We're not getting Love

[Irish Stew]

We are in fact getting Love as long as the Wolves management is capable of making rational decisions. The only deal that is threatening to what we are capable of offering would be a deal involving Harden and Houston will not do this because, as others have stated, this is just a lateral move (exchanging one all-star for another). Houston wants to add either Melo or Love without damaging their core by shedding the Asik and Lin contracts without taking money back. Ainge has to understand that the second worst mistake he can make is to offer too many assets. The worst mistake would be to lowball them and have the Wolves hesitate on a deal until after the draft when we would lose our advantage over other teams.

[LarBrd33]

We are in fact getting Love as long as the Wolves management is capable of making rational decisions. The only deal that is threatening to what we are capable of offering would be a deal involving Harden and Houston will not do this because, as others have stated, this is just a lateral move (exchanging one all-star for another). Houston wants to add either Melo or Love without damaging their core by shedding the Asik and Lin contracts without taking money back. Ainge has to understand that the second worst mistake he can make is to offer too many assets. The worst mistake would be to lowball them and have the Wolves hesitate on a deal until after the draft when we would lose our advantage over other teams.

We might get Love.  Maybe.  Lots of teams can say that, though.  I wouldn't count on it.

[BballTim]

I just want people to stop pretending Sully is some great trade chip.   I don't give a crap what his contract is.  He just isn't coveted.    It's going to be about how many of these first rounders Danny will part with that will make this a possibility.

I'm curious as to how you're familiar with how Sully's value is rated around the NBA.

I think sully is a nice young player, but he has a less trade value than Terrence jones right now. That should give you an idea of how coveted he is. If you think Terrence jones could be the centerpiece of a Kevin love trade, then that's just more evidence that Boston has significant competition for a love trade.  I think boston fans try to hard to relate sully to big al...  Sully doesn't have that level of trade value.  People forget that big al looked like a lock to make all-star teams and average 20 and 10. He had arguably the best post moves in the league and people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard.  On the flip side, Sully might not even he a long-term starter.  Kelly olynk arguably has a brighter future.

   I think the "people were questioning if his future was brighter than Dwight Howard" part says a lot about how much stock you should put in those opinions. If you were on celticsblog in 2007 you'd have seen tons of posts after the lottery that our only possible course of action was to blow it up because we didn't have great players or any desirable assets. Two months later we had Ray and KG on the roster.

There were plenty of fans angry that we traded #5 for Ray.  I was outraged.  Consensus was that it was a horrible panic move to sell tickets.  It only made sense in conjunction with the KG trade. 

There were plenty of fans upset about trading Big Al for KG.  I had to reluctantly accept it, but I wasn't thrilled about losing Big Al... who we expected in about 5 years was going to be better than KG.  Still, we had a window.  A glorious tiny window.  We expected 3 years... it lasted 3.5.

I was here in 2007.  Were you?  In 2007, Big Al's ceiling appeared sky high. There was a perception that he was going to be a 20 and 10 player... a dominant post player who made multiple all-star teams.   But we were trading for KG who at the time was Statistically the #1 player on the planet (later lost the title to LeBron when his stats dipped a bit).  In retrospect, Al's career has been mildly disappointing... but he's still a 20/10 all-star level player that we expected him to be.   But when you can land Top 3 superstar for a potential all-star, you probably gotta do it.

There isn't a consensus that Sully is even our long-term starting PF... let alone a future all-star dominant post presence.  He doesn't have the same trade value.

  When Ray Allen was traded here I thought that the team would be one of the better teams in the East, regularly advancing in the playoffs with a starting 5 of Rondo/Ray/PP/Al/Perk and at least a fringe contender. Since you were here then you'll no doubt remember that not only was that wildly above typical expectations, it was higher than the consensus for how well the team was going to do after we'd completed the KG trade. The consensus was that Rondo would never be an all-star player, that the 2010 team had no chance whatsoever of making any noise in the playoffs, that Bradley would never be a rotation-level player in the nba, or that Tony Allen shouldn't have gone to Memphis because he'd never have a bigger role there than he did here. And that's off the top of my head. The consensus means nothing. It never has, it never will. It doesn't have any more effect on Sully's future than it did on Avery's.

[CelticG1]

I have a question about how much the Wolves think they can suck out of any team.

Isnt it pretty much a forgone conclusion that Love will not sign an extension with any team?

Why is a team like the Celtics going to give up several firat round and lottery picks alomg with a couple decent to legit 20 year old prospects for a guy who could leave in a year? Didnt Dwight Howard just do this to the lakers?

I get that the Wolves have some leverage but they could just as easily get screwed with Love leaving for nothing.

The latest idea i heard was both boston picks this year a future boston 1st, Sully, Olynk, Bass and some garbage.

Im sorry thats absurd for Love. Id rather just scale back and get Horford or some other comparable guy who doesnt have inflated value.

[Irish Stew]

I think that people are getting confused by the leverage issue when it comes to the Wolves. The reason that it will require numerous high quality draft assets from us to get Love is not the leverage the Wolves have but is purely a function of a bidding war between teams Love would be comfortable with. The Wolves already know that Love will soon be gone.

[Smokeeye123]

If Im the Wolves the only offers Id take seriously is one comprised of young players/high picks.

From that perspective teams like GS, CHI, HOU are all out. Why trade your horse for pony level players? Trade your horse for picks that could later turn into another horse. Minnesota is going to have to rebuild and the best way to speed that up is trading with the Suns/Celtics or another team that could give you young players and high draft picks.

[Tr1boy]

Whats funny is some celts fans want love so much they believe the offer celts can make is a good deal

If ur the wolves gm and u were a big wolves fan u  would think otherwise.  I conisder lee and thompson plus a future 1st type offer 1st

[McHales Pits]

Whats funny is some celts fans want love so much they believe the offer celts can make is a good deal

If ur the wolves gm and u were a big wolves fan u  would think otherwise.  I conisder lee and thompson plus a future 1st type offer 1st

Why? If the Love/Pekovic combo didn't work, imagine the train wreck of Lee and Pekovic. No defense and no spacing. Add in that he is highly paid and on the wrong side of 30. Thompson and a late first round pick aren't that valuable considering that Thompson is due an extension soon, too - and who knows if he will want to resign there.

If they take our offer, they get a player who offers 65% of Love's production with similar playing style with two more cost controlled years, two picks in this year's draft (one lottery) and four years minimum of control, plus money savings. If you are the Wolves' owner/GM and you are trading your best player and rebuilding, which sounds better? Expensive players and a bad pick or cost controlled players, non guaranteed contracts and high picks?

[BballTim]

Whats funny is some celts fans want love so much they believe the offer celts can make is a good deal

  Almost as funny as your thinking you're more of an authority on the subject than anyone else.

If ur the wolves gm and u were a big wolves fan u  would think otherwise.  I conisder lee and thompson plus a future 1st type offer 1st

   Maybe the GM isn't as short-sighted as that. You get a couple of decent players, neither of which are stars, but they'll probably make you good enough that you don't get a high draft pick in the next couple of years. Get Sully and the 6th pick plus a couple of other picks, plus have high draft picks for the next couple of years while all your youth develops and you're in a much better position.

[Monkhouse]

Whats funny is some celts fans want love so much they believe the offer celts can make is a good deal

If ur the wolves gm and u were a big wolves fan u  would think otherwise.  I conisder lee and thompson plus a future 1st type offer 1st

What's funny is your constant stance on trading Rondo, our only star, and best player for scrap heaps.

[Smokeeye123]

Whats funny is some celts fans want love so much they believe the offer celts can make is a good deal

If ur the wolves gm and u were a big wolves fan u  would think otherwise.  I conisder lee and thompson plus a future 1st type offer 1st

Over at the realgm timberwolves forum there are literally 25+ pages of Wolves fans saying the Celtics trade is probably the best or at least giving it strong consideration....so....yeah

[MBunge]

We are in fact getting Love as long as the Wolves management is capable of making rational decisions. The only deal that is threatening to what we are capable of offering would be a deal involving Harden and Houston will not do this because, as others have stated, this is just a lateral move (exchanging one all-star for another). Houston wants to add either Melo or Love without damaging their core by shedding the Asik and Lin contracts without taking money back. Ainge has to understand that the second worst mistake he can make is to offer too many assets. The worst mistake would be to lowball them and have the Wolves hesitate on a deal until after the draft when we would lose our advantage over other teams.

We might get Love.  Maybe.  Lots of teams can say that, though.  I wouldn't count on it.

I don't think I'd put Boston in the lead but there really aren't that many teams in the running.  A lot of teams, like the Lakers, don't have ANYTHING Minnesota might want or have no reason for wanting to make a mega-trade for Love, like Portland.

Mike

[loco_91]

Here is what was said regarding Houston:

Houston Rockets

Trade bait: James Harden, Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin, Terrence Jones, Troy Daniels

Pitch: Houston will sell the Wolves on Harden being the only All-NBA player dangled in an offer, along with an elite defensive big in Asik and any other selection from the end of the roster. Like Golden State, the Rockets' strength is they can give up proven talent to help Minnesota win in the present. Unlike Golden State, Houston can throw in a combination of first-rounders moving forward. In this scenario, Love plays alongside a dominant defensive big in Howard and plays for the man who drafted and coached him in Kevin McHale.

I would also add the fact there are no state taxes in Texas, big bump in money made. Houston has the ways and means to make it happen.

Is there evidence that the Rockets are willing to trade Harden? If they are, then they will likely outbid us, but if I were them I'd be looking more aggressively for a deal to free up cap space and sign Melo. Harden for Love is a sideways move if they also have to give up additional talent.

[gpap]

I'll admit, the more I see the title of this thread, the more irritated I get.

Think in a minute I am going to start a thread to balance this out titled:

"Celts are getting Love, Melo, Aldridge, Lebron, Durant, Harden, Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Marc Gasol and Anthony Davis as a consolation prize."

[Greenback]

Trade Rondo, add the number 6 draft pick and filler - that should get Love

Come on, let's get ready for the Summer of Love!