We're not getting Love

[Monkhouse]

Golden State makes the most sense

Only if Minnesota thinks it can build around Lee + some combination of Harrison/Thompson and is okay with not getting draft picks.

I think that'd be a very strange deal to take, unless they think that they can try and make a playoff run around that team which is pretty nuts.

I heard Magic may be thinking of joining in on a 3 way, but I don't see how that helps the Wolves as the Magic isn't giving up any serious picks... The 3 way trade supposedly gives GSW Arron Affalo, but what does the Wolves get in return? Barnes, Lee, Thompson, a draft pick is a pretty good deal imo. I would take that if I'm Saunders. Even if I think Thompson is one of the most overrated shooting guards in the league.

That sounds like a fan made three-team trade to make things work. What in the world is left to give to the Magic for Affalo? Are the Wolves shipping out Pekovic or Rubio?

I'm not high on that trade offer simply because Klay is due for an extension and you can zero cap flexibility till Lee/Martin's deals are done for a team that won't sniff the playoffs.

Minnesota needs at least 2 of 3 things in a Love deal:

1. Talent
2. Cap flexibility
3. Draft picks

GSW deal only offers one of those things, and due to Thompson's deal coming up costs them the second.

I agree.

We have talent in Sully, we can provide plenty of cap flexibilty, and unlimited source of draft picks.

The real question is the Wolves looking to re-tool, or blow it up?

Whatever decision or road they decide to take, would shape their future decisions.

[gpap]

Please everyone just stop. We do not have the assets and the team that would be left if we did steal him from the Wolves would not win a thing, putting Love right back where he was, just further east. Here is a rather astute take from ESPN writer Amin Elhassan


Boston Celtics

Trade bait: Jared Sullinger, Brandon Bass, Joel Anthony, Keith Bogans, picks

Pitch: The Celtics have a wealth of future picks from Brooklyn as well as an unprotected 2015 first-rounder from the Clippers and a protected 2015 first-rounder from Philly. Plus, the C's can offer some mildly interesting young talents like Sullinger, expiring deals in Bass and Anthony and Bogans' nonguaranteed $5.3 million deal. Love would play with Rajon Rondo in the East. But the offer to Minnesota and the prospects for Love pale in comparison to potential deals from other suitors.

There you have it. He rightly lists the Bulls, Warriors and Rockets as the teams who could honestly get him. Teams that have better talent to win now and a better perceived future. I am fairly convinced Love goes to Houston. It is warm, he admires McHale, the guy who picked him and groomed him along with the fact there are no state taxes in Houston.

Either way, In Chicago, Golden State or Houston, those teams have the ability to give Minnesota plenty of talent and picks while remaining title contenders right away. We do not. If we trade the house for Love, we would have nothing else to get the third star needed to beat any title contender.

Says who? Some random writer for ESPN?

Admittedly, I am starting to get a bit peeved at the notion of "oh the Celts won't be good enough if they get Love."

Newsflash...yes they will!

If the TWolves were in the East, they'd be a playoff contender.

Not to mention, I guarantee if the Celts get Love, another big name or semi-big name will follow him to Boston (see 2007.)

Factor in, the Celts have the draft picks to make this work.

Houston, Golden State and Chicago do NOT have the draft picks to get Love.
Other than that, who does each team have to offer?

The Warriors could offer David Lee and Harrison Barnes but guess what, Lee only has 1-2 years left on his deal? How does that benefit Minny. Also GSW has gone on record saying they will not deal Klay Thompson.

Chicago could offer some package of Gibson, Butler and Boozer's expiring. Again, Boozer is expiring, Butler only has 1 year left on his deal and Gibson is hardly the player that Love is.

Now, let's go to Houston. If Houston isn't offering James Harden, then there's NOTHING on that team that should entice Minny to deal Love. Asik? Lin? Parsons? All of which by the way are on expiring deals.

And finally, if the Celts don't get Love, would you rather see them be really bad and (here comes my favorite line) "develop young potential" over the next 3-5 years?

I sure don't. If the Celts go this route, and they'll be lucky if there are more than 100 fans going to games in the TD Garden.

[gpap]

Please everyone just stop. We do not have the assets and the team that would be left if we did steal him from the Wolves would not win a thing, putting Love right back where he was, just further east. Here is a rather astute take from ESPN writer Amin Elhassan


Boston Celtics

Trade bait: Jared Sullinger, Brandon Bass, Joel Anthony, Keith Bogans, picks

Pitch: The Celtics have a wealth of future picks from Brooklyn as well as an unprotected 2015 first-rounder from the Clippers and a protected 2015 first-rounder from Philly. Plus, the C's can offer some mildly interesting young talents like Sullinger, expiring deals in Bass and Anthony and Bogans' nonguaranteed $5.3 million deal. Love would play with Rajon Rondo in the East. But the offer to Minnesota and the prospects for Love pale in comparison to potential deals from other suitors.

There you have it. He rightly lists the Bulls, Warriors and Rockets as the teams who could honestly get him. Teams that have better talent to win now and a better perceived future. I am fairly convinced Love goes to Houston. It is warm, he admires McHale, the guy who picked him and groomed him along with the fact there are no state taxes in Houston.

Either way, In Chicago, Golden State or Houston, those teams have the ability to give Minnesota plenty of talent and picks while remaining title contenders right away. We do not. If we trade the house for Love, we would have nothing else to get the third star needed to beat any title contender.

Completely agree, Thank You

And I completely disagree

[BleedGreen1989]

Stop with all of your logic Faf.

You're making too much sense for some people.

[Fafnir]

What does Houston have that would interest the Wolves other than James Harden?

Parsons and Terrence Jones aren't getting it done, not without draft considerations that Houston doesn't have to give.

They can give picks, plus Jones is really quite good. Better than Sully right now. Granted he has been healthy and Sully has not in the grand scheme of things.

Also Love can dictate where he wants to go. If he says, Houston or nowhere cause I won't sign, they are stuck. He controls the cards. Love, Parsons and Howard would be a terrifying team even in the loaded west.

Jones is a role player prospect at this point, just like Sullinger. Do you think the Wolves would accept Sullinger, the Clippers pick and a top 20 protected pick? Because that's Jones + 2 of houston's picks basically.

[Monkhouse]

The thing people gotta take into account that serves as a huge advantage is that Sullinger has a team option for 2 years.

[CoachBo]

Please everyone just stop. We do not have the assets and the team that would be left if we did steal him from the Wolves would not win a thing, putting Love right back where he was, just further east. Here is a rather astute take from ESPN writer Amin Elhassan


Boston Celtics

Trade bait: Jared Sullinger, Brandon Bass, Joel Anthony, Keith Bogans, picks

Pitch: The Celtics have a wealth of future picks from Brooklyn as well as an unprotected 2015 first-rounder from the Clippers and a protected 2015 first-rounder from Philly. Plus, the C's can offer some mildly interesting young talents like Sullinger, expiring deals in Bass and Anthony and Bogans' nonguaranteed $5.3 million deal. Love would play with Rajon Rondo in the East. But the offer to Minnesota and the prospects for Love pale in comparison to potential deals from other suitors.

There you have it. He rightly lists the Bulls, Warriors and Rockets as the teams who could honestly get him. Teams that have better talent to win now and a better perceived future. I am fairly convinced Love goes to Houston. It is warm, he admires McHale, the guy who picked him and groomed him along with the fact there are no state taxes in Houston.

Either way, In Chicago, Golden State or Houston, those teams have the ability to give Minnesota plenty of talent and picks while remaining title contenders right away. We do not. If we trade the house for Love, we would have nothing else to get the third star needed to beat any title contender.

You hope, you mean.

There's decades - decades - of work available to communications academics on this subject: How people refuse to believe anything that doesn't validate what they personally want or believe.

[Fafnir]

The real question is the Wolves looking to re-tool, or blow it up?

Whatever decision or road they decide to take, would shape their future decisions.

Yeah, do they try and do what the NOH did in the CP3 trade and try to win. The potential GSW trade seems very much like that Lakers trade for Odom/Scola/Martin going to New Orleans. Which just goes to show they could do it even if I think its pretty dumb move.

[gpap]

The thing people gotta take into account that serves as a huge advantage is that Sullinger has a team option for 2 years.

Exactly. If Minnesota is looking to compete right now WITHOUT and by TRADING Kevin Love, then they're going to be sadly disappointed.

Unless someone like the Clippers offers Blake straight up for Love, then the Wolves WILL NOT get equal value for Kevin Love to help them compete for the present.

If they deal Love, their only realistic option is to acquire young talent under long term deals (not players who will bolt Minny once they become free agents next summer), draft picks and expiring contracts.

The Celts have all 3.

[CoachBo]

The thing people gotta take into account that serves as a huge advantage is that Sullinger has a team option for 2 years.

Exactly. If Minnesota is looking to compete right now WITHOUT and by TRADING Kevin Love, then they're going to be sadly disappointed.

Unless someone like the Clippers offers Blake straight up for Love, then the Wolves WILL NOT get equal value for Kevin Love to help them compete for the present.

If they deal Love, they're only realistic option is to acquire young talent under long term deals (not players who will bolt Minny once they become free agents next summer), draft picks and expiring contracts.

The Celts have all 3.

Last time I checked, Kahn is gone in Minny.

And it would take a clueless GM like him to fall for any offer of moderately-talented veterans from Golden State.

Good post. Perhaps someday I'll understand why people are so desperate to embark on a decade-long draft-oriented rebuild while the franchise's tradition, attendance and cache crumble under the weight of the mistakes we all know Ainge would make in said draft.

Today, I don't. And I don't see that understanding coming anytime soon. And I don't believe - for a minute - that Grousbeck, Ainge and Stevens have any more interest in playing Draft-O-Rama than I do.

These owners want to rebuild quickly on the fly. Their public comments are clear. We're not going back to 2005 and an endless collection of scrubs wandering through the green uniform into the Garden.

Whether something major happens this summer, I don't know. But I do know that they're going to try to make Love happen. Their public comments, as illustrated in other posts, are clear as are the depth of the assets - actual assets, not Al Jefferson, one lottery pick and Name That Scrub - the Celtics have to offer.

The declarative nonsense of one obscure - and ill-informed - ESPN hack notwithstanding.

[D.o.s.]

The thing people gotta take into account that serves as a huge advantage is that Sullinger has a team option for 2 years.

Exactly. If Minnesota is looking to compete right now WITHOUT and by TRADING Kevin Love, then they're going to be sadly disappointed.

Unless someone like the Clippers offers Blake straight up for Love, then the Wolves WILL NOT get equal value for Kevin Love to help them compete for the present.

If they deal Love, they're only realistic option is to acquire young talent under long term deals (not players who will bolt Minny once they become free agents next summer), draft picks and expiring contracts.

The Celts have all 3.

Last time I checked, Kahn is gone in Minny.

And it would take a clueless GM like him to fall for any offer of moderately-talented veterans from Golden State.

Good post. Perhaps someday I'll understand why people are so desperate to embark on a decade-long draft-oriented rebuild while the franchise's tradition, attendance and cache crumble under the weight of the mistakes we all know Ainge would make in said draft.

Today, I don't. And I don't see that understanding coming anytime soon. And I don't believe - for a minute - that Grousbeck, Ainge and Stevens have any more interest in playing Draft-O-Rama than I do.

There's decades - decades - of work available to communications academics on this subject: How people refuse to believe anything that doesn't validate what they personally want or believe.

 

Although I agree with you -- I think this season was a one-off in order to possibly find the next Duncan/LeBron/Insert Face of Franchise here. Ainge isn't going to make this a pattern going forward if there are any more immediate options available.

I don't think this year's pick is necessarily going to get traded, though.

[BleedGreen1989]

Literally the only offers we couldn't trump would be if PHI or CLE offered up their top-3 pick, which is extremely unlikely to me.

[gpap]

The thing people gotta take into account that serves as a huge advantage is that Sullinger has a team option for 2 years.

Exactly. If Minnesota is looking to compete right now WITHOUT and by TRADING Kevin Love, then they're going to be sadly disappointed.

Unless someone like the Clippers offers Blake straight up for Love, then the Wolves WILL NOT get equal value for Kevin Love to help them compete for the present.

If they deal Love, they're only realistic option is to acquire young talent under long term deals (not players who will bolt Minny once they become free agents next summer), draft picks and expiring contracts.

The Celts have all 3.

Last time I checked, Kahn is gone in Minny.

And it would take a clueless GM like him to fall for any offer of moderately-talented veterans from Golden State.

Good post. Perhaps someday I'll understand why people are so desperate to embark on a decade-long draft-oriented rebuild while the franchise's tradition, attendance and cache crumble under the weight of the mistakes we all know Ainge would make in said draft.

Today, I don't. And I don't see that understanding coming anytime soon. And I don't believe - for a minute - that Grousbeck, Ainge and Stevens have any more interest in playing Draft-O-Rama than I do.

I don't know. The Celts going 5-77 for the next 10 years, being featured in the Boston Globe sports section after the Boston College women's golf team and not being a winning team again until Barack Obama's great grandson is elected president sounds awfully tempting

[MBunge]

Either way, In Chicago, Golden State or Houston, those teams have the ability to give Minnesota plenty of talent and picks while remaining title contenders right away. We do not. If we trade the house for Love, we would have nothing else to get the third star needed to beat any title contender.

I believe Boston could give both of our first rounders this year and 1 or 2 future firsts.  None of those other three teams can even come close to matching that, given that it includes #'s 6 and 17 in a loaded draft.  Houston is also NOT trading Harden for Love.  Chicago is also going to offer up, what?  Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with a couple of 1st rounders that will very likely be in the mid to upper 20s?  I think what Boston can offer easily outdistances those deals.

Now, if Golden State is willing to give Thompson, Lee and Barnes, I'm not sure Boston can beat that.  That kind of talent infusion would prevent Minny from launching YET ANOTHER rebuild and provide tangible assets for future deals.

Mike

[gpap]

Either way, In Chicago, Golden State or Houston, those teams have the ability to give Minnesota plenty of talent and picks while remaining title contenders right away. We do not. If we trade the house for Love, we would have nothing else to get the third star needed to beat any title contender.

I believe Boston could give both of our first rounders this year and 1 or 2 future firsts.  None of those other three teams can even come close to matching that, given that it includes #'s 6 and 17 in a loaded draft.  Houston is also NOT trading Harden for Love.  Chicago is also going to offer up, what?  Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson along with a couple of 1st rounders that will very likely be in the mid to upper 20s?  I think what Boston can offer easily outdistances those deals.

Now, if Golden State is willing to give Thompson, Lee and Barnes, I'm not sure Boston can beat that.  That kind of talent infusion would prevent Minny from launching YET ANOTHER rebuild and provide tangible assets for future deals.

Mike

But again, all 3 of those guys (if I am not mistaken) will be free agents either next year or the year after.

Also, highly doubt any of them woud want to resign in Minnesota.

So essentially, the Wolves would've dealt Love for three 1-2 year rentals from Golden State, not to mention both teams are in the West.