So Wyc Grousbeck and Danny Ainge pretty much confirmed we're getting Kevin Love

[D.o.s.]

David Lee gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

[mgent]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

[CoachBo]

Well said, and a TP for injecting some sanity into the "Sully and Kelly to the HOF" discussion here.

  Add sanity to an imaginary discussion. Too Funny.

Really?

Then how do you explain the existence of this thread?

Once again, you drift off point into personal attacks. Thought there were rules here against that.

[D.o.s.]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

[mgent]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

[Fafnir]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

They were a top 5 defense, defense wasn't the Warriors problem.

[mgent]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

They were a top 5 defense, defense wasn't the Warriors problem.

So obviously the gaping hole that is David Lee didn't hurt them much at all.

[BballTim]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

They were a top 5 defense, defense wasn't the Warriors problem.

So obviously the gaping hole that is David Lee didn't hurt them much at all.

  A healthy Bogut is a very good defender, and Iggy's one of the best.

[mgent]

All I was saying is their defense is close enough to call it a wash Faf, not that the Warriors need a better defense or that it was a problem.

[Fafnir]

All I was saying is their defense is close enough to call it a wash Faf, not that the Warriors need a better defense or that it was a problem.

I don't think its a wash myself, but either way the fact that Love is a much better rebounder and offensive player would be huge for the Warriors.

David Lee consistently for his career has hurt his team on the glass despite "getting his", similar to Javale McGee. Love's teams when he's on the court is basically a lock for the rebounding advantage.

Additionally spacing from a PF to the 3 point line is a lot more valuable than Lee's range. Love also draws more fouls and turns it over less.

[mgent]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

They were a top 5 defense, defense wasn't the Warriors problem.

So obviously the gaping hole that is David Lee didn't hurt them much at all.

  A healthy Bogut is a very good defender, and Iggy's one of the best.

No disagreement here.  Iggy will do a better job than most defending any of the 5 positions.

You guys do understand I'm not arguing Lee vs Love?  I'm saying it's ridiculous to give up that much value just to swap Lee for Love.  And trying to use Love's defense as an argument is pretty equally ridiculous.

[Roy H.]

All I was saying is their defense is close enough to call it a wash Faf, not that the Warriors need a better defense or that it was a problem.

I don't think its a wash myself, but either way the fact that Love is a much better rebounder and offensive player would be huge for the Warriors.

David Lee consistently for his career has hurt his team on the glass despite "getting his", similar to Javale McGee. Love's teams when he's on the court is basically a lock for the rebounding advantage.

Additionally spacing from a PF to the 3 point line is a lot more valuable than Lee's range. Love also draws more fouls and turns it over less.

Are Love's advantages over Lee (which also include superior passing) enough to off-set the loss of Thompson, a versatile two-way player who also stretches the floor?

[Fafnir]

Love is probably worth another 6-7 wins per year at the very least, and he's 5 years younger.

That's a pretty big reason to swap the two.

[Fafnir]

All I was saying is their defense is close enough to call it a wash Faf, not that the Warriors need a better defense or that it was a problem.

I don't think its a wash myself, but either way the fact that Love is a much better rebounder and offensive player would be huge for the Warriors.

David Lee consistently for his career has hurt his team on the glass despite "getting his", similar to Javale McGee. Love's teams when he's on the court is basically a lock for the rebounding advantage.

Additionally spacing from a PF to the 3 point line is a lot more valuable than Lee's range. Love also draws more fouls and turns it over less.

Are Love's advantages over Lee (which also include superior passing) enough to off-set the loss of Thompson, a versatile two-way player who also stretches the floor?

I think so, easily.

Klay Thompson is a solid player, but he's not a great offensive player despite his excellent shooting nor is he a great defender. He can defend 1-3, but he's no elite at it and they already have Iggy.

If they can keep Barnes they already have a replacement at the wing. Plus the Warriors are at their best with a 4 who can shoot 3s. That's been true for the past two years, and Love fits that need perfectly. Gives them more flexibility at the SG/SF position.

[D.o.s.]

Kevin Love gives up almost as much as he provides with his abysmal defense. Total one-way player.

I'm pretty sure I've got one of the lowest opinions of Kevin Love on CB, but he's a significantly better defender than David Lee.

Roll that one around for a minute. David Lee's defense is baaaaaaad. You know that Harden Supercut, 'Defensive Juggernaut?' You could do one of Lee just as easily.

I understand how bad Lee is.  If you want to call Love a slightly better defender go ahead, but I don't agree with SIGNIFICANTLY better.  I don't see any argument there (other than a weak, semantic one).  Replace Lee with Love last year and you're not going to get a better defense from GS.

They were a top 5 defense, defense wasn't the Warriors problem.

So obviously the gaping hole that is David Lee didn't hurt them much at all.

  A healthy Bogut is a very good defender, and Iggy's one of the best.

No disagreement here.  Iggy will do a better job than most defending any of the 5 positions.

You guys do understand I'm not arguing Lee vs Love?  I'm saying it's ridiculous to give up that much value just to swap Lee for Love. And trying to use Love's defense as an argument is pretty equally ridiculous.

I agree with that, actually.