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Offline PhoSita

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You were hoping that the Celtics would move up into the top 3 and get a rookie with real star talent, a player who could immediately put up good numbers and help improve the team.

Or maybe you just don't believe much in building through youth, and you want established players instead. 

That's understandable. 


Well, ask yourself this:

1. Why exactly are you disappointed with the #6? 

Is it because you think the value of players in that range is much lower than at the top of the draft?  Is it because you think anybody the Celtics take there will be at least a few years away from making a major impact?

2. Why exactly do you think other teams will view the value of that pick differently?  Why do the things that bother you about using that pick not apply to potential trade partners?


Given those things, do you still think the return for #6 is likely to be so great?

If you're hoping for the Celtics to move down in the draft, why do you think other teams would give up value to move up into a spot you're not excited about yourself? 

If you're hoping the Celtics trade for an established guy, are you okay with just getting a decent but not great player, so long as it's somebody who can produce now? 

Or, instead, are you willing to leverage the lion's share of the Celtics assets to acquire a player who is very good, but might leave in a year's time, or who has some other serious flaw or weakness in his game?



A lot of quick, emotional reactions to the lottery last night.  Not necessarily so much careful thought about the situation. 

It's all good and well to say, "Forget it, I don't want some raw 18 year old, trade the pick for immediate help!" or "Trade for Kevin Love and let's go back to being a contender!" 

But then real life gets in the way.  Turns out other teams want to get better, too.
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People don't want to go through another losing season and feel that the prospects are just not good. It's somewhat understandable that they want to trade the pick for immediate help.

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Honestly there are plenty of exciting prospects in this draft even at #6. Players like Gordon, Vonleh, Saric, and Randle all have all-star potential, arguably just as much as Wiggins or Parker do.

The problem is that they're all power forwards and we already have two young prospects in that spot. That's what makes it a bummer.


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I think Saric and Gordon are good enough to play the 3......

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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 03:53:08 PM »

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People don't want to go through another losing season and feel that the prospects are just not good. It's somewhat understandable that they want to trade the pick for immediate help.

It's totally understandable. 



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Partly it's the "Give me my one marshmallow now!" thing.  Partly it's a basic aversion to having to go through another season like the one we just endured.  Part of it, I think, is also a fear that the Celtics are going to fall into another protracted mire of a rebuilding process as was the case in the 90s and much of the 2000s, and the desire to get back to watching the good stuff right away.


But rebuilds take time.  It would have been wonderful for the lottery to provide hope for a quick fix, and I'd be thrilled to get a talent like Kevin Love this summer and make another move or two to improve the team quickly.  A redux of the summer of 2007 after just one rebuilding season would be wonderful.  Chances are that won't happen though, and that's okay. 

I think there's value in the journey.  We all want the Celtics at the top of the league again.  But the best way to get there is probably going to require patience, and the ability to appreciate the process of building a team.  Not quick fixes.
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Because Embiid is the only guy from this draft I wanted. 

Re: Disappointed with #6 and want to trade it? Ask yourself this.
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Odds are someone outside the top 4 (embiid, exum, parker, wiggins) will turn into an allstar. We just have to make sure we hit on one of them.

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I'm disappointed because Cleveland won the Lottery with a 1% chance.

I don't mind the #6, it was disappointing in a sense that I put an expectation that we will have a top 5 pick, but happy with the result as that's where we are projected to begin with.

But for the Cavs to win it, that made me kill those Gummi Bears.
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Because Embiid is the only guy from this draft I wanted.

- Embiid was at my top level
- Then came Wiggins, Parker and Exum together
- Vonleh is next for me after that.

I think there's a chance that Randle and/or Smart slip up in there ahead of Vonleh so that he's still available at 6.

But if that doesn't happen, I see the next 6-10 players on a pretty even plateau. I'm kind of curious as to what Utah will do if they stay at 5, because I'm not convinced they'll take a big man there.

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I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.
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Offline WeMadeIt17

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I wanted to see Boston get Wiggins or Paker. Now at 6. Trade it. Try you're best to get Love and another few pieces and start competing for the next 5-7 years.

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I see Danny getting Love, Embiid, or Parker.  I think Exum sneaks into the top 3, making Parker or Embiid fall to 4 and Danny trades 6 and 17 to Orlando for 4.  Orlando gets Marcus Smart at 6 and either trades 12 and 17 to get another top 10 pick, or holds both and starts filling holes on that swiss cheese of a team.

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I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

I'm not really concerned about Ainge picking a Giddens or Melo at #6. 

I'd take Love over any of the players at that spot, if there really is a deal for him that makes sense, and the Celtics have reason to believe they can get him to stay.  I'd be pretty anxious about trading the #6 and a bunch of other assets for one year of Kevin Love and the hope that he'll re-sign here once he explores free agency.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with getting number 6 and number 17 in this draft.  I'm excited to see what Danny does this off-season.  I'm expecting a more competitive squad for the 2014-2015 season.

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I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

Yeah, not really worried about Ainge taking a bust with the #6 pick in a loaded draft.

Those other three were guys picked after #20 in pretty weak drafts.
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