Disappointed with #6 and want to trade it? Ask yourself this.

[D.o.s.]

If you can't turn your luck around with a player like Love then guess what, no one is going to turn the team around.

[HomerSapien]

Here's where I'm at --

This team lacks high end talent.  Desperately.  Rondo is the only one who's close, in my opinion, and he's one season away from free agency, he's almost 30, and he's still recovering from a major knee injury.

So I'll take any kind of high talent, regardless of positional fit.

Even so, I think there are players who could fit on this team right away, though maybe not in featured roles. 

Smart could get significant minutes as a combo guard, off the bench or replacing Bradley in the starting lineup.  Gordon could get minutes at the 3 and the 4 as a defensive specialist and hustle guy.  Vonleh can play center in today's league, and I think he'd fit next to either of our young bigs.  Saric could start out as a sixth man on the wing and eventually take over Jeff Green's spot as a starter with playmaking ability in addition to shooting and rebounding.

The only player in that range who I think would really not have a clear spot on the team is Randle.  He's too similar to Sullinger and I think he'd be a disaster defensively next to either Sullinger or Olynyk.

None of the guys in range of the #6 is going to be ready to play big minutes and have a featured role yet, anyway.  So it's okay that they'd begin by coming off the bench and playing smaller minutes. 

This sums up my feelings perfectly.  I was initially disappointed about the C's not winning the lottery, but quickly brightened up when I reset my thoughts on the opinion I held all-season - the C's are lacking enough good, young talent to build with. 

As long as we can find a passable 7 foot tall guy somewhere via trade or free agency to start at Center next year I am confident that the 2 players the C's add in this years draft will help progress the team along significantly in the direction we are looking to head.

Also, if a  trade similar too Sully, #6, and one more 1st for Kevin Love (with some level of confidence he re-signs) is available I'd be all for it.  25-year old 3 time all-stars don't grow on trees, and while Love wouldn't be the final answer, he'd be a great chip to have in our stack.

[BballTim]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

  Are those the only draft picks Danny's made that you're familiar with? Because if you take a look at all of his draft picks he's a better than average drafter. I'd rather trade the pick for Love a well, but it's not because Danny's had a few misses late in the first round over the years.

[gpap]

If you can't turn your luck around with a player like Love then guess what, no one is going to turn the team around.

Lol, yea that's the league MVP right there.

[djbilly33]

I am sorry but if we draft Saric with the #6 pick, sign Spencer Hawes to a contract, trade for Gordon Hayward, with KO and Hump still on this team I am going to throw up and the riot.  A team of:

Rondo
Hayward
Saric
KO
Hump

is probably the worst thing possible. On top of being a very white, unathletic team, we'd be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.

[knuckleballer]

I am sorry but if we draft Saric with the #6 pick, sign Spencer Hawes to a contract, trade for Gordon Hayward, with KO and Hump still on this team I am going to throw up and the riot.  A team of:

Rondo
Hayward
Saric
KO
Hump

is probably the worst thing possible. On top of being a very white, unathletic team, we'd be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.

I think Rondo would be rioting right along side you.   

[Roy H.]

Saric
KO

Agreed, that would be a nightmare defensively at the 3/4.

I think Saric is getting pretty overrated.  He's been described as a mediocre athlete as a power forward; at small forward, I think he'd have a really rough time in the NBA.

[footey]

Larry Bird was taken with the 6th pick in 1978, so there's always that!!

(and don't bother to point out that Red was able to nab him that late because the rules then permitted teams to draft guys with a year of eligibility in college, and would otherwise had gone at 1 or 2 (after Magic) the next year. We know that!!)

[footey]

Saric
KO

Agreed, that would be a nightmare defensively at the 3/4.

I think Saric is getting pretty overrated.  He's been described as a mediocre athlete as a power forward; at small forward, I think he'd have a really rough time in the NBA.

You may be right. I recently got pretty excited about him, just because I felt he seemed to project into a "go to" scorer in the NBA.  But he does seem challenged defensively. You feel he is getting over-rated offensively as well.  Does this take into account his recent performance at the Euro championship?  I know a small sample size, but does seem to be improving in the right direction.

What is your take on Porzingis with the 17th pick?  Did you review the DE scouting report on him?

[D.o.s.]

Larry Bird was taken with the 6th pick in 1978, so there's always that!!

(and don't bother to point out that Red was able to nab him that late because the rules then permitted teams to draft guys with a year of eligibility in college, and would otherwise had gone at 1 or 2 (after Magic) the next year. We know that!!)

We would be remiss if we didn't point out that Red was able to nab him that late because the rules then permitted teams to draft guys with a year of eligibility in college, and would otherwise had gone at 1 or 2 (after Magic) the next year.

[CoachBo]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

  Are those the only draft picks Danny's made that you're familiar with? Because if you take a look at all of his draft picks he's a better than average drafter. I'd rather trade the pick for Love a well, but it's not because Danny's had a few misses late in the first round over the years.

Remind me again how many all-stars Ainge has drafted.

I'll even spot you the player you obsess about daily. Oops, bought that one.

Here's the list:

2013    1    16    Lucas Nogueira    CB Estudiantes (Spain) Olynik
2012    1    21    Jared Sullinger    Ohio State University
2012    1    22    Fab Melo    Syracuse University
2012    2    51    Kris Joseph    Syracuse University
2011    1    25    MarShon Brooks    Providence College
2011    2    55    E'Twaun Moore    Purdue University
2010    1    19    Avery Bradley    University of Texas at Austin
2010    2    52    Luke Harangody    University of Notre Dame
2009    2    58    Lester Hudson    University of Tennessee at Martin
2008    1    30    J. R. Giddens    University of New Mexico
2008    2    60    Semih Erden    Fenerbah?e ?lker (Turkey)
2007    1    5    Jeff Green    Georgetown University
2007    2    32    Gabe Pruitt    University of Southern California
2006    1    7    Randy Foye    Villanova University
2005    1    18    Gerald Green    Gulf Shores Academy
2005    2    50    Ryan Gomes    Providence College
2005    2    53    Orien Greene    University of Louisiana at Lafayette
2004    1    15    Al Jefferson    Prentiss
2004    1    24    Delonte West    Saint Joseph's University
2004    1    25    Tony Allen    Oklahoma State University
2004    2    40    Justin Reed    University of Mississippi
2003    1    16    Troy Bell    Boston College
2003    1    20    Dahntay Jones    Duke University
2003    2    56    Brandon Hunter    Ohio University
2002    2    49    Darius Songaila    Wake Forest University

Here's a little help for y'all's "evaluator:" "But, but, but ... he's been picking in the bottom half of the first round."

Let's give the list a title: "Name That Scrub." There are what, three picks on that list, that aren't absolutely embarrassing on their face.

Laughing my head off at that list being in the top sixth in the NBA. Absolutely ridiculous conclusion and yet another indictment of the folly of sabremetrics, not to mention the people who cling to them like chunks of wood in the ocean.

Above average? Absolutely hysterical.

My point stands amidst all the hyperbolic exaggeration about Drafter Danny: Trade the pick. I like my chances a lot better there than the collection of flotsam above.

[D.o.s.]

There's an interesting article on how well each franchise has drafted over the last decade, compared to 'the best pick they could've had' here:
http://wagesofwins.com/2014/05/05/what-do-draft-mistakes-cost/

And the Celtics round out to the top 6th in the league. If you don't like math or any kind of analysis beyond the eye test, it's unlikely to do much for you, though.

[knuckleballer]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

  Are those the only draft picks Danny's made that you're familiar with? Because if you take a look at all of his draft picks he's a better than average drafter. I'd rather trade the pick for Love a well, but it's not because Danny's had a few misses late in the first round over the years.

Remind me again how many all-stars Ainge has drafted.

I'll even spot you the player you obsess about daily. Oops, bought that one.

Here's the list:

2013    1    16    Lucas Nogueira    CB Estudiantes (Spain) Olynik
2012    1    21    Jared Sullinger    Ohio State University
2012    1    22    Fab Melo    Syracuse University
2012    2    51    Kris Joseph    Syracuse University
2011    1    25    MarShon Brooks    Providence College
2011    2    55    E'Twaun Moore    Purdue University
2010    1    19    Avery Bradley    University of Texas at Austin
2010    2    52    Luke Harangody    University of Notre Dame
2009    2    58    Lester Hudson    University of Tennessee at Martin
2008    1    30    J. R. Giddens    University of New Mexico
2008    2    60    Semih Erden    Fenerbah?e ?lker (Turkey)
2007    1    5    Jeff Green    Georgetown University
2007    2    32    Gabe Pruitt    University of Southern California
2006    1    7    Randy Foye    Villanova University
2005    1    18    Gerald Green    Gulf Shores Academy
2005    2    50    Ryan Gomes    Providence College
2005    2    53    Orien Greene    University of Louisiana at Lafayette
2004    1    15    Al Jefferson    Prentiss
2004    1    24    Delonte West    Saint Joseph's University
2004    1    25    Tony Allen    Oklahoma State University
2004    2    40    Justin Reed    University of Mississippi
2003    1    16    Troy Bell    Boston College
2003    1    20    Dahntay Jones    Duke University
2003    2    56    Brandon Hunter    Ohio University
2002    2    49    Darius Songaila    Wake Forest University

Here's a little help for y'all's "evaluator:" "But, but, but ... he's been picking in the bottom half of the first round."

Let's give the list a title: "Name That Scrub." There are what, three picks on that list, that aren't absolutely embarrassing on their face.

Laughing my head off at that list being in the top sixth in the NBA. Absolutely ridiculous conclusion and yet another indictment of the folly of sabremetrics, not to mention the people who cling to them like chunks of wood in the ocean.

Above average? Absolutely hysterical.

My point stands amidst all the hyperbolic exaggeration about Drafter Danny: Trade the pick. I like my chances a lot better there than the collection of flotsam above.

You can't ignore draft day trades or drafting position.  Danny had two lottery picks in that list.
He drafted Foye for Portland with a #7 pick and traded him for Telfair which was a failure.  But he also traded for Rondo the #21 pick that same year.  That was a miserable draft.  Rondo was the second best player that year.

He drafted Green for Seattle with a #5 pick, but traded him for Ray Allen. 

He's had his share of hits later in the first round, not home runs but good players: Delonte West, Tony Allen, Bradley, Sullinger.  Big Al was a steal at #15.

Of course he's had his misses, but all teams do.  Overall, I think he's done a very good job.

[Fafnir]

Strange that you put picks that Danny traded and was selecting for another GM on his "record". Means your list is pretty inaccurate.

As for names that aren't embarrassing:

Al Jefferson, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Kendrick Perkins, Marcus Banks, Rajon Rondo, Ryan Gomes, Glen Davis, Leon Powe, and Jared Sullinger.

[Donoghus]

There's an interesting article on how well each franchise has drafted over the last decade, compared to 'the best pick they could've had' here:
http://wagesofwins.com/2014/05/05/what-do-draft-mistakes-cost/

And the Celtics round out to the top 6th in the league. If you don't like math or any kind of analysis beyond the eye test, it's unlikely to do much for you, though.

Well, if it doesn't fit your narrative and transparent biases (which has been abundantly clear the past month or so), you're not gonna use it.