Disappointed with #6 and want to trade it? Ask yourself this.

[BballTim]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

  Are those the only draft picks Danny's made that you're familiar with? Because if you take a look at all of his draft picks he's a better than average drafter. I'd rather trade the pick for Love a well, but it's not because Danny's had a few misses late in the first round over the years.

Remind me again how many all-stars Ainge has drafted.

I'll even spot you the player you obsess about daily. Oops, bought that one.

Here's the list:

2013    1    16    Lucas Nogueira    CB Estudiantes (Spain) Olynik
2012    1    21    Jared Sullinger    Ohio State University
2012    1    22    Fab Melo    Syracuse University
2012    2    51    Kris Joseph    Syracuse University
2011    1    25    MarShon Brooks    Providence College
2011    2    55    E'Twaun Moore    Purdue University
2010    1    19    Avery Bradley    University of Texas at Austin
2010    2    52    Luke Harangody    University of Notre Dame
2009    2    58    Lester Hudson    University of Tennessee at Martin
2008    1    30    J. R. Giddens    University of New Mexico
2008    2    60    Semih Erden    Fenerbah?e ?lker (Turkey)
2007    1    5    Jeff Green    Georgetown University
2007    2    32    Gabe Pruitt    University of Southern California
2006    1    7    Randy Foye    Villanova University
2005    1    18    Gerald Green    Gulf Shores Academy
2005    2    50    Ryan Gomes    Providence College
2005    2    53    Orien Greene    University of Louisiana at Lafayette
2004    1    15    Al Jefferson    Prentiss
2004    1    24    Delonte West    Saint Joseph's University
2004    1    25    Tony Allen    Oklahoma State University
2004    2    40    Justin Reed    University of Mississippi
2003    1    16    Troy Bell    Boston College
2003    1    20    Dahntay Jones    Duke University
2003    2    56    Brandon Hunter    Ohio University
2002    2    49    Darius Songaila    Wake Forest University

Here's a little help for y'all's "evaluator:" "But, but, but ... he's been picking in the bottom half of the first round."

Let's give the list a title: "Name That Scrub." There are what, three picks on that list, that aren't absolutely embarrassing on their face.

Laughing my head off at that list being in the top sixth in the NBA. Absolutely ridiculous conclusion and yet another indictment of the folly of sabremetrics, not to mention the people who cling to them like chunks of wood in the ocean.

Above average? Absolutely hysterical.

   First of all I think it's a little silly to list picks that were traded, those picks were made by the other team.

   But beyond that, as I've mentioned before, the reason you think it's absolutely hysterical and you're laughing your head off is that it's hard to overstate your ignorance of the expected level of play for a given draft position. You want to list all of those 2nd rounders and call the total group flotsam? Go ahead, you're generally correct. But you think you're strengthening your argument that Danny's a bad drafter because you can't get your head around the fact that a large number of players drafted in the same position as them never even played a game in the nba.

  Take old friend Ryan Gomes, for example. Is he flotsam? Yes. But out of the 60 or so players taken at #50 in the history of the nba he's 5th in games played, 2nd in ppg and 4th in rpg. What do you think that says about Danny's drafting? Hint: hysterically bad probably isn't the right answer.

[Monkhouse]

Another thread which says Danny Ainge is terrible at drafting. 

You'd think after drafting Tony Allen, Jefferson, Bradley, Rondo, and a few other players that were highly underrated prospects, the argument to imply Ainge is horrible at drafting would simply die down.

[vinnie]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

+1

[SHAQATTACK]

Man gots to know his limits

Time to trade out Celtics players and picks for some .....for some

Good .. Love.

[PhoSita]

I wanted to see Boston get Wiggins or Paker. Now at 6. Trade it. Try you're best to get Love and another few pieces and start competing for the next 5-7 years.

This sounds nice.  But what if Love makes it known that he won't re-sign here, and kills the deal?  What if some other team offers a deal the T-Wolves like more?

Do the Celtics still look to trade the pick?

I guess I can't help feeling that this "Parker / Wiggins / Embiid or trade the pick" mentality is short-sighted and unrealistic.  It was always a long shot that we'd get one of the former group, and it's always more likely that attempts to put together a blockbuster deal will fail than that they will succeed.

Rebuilding requires discipline, and that means being willing to make the most of what you have to work with.  Chances are, that means selecting a player in that second tier of prospects in this draft and then developing him.

Ask Grousbeck whether his books looked better in 2006 or 2009?

It would appear the answer would disappoint you.

Well, this is entirely beside the points I've been making, but whatever, I'll address it.

My priorities are obviously not the same as the owner's.  It's not my money, and I don't particularly care how much money the Celtics make.

But hey, if Wyc wants to have a moneymaker out there ASAP, then that's going to get in the way of rebuilding the right way.  It hasn't been my sense that Wyc is that sort of owner, but maybe I'm wrong.

[PhoSita]

I'll take my chances with Kevin Love over Ainge picking another Giddens, Johnson or Fab Melo.

Easy dilemma.

Trade the 6.

+1

False dichotomy --

What if Kevin Love isn't available for a package the Celtics are willing to trade?  What if, in order to beat other team's offers, the Celtics need to surrender #6, Sullinger, Olynyk, and multiple other picks?  Is giving up the majority of the assets the Celtics have at the moment worth one guaranteed year of Love?  It must be kept in mind that the Celtics will need to add more talent after acquiring Love in order to return to contender status.

If a Love trade is not on the table, what's the secondary option?  Of course it's an easy dilemma if you're just talking about using the #6 or trading it directly for multiple years of Kevin Love.  But it's far from being that simple.

[BballTim]

I wanted to see Boston get Wiggins or Paker. Now at 6. Trade it. Try you're best to get Love and another few pieces and start competing for the next 5-7 years.

This sounds nice.  But what if Love makes it known that he won't re-sign here, and kills the deal?  What if some other team offers a deal the T-Wolves like more?

Do the Celtics still look to trade the pick?

I guess I can't help feeling that this "Parker / Wiggins / Embiid or trade the pick" mentality is short-sighted and unrealistic.  It was always a long shot that we'd get one of the former group, and it's always more likely that attempts to put together a blockbuster deal will fail than that they will succeed.

Rebuilding requires discipline, and that means being willing to make the most of what you have to work with.  Chances are, that means selecting a player in that second tier of prospects in this draft and then developing him.

Ask Grousbeck whether his books looked better in 2006 or 2009?

It would appear the answer would disappoint you.

Well, this is entirely beside the points I've been making, but whatever, I'll address it.

My priorities are obviously not the same as the owner's.  It's not my money, and I don't particularly care how much money the Celtics make.

But hey, if Wyc wants to have a moneymaker out there ASAP, then that's going to get in the way of rebuilding the right way.  It hasn't been my sense that Wyc is that sort of owner, but maybe I'm wrong.

  Not only that, but make some short-sighted move to get marginally better and we'll be in 2006 all over again.

[MBunge]

The only thing I'll be disappointed with is if the team isn't better next year and keeps losing games by imploding in the 2nd half/4th quarter.  Add a legit center, #6, #17 and end the collapses and this team should definitely compete for the playoffs, which will make every player on the roster look better to other teams, and we'll still have two first picks in 3 of the next 4 drafts.

Mike

[PhoSita]

The only thing I'll be disappointed with is if the team isn't better next year and keeps losing games by imploding in the 2nd half/4th quarter.  Add a legit center, #6, #17 and end the collapses and this team should definitely compete for the playoffs, which will make every player on the roster look better to other teams, and we'll still have two first picks in 3 of the next 4 drafts.

Mike

I think a few simple moves in addition to drafting well at 6 and 17 will definitely improve the team.  At the very least, it'll help the roster make more sense and Stevens will have some better pieces to work with -- pieces that actually fit together somewhat.

That said, I think around here we underestimate a little bit how difficult it is to make the playoffs.  Simply having the talent isn't enough.  You need to have the experience, too.  The Celtics didn't really do much learning how to win games together this season, and the roster is going to be very different next year, so it's like they're starting all over again. 

I'd be pretty surprised if they are seriously competing for the playoffs in the second half of next season, though I think they'll have some competitive stretches that get people excited.

[86MaxwellSmart]

of course the #6 Pick looks like garbage the day after the draft lottery--when we were all hoping/expecting better...
But, Pick #6 is gonna start looking better to all the other teams as the Draft gets closer.

[Rondo9]

I just think that Danny is going to start building some pieces to make the team better this offseason.

[celticmania]

Go athletic.. Go high upside: Zach Lavine and Kristaps Porzingis

[saltlover]

Another thread which says Danny Ainge is terrible at drafting. 

You'd think after drafting Tony Allen, Jefferson, Bradley, Rondo, and a few other players that were highly underrated prospects, the argument to imply Ainge is horrible at drafting would simply die down.

Don't you understand? Ainge can't get credit for Rondo because technically Phoenix picked him, and Danny just was lucky, because of course he agreed to acquire whomever they picked, even if it were a Celticblog poster.  And Tony Allen doesn't count because he left in free agency.  And Avery Bradley doesn't count because he was picked 19th and isn't an All-Star and is really old at 23.  And he picked Jajuan Johnson at the end of the first round when he could have had the amazing Marshon Brooks instead.  We should sign MarShon.  We need scoring.

<end delusional anti-Ainge rant>

[j804]

the amazing Marshon? lol

[saltlover]

the amazing Marshon? lol

Humor was intended with that statement.