Trade for Nerlens Noel

[Humble G]

This would definitely be a draft night deal bc Cleveland could take Embiid first of all. Also Cleveland could trade the pick and that team would take him....both could easily happen.

Also If im philly, I might draft Embiid and keep Noel.....both have great potential but both make you nervous bc of health....so maybe keep both. If I was philly and i traded Noel and he was the healthy star and Embid becomes Greg Oden......i would not be happy lol

BUT i do like the trade idea, dont get me wrong. It does make sense for both sides in some aspects but just some things to think about

[PhoSita]

I think Embiid is gone before 3.

I'm not sure about Noel. If it was just the 6th pick I'd consider it but the fact that he never came back this year worries me.

Agreed. If Cleveland doesn't snag him, Bucks surely will.  That makes Sanders more expendable; that is the trade that we should be speculating about. A lot more feasible than Noel.

That's definitely option B here.  I'm not so sure Embiid will go before 3. It's really hard to say.  The top 3 are so good they could go in any order and it wouldn't be a surprise.

[Who]

Philly is slotted at 3 and there's a good chance Embiid is the guy available at that spot.  Does that make Noel available, as he plays the same position?  What would it take to acquire him?

This could be an interesting avenue to go if trading for a star (Love) is not an option.

A move like #6 for Noel + #10 could make sense for both sides.

I don't think there is any chance Noel and Embiid can play together. So I think they definitely have to trade one of them at some point. Not necessarily right away though. I think each player is probably only good for 20-25mpg next season so they could keep them together for now. Keep Noel as insurance for Embiid's injury. Let both players develop and put off the decision until further down the line. Increase their respective trade values.

If they were to trade Noel, I think the #6 for Noel is a fair deal. I don't think Boston has any chance at getting the #10 as well. That would be daylight robbery. Philly might even ask for (and get) another (small) asset in the deal on top of the #6 pick since Noel looks a heck of a lot more appetizing than the players being talked about for that 6th pick.

I'd love to trade the #6 for Noel. I think that would be a great move.

[sofutomygaha]

I think that the 6ers would be completely thrilled to start Noel at PF and Embiid at C. Their games aren't redundant.

Starting 2 players in the frontcourt who can't shoot is death to your NBA offense. Has been for over 20 years. Its even more fatal now, now you need one of them to be able to shoot 3s.

Yeah.  I don't think it would make sense.  Embiid is a true center, and you're wasting Noel if you play him at the 4 next to a true center. 

Lots of rim protection, but neither really covers the perimeter, and neither has a jumpshot.

Noel is extremely quick, and both are amazing at closing on perimeter shooters. I think defensively the combination could be devastating.

On offense, though, you have a point. Noel didn't have an offensive game of any kind aside from transition, rolling to the basket, and put-backs. Embiid has a post game and the beginning of a usable mid-range shot. You're right to point out that defenses would sag off of Noel and crowd the post.

[jaketwice]

I doubt they are trading Noel and 10 for 6.  If they get Embiid I could certainly see them moving Noel for Randle (though Noel might very well be better than Randle, just not a better fit), but they aren't giving up 10 in the process.  Will not happen.

Maybe so.  I'd consider moving other assets for Noel, in that case.  But I wouldn't trade the #6 for him if I wasn't getting a top 10 pick back.

I probably would, the way I figure it, if Noel was in this draft (and healthy) he would be a top 5 pick.  The reason he dropped last year was his health otherwise he would have gone #1 last year.  You would certainly need to examine his knee, but if he checked out physically and there wasn't much risk of recurrence, then I'd probably move #6 for Noel, I would of course ask for more since Noel was the #6 pick in a weaker draft, but Philly won't move 10 in that trade, nor should they without getting a lot more back than just 6.  Maybe something like 6, 17, and the Clippers pick (or Philly's pick back) for Noel and 10.  Now that is something I think would make sense for both teams.

I'd consider 6 and 17 for Noel and 10.  Not throwing in another 1st on top of that, though.  I suppose they can have the rights to those 2nd rounders back.

I'm not so sure Noel would go that high in this draft.  Nobody knows how much he's lost due to the knee injury and time off.  Plus, he was never a particularly impressive offensive player.

This idea is very good. We could get the shooter we want at 10, and the center we want in Noel. It's also a good deal for Philly for the reasons you mention. Randle/Gordon, Embiid/Parker, MCW Thad Young and then the Sixers can get GRIII - who I think is a terrific sleeper SG coming out of this draft. Three years from now that's one heck of a team.

We would be fielding Noel, Olynyk/Sullinger, Green, Bradley, Rondo ...we'd be one-two moves away.

[jaketwice]

I think that the 6ers would be completely thrilled to start Noel at PF and Embiid at C. Their games aren't redundant.

Starting 2 players in the frontcourt who can't shoot is death to your NBA offense. Has been for over 20 years. Its even more fatal now, now you need one of them to be able to shoot 3s.

Yeah.  I don't think it would make sense.  Embiid is a true center, and you're wasting Noel if you play him at the 4 next to a true center. 

Lots of rim protection, but neither really covers the perimeter, and neither has a jumpshot.

Noel is extremely quick, and both are amazing at closing on perimeter shooters. I think defensively the combination could be devastating.

On offense, though, you have a point. Noel didn't have an offensive game of any kind aside from transition, rolling to the basket, and put-backs. Embiid has a post game and the beginning of a usable mid-range shot. You're right to point out that defenses would sag off of Noel and crowd the post.

See, I just think having two similar players has never worked: Jefferson/Milsap? Failure. Monroe/Drummond? Failure. Steve Francis/Stephon Marbury? Failure. ...I guess it worked once with David Robinson/Tim Duncan. ...but don't forget that Robinson was the consummate veteran professional: "the Admiral." Roles were very clear in Duncan's first year.

These guys are all rookie types.

Embiid and Noel together would be a big mistake in my opinion. However, if Embiid drops to three, the Sixers MUST take him. So I see this trade making a lot of sense. I disagree with Who that getting the number 10 as well would be anything like robbery, but agree that perhaps an asset going the other way would be appropriate. Jerryd Bayless, Avery Bradley, Joel Anthony, and Brandon Bass are all veterans who could help a developing Philadelphia squad. They make the same kind of money as Noel.

This is one of those trades that I want to call the Celtics front office to suggest.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I would not trade the #6 for Noel. I think 10 + Noel for 6 is fair

[knuckleballer]

I'm on board with this trade, plus he's a Boston guy.  It would be nice to root for a local.

[loco_91]

That would be awesome, but I don't think there's any way we get their #10 in that trade. I'd be happy with #6 + Sully/KO for #10 and Noel, or #6+#17 for #10 and Noel, or #17 and Sully/KO for Noel. I'd even consider just #6 for Noel.

[JBcat]

6, 17, and maybe a protected future first for Noel and 10.  I think that's fair for both sides considering Noel didn't play at all last year.  Like others have said they could pair Randle, Gordon, or Vonleh with Embiid, and we take a chance with a young center, and draft a talented wing like McDermott.  While I'm at it I'll give Detroit or is it the Kings a call about the 8th pick (can't remember which team it is but know its on the trade block. Lol) and see if they are enticed with a trade centered around Jeff Green and other pieces.  Don't laugh some teams are still big fans of his and he might fit in better.

[Geo123]

Philly is slotted at 3 and there's a good chance Embiid is the guy available at that spot.  Does that make Noel available, as he plays the same position?  What would it take to acquire him?

This could be an interesting avenue to go if trading for a star (Love) is not an option.

A move like #6 for Noel + #10 could make sense for both sides.


The BPA at 6 may very well be Randle, who is a terrible fit for Boston, but who could look great next to Embiid. 

Meanwhile the Celtics get a rim protector who could work nicely next to Sullinger or KO, and at #10 a player like McDermott, Saric, Gordon, or Harris will be available to add some talent on the wing, which the Celtics really need.

Noel would have been the first pick in the draft if he wasn't injured last year.  They will build around him.  They aren't trading him for the #6 pick let alone giving us the #10 also....   

[LarBrd33]

Not happening.  They'll get Parker 3rd and have a sick trio heading forward of Noel, Parker and MCW.  '

Be jelly.  They should have a very bright future in Philly.  Tankin done right.

[LarBrd33]

I would not trade the #6 for Noel. I think 10 + Noel for 6 is fair

Funny.

Saw a chat with Chad Ford recently.  They asked where healthy Noel would go in this draft and he said "right after the Top 4"

[Rondo9]

Not happening.  They'll get Parker 3rd and have a sick trio heading forward of Noel, Parker and MCW.  '

Be jelly.  They should have a very bright future in Philly.  Tankin done right.

And the Celtics are an example of tanking gone wrong?

[LarBrd33]

Not happening.  They'll get Parker 3rd and have a sick trio heading forward of Noel, Parker and MCW.  '

Be jelly.  They should have a very bright future in Philly.  Tankin done right.

And the Celtics are an example of tanking gone wrong?

Not wrong.  But Philly's future could be pretty special.  Ours could too, maybe.  They have 2 potential franchise players though... and we have none..