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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2014, 09:53:56 AM »

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all tanking does is buy you an opportunity, it doesn't guarantee you anything. if this makes anyone uncomfortable maybe the NBA isn't for you.

but threads like this make me hate the fans that don't appreciate this team, their history and their legacy.

because if they did appreciate those things they would realize what a FREAKING BLESSING DANNY AINGE IS!

so we didn't get a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't have 1 player in it that is going to turn this team around. so what?!? go root for whatever teams are in the finals.

I'm equally not crazy about the reaction to the reactionary posts.

The reality is that very few fans want Ainge to be fired, but there are many that saw what just happened coming all season and were arguing for Danny to better ensure a top pick. Yes, there are no guarantees in the lottery, and I would agree that there don't appear to be any prospects in the draft that will immediately turn a franchise around. Still, there is a definite drop off in VALUE of the picks as you move from top 3 down to where we are at 6.

There are many reports now that using our pick to acquire a current top player (eg Love) is going to be more difficult and will have to use more assets (if possible at all) took a big hit with us landing at 6.

This was a terrible season for the Cs and if we were going to suffer through this as part of a rebuild, Danny should have done more to ensure that the pick we ended up getting out of it was premium. That doesn't mean he should be fired or anything remotely extreme like that, but it is a legitimate criticism that many were levying right along...

Should have won the same amount of games the Cavs had to "ensure" a top pick

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2014, 11:18:24 AM »

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all tanking does is buy you an opportunity, it doesn't guarantee you anything. if this makes anyone uncomfortable maybe the NBA isn't for you.

but threads like this make me hate the fans that don't appreciate this team, their history and their legacy.

because if they did appreciate those things they would realize what a FREAKING BLESSING DANNY AINGE IS!

so we didn't get a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't have 1 player in it that is going to turn this team around. so what?!? go root for whatever teams are in the finals.

I'm equally not crazy about the reaction to the reactionary posts.

The reality is that very few fans want Ainge to be fired, but there are many that saw what just happened coming all season and were arguing for Danny to better ensure a top pick. Yes, there are no guarantees in the lottery, and I would agree that there don't appear to be any prospects in the draft that will immediately turn a franchise around. Still, there is a definite drop off in VALUE of the picks as you move from top 3 down to where we are at 6.

There are many reports now that using our pick to acquire a current top player (eg Love) is going to be more difficult and will have to use more assets (if possible at all) took a big hit with us landing at 6.

This was a terrible season for the Cs and if we were going to suffer through this as part of a rebuild, Danny should have done more to ensure that the pick we ended up getting out of it was premium. That doesn't mean he should be fired or anything remotely extreme like that, but it is a legitimate criticism that many were levying right along...

Should have won the same amount of games the Cavs had to "ensure" a top pick

CLE won the lottery. We all know that there is chance involved, but what MIL, PHI, and ORL did was ensure a top pick.

If the drop off in value was after #1, then maybe it wouldn't have made sense, but with at least 4 highly coveted picks and given how bad we were, it made sense to really go after one of those picks.

I'm really not sure why Danny didn't tank harder. I guess he was trying to thread the needle and keep the rights and chips to players like Bass, Bayless, and Humph while still getting a top pick. It didn't work, however, and left him in an incredibly hard rebuild.

The biggest worry now has to be losing Rondo to FA...

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2014, 01:02:07 PM »

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all tanking does is buy you an opportunity, it doesn't guarantee you anything. if this makes anyone uncomfortable maybe the NBA isn't for you.

but threads like this make me hate the fans that don't appreciate this team, their history and their legacy.

because if they did appreciate those things they would realize what a FREAKING BLESSING DANNY AINGE IS!

so we didn't get a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't have 1 player in it that is going to turn this team around. so what?!? go root for whatever teams are in the finals.

I'm equally not crazy about the reaction to the reactionary posts.

The reality is that very few fans want Ainge to be fired, but there are many that saw what just happened coming all season and were arguing for Danny to better ensure a top pick. Yes, there are no guarantees in the lottery, and I would agree that there don't appear to be any prospects in the draft that will immediately turn a franchise around. Still, there is a definite drop off in VALUE of the picks as you move from top 3 down to where we are at 6.

There are many reports now that using our pick to acquire a current top player (eg Love) is going to be more difficult and will have to use more assets (if possible at all) took a big hit with us landing at 6.

This was a terrible season for the Cs and if we were going to suffer through this as part of a rebuild, Danny should have done more to ensure that the pick we ended up getting out of it was premium. That doesn't mean he should be fired or anything remotely extreme like that, but it is a legitimate criticism that many were levying right along...

I think this view makes the mistake of thinking that this season was only about the draft pick.

I'm pretty sure that Danny, Brad and their staff had other goals as well, such as developing the players that they already had and trading a few.   Those are necessary things to do for the long run.     

Last I checked, a #6 pick in a deep draft _was_ a "premium" pick.
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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2014, 01:13:32 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2014, 01:29:31 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

11 months into the rebuild, and we are upset we aren't contending again!

Question: who would you rather have leading us through a rebuild? (And don't say Daryl Morey...).

Pat Riley circa 2006?
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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2014, 01:31:27 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

11 months into the rebuild, and we are upset we aren't contending again!

Question: who would you rather have leading us through a rebuild? (And don't say Daryl Morey...).

Pat Riley circa 2006?

Danny Ainge 2007?
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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2014, 02:39:55 PM »

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all tanking does is buy you an opportunity, it doesn't guarantee you anything. if this makes anyone uncomfortable maybe the NBA isn't for you.

but threads like this make me hate the fans that don't appreciate this team, their history and their legacy.

because if they did appreciate those things they would realize what a FREAKING BLESSING DANNY AINGE IS!

so we didn't get a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't have 1 player in it that is going to turn this team around. so what?!? go root for whatever teams are in the finals.

I'm equally not crazy about the reaction to the reactionary posts.

The reality is that very few fans want Ainge to be fired, but there are many that saw what just happened coming all season and were arguing for Danny to better ensure a top pick. Yes, there are no guarantees in the lottery, and I would agree that there don't appear to be any prospects in the draft that will immediately turn a franchise around. Still, there is a definite drop off in VALUE of the picks as you move from top 3 down to where we are at 6.

There are many reports now that using our pick to acquire a current top player (eg Love) is going to be more difficult and will have to use more assets (if possible at all) took a big hit with us landing at 6.

This was a terrible season for the Cs and if we were going to suffer through this as part of a rebuild, Danny should have done more to ensure that the pick we ended up getting out of it was premium. That doesn't mean he should be fired or anything remotely extreme like that, but it is a legitimate criticism that many were levying right along...

I think this view makes the mistake of thinking that this season was only about the draft pick.

I'm pretty sure that Danny, Brad and their staff had other goals as well, such as developing the players that they already had and trading a few.   Those are necessary things to do for the long run.     

Last I checked, a #6 pick in a deep draft _was_ a "premium" pick.

Yeah, I agree that Danny was trying to do many, many things this season. That's where I was going when I said he was trying to thread the needle...meaning he was trying to accomplish many things with one of them being getting a top pick.

I just think getting that top pick should have been a higher priority given its value and also given just how bad we were...

Whether #6 is still premium I guess is still to be determined. It's just that we've known for a while that top 4 was, so it made sense to go for it again considering just how bad we were anyway.

I think one of Danny's jobs now, if he really wants to go after Love is to figure out who Minny would want at 6 or 7 because our chief rival for a trade is LA and they are picking right behind us. If Danny can figure out who Minny wants there, he can draft him and use that to leverage the trade to Boston...Lots of poker to be played for sure.

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2014, 04:43:09 PM »

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Sure, let's fire Ainge. And Stevens, and all the players who dared to think they were being paid vast sums of money to win a few games. Okay then.

The danger of the uber-tank strategy that Philadelphia are going through is that they inherit a losing and demoralised culture which inhibits the development of their young talent. They don't have veterans on their team to have a quiet word in their ear at the necessary time or to provide insight to the youngsters.

My initial response when I heard we were getting Humphries was a mixture of f-bombs, with the occasional 'Kardashian' thrown in for good measure, but it can only have done Olynyk (and to a lesser extent, Sullinger) good to have his experience around, as well as providing competition for minutes. Him and Wallace will be mere footnotes in Celtics' history, but making use of their experience was a wise strategy IMO.

Finally, intentionally sinking to the bottom of the pile is no guarantee of first pick anyway. And the first pick, as the Cavaliers hilariously demonstrated last year, is no guarantee of success. I'm quite happy with 6th and 17th this year in a draft that has a lot of very good players but very few, if any, stars to be. Ainge has a whole bunch of future picks in his pocket which bodes well for the future.

I'd take our steadily rebuilding and improving position over the 76ers (a team with a lot of potential talent and experience in losing, collectively barely old enough to shave) any day of the week.

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2014, 04:45:49 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

11 months into the rebuild, and we are upset we aren't contending again!

Question: who would you rather have leading us through a rebuild? (And don't say Daryl Morey...).

Pat Riley circa 2006?

Pat Riley? What did he do? He sat on his hands while Wade, Bosh, and Lebron planned it all out in China in 2008. He cleared some space to make it happen, but most GMs could do that.

It took Riley 4 years to get back anywhere, and he barely even did anything. Ainge is barely a year in.

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

11 months into the rebuild, and we are upset we aren't contending again!

Question: who would you rather have leading us through a rebuild? (And don't say Daryl Morey...).

Pat Riley circa 2006?

Pat Riley? What did he do? He sat on his hands while Wade, Bosh, and Lebron planned it all out in China in 2008. He cleared some space to make it happen, but most GMs could do that.

It took Riley 4 years to get back anywhere, and he barely even did anything. Ainge is barely a year in.

What? No, I want the creepy back room collusion, too. Riley was instrumental in convincing Wade that he'd make the space for LeBron and Bosh.
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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2014, 05:21:15 PM »

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Ainge should have left when Doc did. Awful job with this rebuild. Zero reason why Rondo Bass Hump Bayless and the rest of those guys should have been on a rebuilding team. This squad needed to be blown up and Ainge didn't do it. Just an awful day to be a fan. Thank you Danny Ainge for wanting to compete and not be like the Sixers...I'm sure we will look back when Parker is lighting up the Celtics for 30 ppg and say that you made the right move!!!

Hahahahahaha.

11 months into the rebuild, and we are upset we aren't contending again!

Question: who would you rather have leading us through a rebuild? (And don't say Daryl Morey...).

Pat Riley circa 2006?

Danny Ainge 2007?

Touche.
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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2014, 05:34:29 PM »

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Firing DA is obligatory now...Destroyed all 2007 team, sending all start out of the team, including the captain PP (tell me me any GM can trade a great captain?)..."Waiting" for lucky number from NBA draft lottery...Can this be a strategy for tanking and rebuilding??? Please...how can defend him...

Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2014, 05:35:57 PM »

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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2014, 05:43:50 PM »

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all tanking does is buy you an opportunity, it doesn't guarantee you anything. if this makes anyone uncomfortable maybe the NBA isn't for you.

but threads like this make me hate the fans that don't appreciate this team, their history and their legacy.

because if they did appreciate those things they would realize what a FREAKING BLESSING DANNY AINGE IS!

so we didn't get a top 3 pick in a draft that doesn't have 1 player in it that is going to turn this team around. so what?!? go root for whatever teams are in the finals.

I'm equally not crazy about the reaction to the reactionary posts.

The reality is that very few fans want Ainge to be fired, but there are many that saw what just happened coming all season and were arguing for Danny to better ensure a top pick. Yes, there are no guarantees in the lottery, and I would agree that there don't appear to be any prospects in the draft that will immediately turn a franchise around. Still, there is a definite drop off in VALUE of the picks as you move from top 3 down to where we are at 6.

There are many reports now that using our pick to acquire a current top player (eg Love) is going to be more difficult and will have to use more assets (if possible at all) took a big hit with us landing at 6.

This was a terrible season for the Cs and if we were going to suffer through this as part of a rebuild, Danny should have done more to ensure that the pick we ended up getting out of it was premium. That doesn't mean he should be fired or anything remotely extreme like that, but it is a legitimate criticism that many were levying right along...

I think this view makes the mistake of thinking that this season was only about the draft pick.

I'm pretty sure that Danny, Brad and their staff had other goals as well, such as developing the players that they already had and trading a few.   Those are necessary things to do for the long run.     

Last I checked, a #6 pick in a deep draft _was_ a "premium" pick.

I think that any argument assuming this past season was about a draft pick that Ainge clearly doesn't want to use is flawed on its face.

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone thinks this ownership is going to be OK going down a long-term draft-oriented rebuild.

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Re: Fire Ainge
« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2014, 05:45:44 PM »

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Firing DA is obligatory now...Destroyed all 2007 team, sending all start out of the team, including the captain PP (tell me me any GM can trade a great captain?)..."Waiting" for lucky number from NBA draft lottery...Can this be a strategy for tanking and rebuilding??? Please...how can defend him...

This post gave me cancer.