GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014-15 thread: Yahoo league is live!

[barefacedmonk]

BTW, good luck, KWhit. May the force be with you!

[The Walker Wiggle]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

[Eja117]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

I agree with all that but very strongly disagree with your 2nd point, which is another philosophical issue.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

This is like me trading two Durant's, but instead of at the same time it's end to end. It's like me saying "I'll give you a Durant, but when he's done I'll give you another one."

Suddenly the trade makes a tad more sense. That's just how I see it.

[Kwhit10]

I don't think after this trade Jay will be to the position  that lucky was this past year for at least 2 years if he's lucky (no pun intended),   especially trading his pick away.

He will probably be bottom 3 this year.

[barefacedmonk]

I don't have a too many problems with this deal if Jayhovaone decides to stick around for a few years. But a lot of GMs (a lot, not all) beat a hasty retreat when they realise they are looking at few years of rebuild/or when they realise they can't realistically compete for the top prize...heck, it happened to one of our veteran CB posters...its just my opinion, but I feel that Nick (someone who was clamoring for his own team as a Co-GM) wouldn't have quit if he had a younger and more productive roster.

[barefacedmonk]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

Davis might turn out to be the BEST B'ball player ever (a very tall order)...but there is no way he will be worth TWO Kevin Durants....at least not for a few more years...equal maybe....not more.

[Eja117]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

Davis might turn out to be the BEST B'ball player ever...but there is no way he will be worth TWO Kevin Durants....at least not for a few more years...equal maybe....not more.

On some level I can get why people don't like the Durant vs Davis comparison. But considering that Davis is going to play about twice as long as Durant from this point forward he'd have to be about half as good to be equal to one Durant and I think he's gonna be at least 90ish% as good.

[barefacedmonk]

Few years back (3, I think), I'd offered LeBron for a similar package...not TWO Kevin Durants...but two top 50 players....and my post was ridiculed privately (mostly) and publicly. I wish Jayhovaone was in the league at that time. 

[The Walker Wiggle]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

I agree with all that but very strongly disagree with your 2nd point, which is another philosophical issue.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

This is like me trading two Durant's, but instead of at the same time it's end to end. It's like me saying "I'll give you a Durant, but when he's done I'll give you another one."

Suddenly the trade makes a tad more sense. That's just how I see it.

Wait what? I hope that wasn't the line you used on Jay? Durant is four years older than Davis. In no scenario does that gap equal a second career. He's also got durability issues that Durant doesn't have.

I'm more comfortable working with actual numbers, such as 21 and 25. So argue this, Davis was  the 4th most productive player last season per game, eighth overall (since he again failed to play 70 games). He's not even a lock to be the second most valuable fantasy player next year.

[barefacedmonk]

If what Eja says is true, i.e. Jayhovaone offered the US treasury for a few Chinese stocks, then Jayhovaone is the one to be blamed. But if Eja convinced him to give up all those assests for Davis and a few half eaten bananas, I applaud his GM skills. But still, he Eja knows he managed to take Jayhova behind the woodshed.

I wonder if the other GM will chime in.

[Gainesville Celtic]

agree with all that but very strongly disagree with your 2nd point, which is another philosophical issue.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

This is like me trading two Durant's, but instead of at the same time it's end to end. It's like me saying "I'll give you a Durant, but when he's done I'll give you another one."

Suddenly the trade makes a tad more sense. That's just how I see it.

Wait what? I hope that wasn't the line you used on Jay? Durant is four years older than Davis. In no scenario does that gap equal a second career. He's also got durability issues that Durant doesn't have. I'm more comfortable working with actual numbers, such as 21 and 25.

Yeah i'm not sure where "2 Durants" came from... isn't there a band named that? I think that's trying to sell this too hard

Philosophically i think its foolish to come in and build from the ground up, but I can at least see that its what some folks want to do.... But if you're going to do that you *have* to put a higher value on your #1 pick next year (almost guaranteed now when you send out your 4 best players to be a HIGH lotto pick).

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I also agree with Wiggle's earlier point: in a league like this I think there has to be a certain "good of the league" outlook by all GMs. (I"m not saying you had to turn the deal down Eja).

I would NEVER do a deal like this if for no other reason than I don't want to let a team like Eja become too good that *I* couldn't beat him even if I'm looking long term... like in the next 3-4 years.

[fairweatherfan]

How many second round picks end up on the waiver wire by the cut-off date only to  be picked by a a vigilant GM a few years later (if those players show signs of production, ofcourse) ?

It depends on how many 2nd rounders WW has that year 

[Eja117]

If what Eja says is true, i.e. Jayhovaone offered the US treasury for a few Chinese stocks, then Jayhovaone is the one to be blamed. But if Eja convinced him to give up all those assests for Davis and a few half eaten bananas, I applaud his GM skills. But still, he Eja knows he managed to take Jayhova behind the woodshed.

I wonder if the other GM will chime in.

I did well. Maybe very well. But I was gonna have to do very well to give up Davis. Jay just happened to be the guy. I was very surprised by his aggressiveness. Came fast and came hard.

[Eja117]

But I agree with GC. Blowing it all up right away is definitely an ill advised move, but I just didn't feel it was my place to advise the guy. I tried to beat him off with a stick (no snickering) and he just wouldn't budge. Knew what he wanted. Made me an offer I couldn't refuse. There was no way I could tell him "Well that's just not a fair offer."

Appreciate the candor EJA. But for myself it's not you I'm waiting to hear from, it's the dead in the water guy. I do agree that it's not your place to talk someone off the ledge, but I also hope you understand that it's up to all of us to work to maintain the integrity of the league long term (cue Champkind's laughter). I suspect you knew when you accepted the deal that you'd be creating some controversy and skirting a veto.

Also, minor point, but Kevin Durant is the best player in fantasy basketball and it isn't even close yet.

I agree with all that but very strongly disagree with your 2nd point, which is another philosophical issue.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

This is like me trading two Durant's, but instead of at the same time it's end to end. It's like me saying "I'll give you a Durant, but when he's done I'll give you another one."

Suddenly the trade makes a tad more sense. That's just how I see it.

Wait what? I hope that wasn't the line you used on Jay? Durant is four years older than Davis. In no scenario does that gap equal a second career. He's also got durability issues that Durant doesn't have.

I'm more comfortable working with actual numbers, such as 21 and 25. So argue this, Davis was  the 4th most productive player last season per game, eighth overall (since he again failed to play 70 games). He's not even a lock to be the second most valuable fantasy player next year.

I was under the impression Davis is like 20 and Durant is like 27ish. Like Durant has had a 7 year career out of 14 and Davis has had a two year career out of 14.  No?

Maybe Durant has only been around for a third of his career. But in that case Davis has been around for a 6th of his career. No?

Ok. I'm gonna back off this comparison. My only contention here is Davis is going to be playing for several years after Durant. Not only that but look at the careers of bigs vs wings.

Pierce is largely done at 36. Maybe even 35. Duncan is like 38 or 39. Shaq played till 40. Granted he wasn't so great at 39 but still. Dirk is looking great.  When a wing loses his speed it's a very different scenario.

[barefacedmonk]

agree with all that but very strongly disagree with your 2nd point, which is another philosophical issue.

Durant. He's great. But his career is half done. Davis. He's great. His career is just starting.

This is like me trading two Durant's, but instead of at the same time it's end to end. It's like me saying "I'll give you a Durant, but when he's done I'll give you another one."

Suddenly the trade makes a tad more sense. That's just how I see it.

Wait what? I hope that wasn't the line you used on Jay? Durant is four years older than Davis. In no scenario does that gap equal a second career. He's also got durability issues that Durant doesn't have. I'm more comfortable working with actual numbers, such as 21 and 25.

Yeah i'm not sure where "2 Durants" came from... isn't there a band named that? I think that's trying to sell this too hard

I think all this comes from Y! message boards last season where Eja had posted that if you want Davis, make a strong offer....like two KDs or two LeBrons. And if recall correctly, one of the GMs had replied something like "Eja, slap yourself twice and don't ever make me an offer". I could be wrong.