Ranking the Centers the Celtics can obtain for next season

[LooseCannon]

No offense. But what would okafor solve?? He is injury prone and a short term fix , especially for a contender.

Asik again a short term fix with no offense.

Mozgov had a 29 rebound, 3 blocks,  20 point game last year. 
He destroyed bogut. He is a starter, just needs min on the court

One game.

Okafor is going to be heavily recruited by contenders that are looking to add an above average back up Center for around the MLE. I don't know where you think hes going to seriously get over 6 mil. I think 5 is his max with 2-3 extra years included.

As for Asik, like I said, I agree. Hes awful offensively, and even Perkins seems to do better on offense.

But Asik is a better defender than Mozgov, and is a better rebounder per 36.

Hes also going to be the easiest to grab... TPE/Clippers pick, Bogans? Or something else in the mix? Mozgov is going to at least demand a first round pick, or a few second rounders, and I wouldn't give that for Mozgov who is also getting paid 4 mil per year...

I do get your points. But Mozgov's offense plus decent defensive capabilities outweight what Asik can provide. Plus Asik is a short term rental.

Don't let Mozgov's low rebounding #'s some games fool you. It's bc of Faried its lower

But I agree if all it takes is the TPE and a future 2nd or something, to go after Asik 1st.  But otherwise there are better options imo

We all saw what Aldridge did to Asik in the playoffs.  Asik is a good defensive Center, but not elite and can't make things up on the offensive end

Why is Asik a short term rental?

bc after next season he is a UFA.

I'd be happy to trade for him with the intention of giving him $10-12m/year on his next contract.

[BleedGreen1989]

No offense. But what would okafor solve?? He is injury prone and a short term fix , especially for a contender.

Asik again a short term fix with no offense.

Mozgov had a 29 rebound, 3 blocks,  20 point game last year. 
He destroyed bogut. He is a starter, just needs min on the court

One game.

Okafor is going to be heavily recruited by contenders that are looking to add an above average back up Center for around the MLE. I don't know where you think hes going to seriously get over 6 mil. I think 5 is his max with 2-3 extra years included.

As for Asik, like I said, I agree. Hes awful offensively, and even Perkins seems to do better on offense.

But Asik is a better defender than Mozgov, and is a better rebounder per 36.

Hes also going to be the easiest to grab... TPE/Clippers pick, Bogans? Or something else in the mix? Mozgov is going to at least demand a first round pick, or a few second rounders, and I wouldn't give that for Mozgov who is also getting paid 4 mil per year...

I do get your points. But Mozgov's offense plus decent defensive capabilities outweight what Asik can provide. Plus Asik is a short term rental.

Don't let Mozgov's low rebounding #'s some games fool you. It's bc of Faried its lower

But I agree if all it takes is the TPE and a future 2nd or something, to go after Asik 1st.  But otherwise there are better options imo

We all saw what Aldridge did to Asik in the playoffs.  Asik is a good defensive Center, but not elite and can't make things up on the offensive end

Why is Asik a short term rental?

bc after next season he is a UFA.

The Celtics won't be able to resign him?

[Tr1boy]

No offense. But what would okafor solve?? He is injury prone and a short term fix , especially for a contender.

Asik again a short term fix with no offense.

Mozgov had a 29 rebound, 3 blocks,  20 point game last year. 
He destroyed bogut. He is a starter, just needs min on the court

One game.

Okafor is going to be heavily recruited by contenders that are looking to add an above average back up Center for around the MLE. I don't know where you think hes going to seriously get over 6 mil. I think 5 is his max with 2-3 extra years included.

As for Asik, like I said, I agree. Hes awful offensively, and even Perkins seems to do better on offense.

But Asik is a better defender than Mozgov, and is a better rebounder per 36.

Hes also going to be the easiest to grab... TPE/Clippers pick, Bogans? Or something else in the mix? Mozgov is going to at least demand a first round pick, or a few second rounders, and I wouldn't give that for Mozgov who is also getting paid 4 mil per year...

I do get your points. But Mozgov's offense plus decent defensive capabilities outweight what Asik can provide. Plus Asik is a short term rental.

Don't let Mozgov's low rebounding #'s some games fool you. It's bc of Faried its lower

But I agree if all it takes is the TPE and a future 2nd or something, to go after Asik 1st.  But otherwise there are better options imo

We all saw what Aldridge did to Asik in the playoffs.  Asik is a good defensive Center, but not elite and can't make things up on the offensive end

Why is Asik a short term rental?

bc after next season he is a UFA.

I'd be happy to trade for him with the intention of giving him $10-12m/year on his next contract.

no way he is worth 10-12 million a year.  Again did you not see what Aldrige did to him? And then did you see how old father Duncan/Splitter neutralized Aldridge?

Duncan and Splitter were able to do some damage on the offensive end also got Aldrige tired. When you don't have to defend a guy like Asik, you can conserve your energy. His PnR defense and iq in general is mediocre

[Hawkeye199]

 I like moranoe  from Detroit he is a restricted free agent this year. currently plays PF but is 6 11 and can defiantly play center. he is 23 and big men generally take a little longer to reach there full potential. so his couple years of experience should help.

[Tr1boy]

I like moranoe  from Detroit he is a restricted free agent this year. currently plays PF but is 6 11 and can defiantly play center. he is 23 and big men generally take a little longer to reach there full potential. so his couple years of experience should help.

i like him also. But it will be difficult to come up a trade that works plus give him the money he wants.

[McHales Pits]

I like moranoe  from Detroit he is a restricted free agent this year. currently plays PF but is 6 11 and can defiantly play center. he is 23 and big men generally take a little longer to reach there full potential. so his couple years of experience should help.

i like him also. But it will be difficult to come up a trade that works plus give him the money he wants.

Trade exception plus a pick?

[Lucky17]

No offense. But what would okafor solve?? He is injury prone and a short term fix , especially for a contender.

Asik again a short term fix with no offense.

Mozgov had a 29 rebound, 3 blocks,  20 point game last year. 
He destroyed bogut. He is a starter, just needs min on the court

One game.

Okafor is going to be heavily recruited by contenders that are looking to add an above average back up Center for around the MLE. I don't know where you think hes going to seriously get over 6 mil. I think 5 is his max with 2-3 extra years included.

As for Asik, like I said, I agree. Hes awful offensively, and even Perkins seems to do better on offense.

But Asik is a better defender than Mozgov, and is a better rebounder per 36.

Hes also going to be the easiest to grab... TPE/Clippers pick, Bogans? Or something else in the mix? Mozgov is going to at least demand a first round pick, or a few second rounders, and I wouldn't give that for Mozgov who is also getting paid 4 mil per year...

I do get your points. But Mozgov's offense plus decent defensive capabilities outweight what Asik can provide. Plus Asik is a short term rental.

Don't let Mozgov's low rebounding #'s some games fool you. It's bc of Faried its lower

But I agree if all it takes is the TPE and a future 2nd or something, to go after Asik 1st.  But otherwise there are better options imo

We all saw what Aldridge did to Asik in the playoffs.  Asik is a good defensive Center, but not elite and can't make things up on the offensive end

Why is Asik a short term rental?

bc after next season he is a UFA.

I'd be happy to trade for him with the intention of giving him $10-12m/year on his next contract.

no way he is worth 10-12 million a year.  Again did you not see what Aldrige did to him? And then did you see how old father Duncan/Splitter neutralized Aldridge?

Duncan and Splitter were able to do some damage on the offensive end also got Aldrige tired. When you don't have to defend a guy like Asik, you can conserve your energy. His PnR defense and iq in general is mediocre

I've never heard his PnR defense is mediocre.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/film-session-omer-asik
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/15/4830936/omer-asik-defense-video-breakdown-houston-rockets
http://hoopshabit.com/2013/04/12/houston-rockets-is-omer-asik-still-a-quality-defender/

Words like "elite" and "brilliant" pop up repeatedly.

[BleedGreen1989]

No offense. But what would okafor solve?? He is injury prone and a short term fix , especially for a contender.

Asik again a short term fix with no offense.

Mozgov had a 29 rebound, 3 blocks,  20 point game last year. 
He destroyed bogut. He is a starter, just needs min on the court

One game.

Okafor is going to be heavily recruited by contenders that are looking to add an above average back up Center for around the MLE. I don't know where you think hes going to seriously get over 6 mil. I think 5 is his max with 2-3 extra years included.

As for Asik, like I said, I agree. Hes awful offensively, and even Perkins seems to do better on offense.

But Asik is a better defender than Mozgov, and is a better rebounder per 36.

Hes also going to be the easiest to grab... TPE/Clippers pick, Bogans? Or something else in the mix? Mozgov is going to at least demand a first round pick, or a few second rounders, and I wouldn't give that for Mozgov who is also getting paid 4 mil per year...

I do get your points. But Mozgov's offense plus decent defensive capabilities outweight what Asik can provide. Plus Asik is a short term rental.

Don't let Mozgov's low rebounding #'s some games fool you. It's bc of Faried its lower

But I agree if all it takes is the TPE and a future 2nd or something, to go after Asik 1st.  But otherwise there are better options imo

We all saw what Aldridge did to Asik in the playoffs.  Asik is a good defensive Center, but not elite and can't make things up on the offensive end

Why is Asik a short term rental?

bc after next season he is a UFA.

I'd be happy to trade for him with the intention of giving him $10-12m/year on his next contract.

no way he is worth 10-12 million a year.  Again did you not see what Aldrige did to him? And then did you see how old father Duncan/Splitter neutralized Aldridge?

Duncan and Splitter were able to do some damage on the offensive end also got Aldrige tired. When you don't have to defend a guy like Asik, you can conserve your energy. His PnR defense and iq in general is mediocre

I've never heard his PnR defense is mediocre.

http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/film-session-omer-asik
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/15/4830936/omer-asik-defense-video-breakdown-houston-rockets
http://hoopshabit.com/2013/04/12/houston-rockets-is-omer-asik-still-a-quality-defender/

Words like "elite" and "brilliant" pop up repeatedly.

TP for that Lucky.

I knew what triboy was saying was false but I was too lazy to look it up.

[notthebowler]

I like moranoe  from Detroit he is a restricted free agent this year. currently plays PF but is 6 11 and can defiantly play center. he is 23 and big men generally take a little longer to reach there full potential. so his couple years of experience should help.

i like him also. But it will be difficult to come up a trade that works plus give him the money he wants.

Trade exception plus a pick?

I think Detroit is going to want a bigger return on Monroe.  I'd be surprised if they took just a pick and the trade exception.  He's a restricted free agent , so they have that hammer to entice other teams to give them some value or risk the Pistons matching.

Houston, on the other hand has incentive to dump Asik's salary without taking anything back, including a 2014 draft pick (so they can potentially pursue Melo).

[Lucky17]

The exception is going to expire in mid-July. Even if you have to attach a future 1st rounder to that to get Asik, you're likely going to get some compensation back if you trade him before the deadline the following season, or via a sign and trade thanks to his Bird Rights during the following offseason.

If the price tag on Asik is as low as most believe, I can't see why Ainge should pass him up. Look at his numbers from 2012-13 when he was last getting starter minutes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3414/year/2013/omer-asik

[Lucky17]

Now, if the issue with Asik is that he's too good, and he'd complicate another season spent in the tank, that's another kettle of fish.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'm all set with Moose. Him and Sully are very redundant.

A member on RealGM put together a nice comparison of the two...

This Monroe V. Sully debate is really actually fascinating to consider which incited me to do my due diligence and get some actual quantifiable numbers to support either or.

Age:
Sully: 22
Monroe: 23

Basic Measurements (NBA Combine):
Sully: 6?9?, 7?1.25? wing, 8?9.5? standing, Max Vert 31?
Monroe: 6?11?, 7?2.25? wing, 9?0.5? standing reach, Max Vert 29?

Contested REB %:
Sully: 12th in NBA (bigs), 45.8%
Monroe: 22nd in NBA, 44.2%

Total REB %
Sully: 60.9%
Monroe: 57.1%

Rim Protection FG%
Sully: 53.9% 10th worst,
Monroe: 51.2% 24th worst
Both have 7 FGA defended per game

BLK/STL
Sully: 0.7/0.5
Monroe: 0.6/1.1

Old School Box Stats (Pts-Rbs-Asst):
Sully: 13.8-8.1-1.6
Monroe: 15.2-9.3-2.1

Shooting %s:
Sully: 42.7% FG, 26.9% 3pt, 77.8%FT
Monroe: 49.7% FG, No 3s attempted, 65.7% FT

PER:
Sully: 16.42
Monroe: 18.16

[pearljammer10]

Your numbers 5, 6 and 7 are my 1, 2 and 3.

[footey]

If we don't get Embid, I'm hoping that Milwaukee drafts him and is willing to trade Sanders to us at a decent price.  He may be trouble, but is a very talented guy who in a good organization like the Celtics should be able to get his act together.

[Tr1boy]

If we don't get Embid, I'm hoping that Milwaukee drafts him and is willing to trade Sanders to us at a decent price.  He may be trouble, but is a very talented guy who in a good organization like the Celtics should be able to get his act together.

trust me when i say this. Danny and Stevens are walking as far away as possible from Sanders .  The guy is pure problems and is pro marijuana use (even though the league is against it).