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Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« on: May 10, 2014, 04:37:05 PM »

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Green?s field goal percentage of 41.2 percent is actually quite misleading when it comes to his efficiency. He scored 0.928 points per possession this season, according to Synergy Sports. That number nearly ranks in the 60th percentile of the league, which Synergy says is good.


Some amusing interpretations of Synergy numbers in this article.  Trying to make an argument that any particular player on the Celtics had a very good season results in some slightly hilarious contortions.


Says a lot about our team this season.  Good riddance to the 13-14 Celtics.
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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 05:14:00 PM »

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If any one Celtic was to be named 13-14 Celtic MVP it would have to be Jeff Green. Despite the C's stinker of a year and despite the ridiculous amount of criticism Green got, he played pretty decent ball for a guy asked to be a number one option when everyone know (and even he admits) that he's not.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 05:31:32 PM »

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Green?s field goal percentage of 41.2 percent is actually quite misleading when it comes to his efficiency. He scored 0.928 points per possession this season, according to Synergy Sports. That number nearly ranks in the 60th percentile of the league, which Synergy says is good.


Some amusing interpretations of Synergy numbers in this article.  Trying to make an argument that any particular player on the Celtics had a very good season results in some slightly hilarious contortions.


Says a lot about our team this season.  Good riddance to the 13-14 Celtics.
Agreed, agreed, agreed. That green is the team MVP says less about him than it does  about the celtics.

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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 06:01:03 PM »

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Sullinger did more things to help the team play better when he was on the floor this season than Green did, in my opinion. 

That's who I'd name MVP, though the whole exercise seems silly when you're talking about a 25 win team.  Nobody was especially "valuable" on this team.
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 06:07:58 PM »

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Sullinger did more things to help the team play better when he was on the floor this season than Green did, in my opinion. 

That's who I'd name MVP, though the whole exercise seems silly when you're talking about a 25 win team.  Nobody was especially "valuable" on this team.
I agree. Sully was our best player. Not that that's much of an accomplishment.

Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 06:13:07 PM »

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Whoever we take #6 will probably be our best player by default.

Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2014, 06:23:23 PM »

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Looks like Sully was -12 this year for the Celtics.

Jeff Green was -355 on the court.

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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2014, 06:48:30 PM »

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Whoever we take #6 will probably be our best player by default.

I mean, if we take a guy like Gordon or Vonleh I think there's a solid chance he plays less than 25 minutes a night and has an up or down season.  The best player available in the 5-8 range will probably be a player who is fairly raw.

Parker or Wiggins -- especially Parker -- sure, I could see either of them leading the team in scoring and making a big impact, though I think Parker will be a project on defense to start with, to say the least.

I think Smart / Exum would begin the year off the bench as a combo guard, perhaps eventually getting into the starting lineup once Avery gets injured and needs surgery or Rondo gets traded.

Embiid will be a project who needs to have his minutes limited at first.  Randle would have limited playing time due to the fact that Sully and KO are already here.


So really, I kinda doubt the guy we take with our first would be the best player on the team right away.  Best talent / upside on the team?  Very likely.
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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2014, 07:21:55 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2014, 07:30:36 PM »

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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2014, 04:14:39 AM »

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Sullinger did more things to help the team play better when he was on the floor this season than Green did, in my opinion. 

That's who I'd name MVP, though the whole exercise seems silly when you're talking about a 25 win team.  Nobody was especially "valuable" on this team.

No chance...

How many game winners did Green win?  How many 25+ games did he have? 

How many times did Sullinger kill us by jacking up horrible shots?

Green was out  best player this year, followed by Avery Bradley.  Sullinger was arguably our third best player, but he's battling with Olynyk for that title.

Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2014, 04:23:05 AM »

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Whoever we take #6 will probably be our best player by default.

I mean, if we take a guy like Gordon or Vonleh I think there's a solid chance he plays less than 25 minutes a night and has an up or down season.  The best player available in the 5-8 range will probably be a player who is fairly raw.

Parker or Wiggins -- especially Parker -- sure, I could see either of them leading the team in scoring and making a big impact, though I think Parker will be a project on defense to start with, to say the least.

I think Smart / Exum would begin the year off the bench as a combo guard, perhaps eventually getting into the starting lineup once Avery gets injured and needs surgery or Rondo gets traded.

Embiid will be a project who needs to have his minutes limited at first.  Randle would have limited playing time due to the fact that Sully and KO are already here.


So really, I kinda doubt the guy we take with our first would be the best player on the team right away.  Best talent / upside on the team?  Very likely.

I agree about Gordon, but if we draft Vonleh I think he will instantly become the best big man on our roster. 

He can score in the post, he can hi the midrange jumper, he has three point range, he's an elite rebounder and he's an excellent defender.  There is no other big man on the Celtics roster with that skill set.

In fact, the fact that he can contribute on offense, defense and on the boards immediately makes the most valuable big on this team IMO, and the fact that he's only 20 means he has quite a bit of upside as well.  Plus at 6'10" with a 7'4" wingspan and good strength, he's a very legit option at center.

Right now everybody Boston puts on the court is a liablity in some aspect.  When Sully or Olynyk are on the court, we are at a disadvantage on defense.  When Hump is on the court, we have limited offense.  Bass is the closest we have to a guy who plays on both ends, but his team defensive is poor and his rebounding weak.

Vonleh is a guy who, in 30 minutes a night, could probably give you 12 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks a game.

If Boston cannot get a top 4 pick (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum) then my next choice would be Vonleh.

Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2014, 01:58:00 PM »

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Green?s field goal percentage of 41.2 percent is actually quite misleading when it comes to his efficiency. He scored 0.928 points per possession this season, according to Synergy Sports. That number nearly ranks in the 60th percentile of the league, which Synergy says is good.


Some amusing interpretations of Synergy numbers in this article.  Trying to make an argument that any particular player on the Celtics had a very good season results in some slightly hilarious contortions.


Says a lot about our team this season.  Good riddance to the 13-14 Celtics.

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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 02:13:38 PM »

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Looks like Sully was -12 this year for the Celtics.

Jeff Green was -355 on the court.

Hmm... looks like Sully scored or assisted .348 points per touch of the ball this year.

Jeff Green scored or assisted .420 points per touch of the ball this year.

In fact, Green was the _only_ Celtic over .400 in that respect this year.

Maybe that aggregate +/- says more about who was or wasn't also on the floor when these guys were on the court?
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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 02:20:54 PM »

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