Offseason Moves 4.0 "to build a contender"

[scotto1205]

"EDIT OP" added a year to haywards deal to make it harder for utah to match.

Firstly lets Humphries and Bayless deals expire.

Cut Fav.

Sign Avery Bradley to his Q/O assuming no one goes after him.

Next Trade Bass to portland for Thomas Robinson and Meyers Leonard

Next Send Bogans and 2 future seconds to Denver for Mozgov. They are desperate for some cap flexibility.

Straight up trade Wallace and pick 17 to the 76ers for Richardson's Expiring and mullens. Use the t/e to absorb both contracts. As crazy as that trade seems it opens up a ton of room for us to sign f/a's which you are about to see and its gives the sixers a veteran presence they need to teach there guys the little things plus they get a pick I think they do it. Richardson could still be a productive 2 guard for us.

Next sign Greg Monroe in restricted FA 3 year 39 million. 3yr/13m I dont think detroit gives up that much for him.

Next sign Gordan Hayward in restricted FA 4 year 48 million.  4yr/12m.

DRAFT NIGHT: 

say we end up with the 6th pick I think we go with Aaron Gordon.

Opening night roster

PG: Rondo-FA-Pressey
SG: Hayward-Bradley-Richardson
SF: Green-Gordon-Johnson
PF: Sullinger-KO-Robinson
C:  Monroe-Mozgov-Mullens

I think this is an excellent deep roster that has a ton of room to grow in the future.
Rondo will help all these players get the looks they need. Hayward and Monroe both get out of bad situations and there is a high possibility they could flourish in this lineup. Green is no longer the focal point of the offense, I'd expect he would improve. Not to mention the improvement of KO and Sullinger.

If we have a second unit led by KO, Bradley, Gordon, and Mozgov. I think this roster has the potential to be and elite team unit. Eastern conference finals or farther wouldnt be out of the question IMHO. A couple years down the road we have gordon to replace Jeff green also.

Please tell me what you guys think!

How far could this team go?

Possible stat line for starters

Rondo 14 pts 6 rebs 12 asts
Hayward 19 pts 6 rebs 6 asts
Green 18 pts 5 rebs 3 asts
Sullinger 16pts 11 rebs 2 asts
Monroe 18 pts 10 rebs 3 asts

That looks pretty [dang] good.

KO, Bradley, Gordon, Mozgov, Richardson, Johnson off the bench. Stevens would have a hayday with this roster.

[scotto1205]

Another thing is other than the 17th and the 2 future seconds, you aren't getting rid of any of our future picks and still have this excellent roster. Just saying lol

[Celtics18]

I doubt the Portland or Denver trades happen.  I don't think Denver is that desperate to save a little bit of cap space.

I love the idea for getting rid of Wallace's contract, though.  I mean Philly's so far under the cap that they'll need contracts just to hit the minimum payroll, and they seem to be hoarding draft picks like trolls hoard gold. 

I wouldn't spend the money on Monroe and Hayward, however, but that's a minor detail. 

[scotto1205]

I doubt the Portland or Denver trades happen.  I don't think Denver is that desperate to save a little bit of cap space.

I love the idea for getting rid of Wallace's contract, though.  I mean Philly's so far under the cap that they'll need contracts just to hit the minimum payroll, and they seem to be hoarding draft picks like trolls hoard gold. 

I wouldn't spend the money on Monroe and Hayward, however, but that's a minor detail.

I don't know they have a lot of pretty bad contracts. They could use bogans to move some or just use the money to save themselves some. But how far could this team go? Rondo would be the only starter above 25! That's the one thing I really like about it.

[scotto1205]

Possible stat line for starters

moved to the op.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

I like the gist of this proposal, but I'd forget about going after Monroe and re-sign Humphries

[Clench123]

Seriously the two big time players Danny should do everything to sign are Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love and that is doing it without having to give up Rondo.  Anything else is less satisfying in my opinion.

[chambers]

I appreciate the effort and I like the idea of freeing up space, I don't however like the signings of Monroe and Hayward. The NBA is a stars league and the only star on that roster is Rondo. Are there any other All Stars on that team?

It screams of mediocrity to me.
I'd rather wait and add a piece like Asik as a legitimate defensive presence rather than Monroe who would look nice next to Rondo but doesn't necessarily give us a particular skillet at the 5.
Hayward is the dictionary meaning of mediocre and similarly to Monroe doesn't excel at one particular thing.
 
If we can't trade for a star this offseason how bout waiting till 2015 and the crop of FA's like love, M Gasol, klay Thompson, Aldridge etc...

Don't settle for a team that might get 45 wins and blow all that cap space on guys like Hayward and Monroe. Wait for a legitimate top 15-20 player to give Rondo some star quality help.
No one on that starting 5 is ever a star other than Rondo or maybe sully.

[scotto1205]

I appreciate the effort and I like the idea of freeing up space, I don't however like the signings of Monroe and Hayward. The NBA is a stars league and the only star on that roster is Rondo. Are there any other All Stars on that team?

It screams of mediocrity to me.
I'd rather wait and add a piece like Asik as a legitimate defensive presence rather than Monroe who would look nice next to Rondo but doesn't necessarily give us a particular skillet at the 5.
Hayward is the dictionary meaning of mediocre and similarly to Monroe doesn't excel at one particular thing.
 
If we can't trade for a star this offseason how bout waiting till 2015 and the crop of FA's like love, M Gasol, klay Thompson, Aldridge etc...

Don't settle for a team that might get 45 wins and blow all that cap space on guys like Hayward and Monroe. Wait for a legitimate top 15-20 player to give Rondo some star quality help.
No one on that starting 5 is ever a star other than Rondo or maybe sully.

Hayward and Monroe both could be allstars. They have have posted good stats regardless of being in bad situations. Hayward is only 24 and Monroe 23. A change in environment for them along with being on a great team would make the possible all stars. I don't see mediocrity in that team at all. I think 52-57 wins in the east easy first year.

[PhoSita]

Contender ... for the Atlantic Division, maybe.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Monroe and Sullinger as our bigs still bugs me.

Both are indeed talented offensive players, but Lord, there will be NO rim protection whatsoever.

[Celtics18]

Contender ... for the Atlantic Division, maybe.

Maybe 50 wins and a trip to conference semis (or if all goes well, conference Finals) with a talented and young team.   Upside, upside, upside. 

 

[PhoSita]

Contender ... for the Atlantic Division, maybe.

Maybe 50 wins and a trip to conference semis (or if all goes well, conference Finals) with a talented and young team.   Upside, upside, upside.

If we're going for upside, I think Saric would be a better pick than Gordon.  Saric has more upside offensively, while Gordon projects as a lockdown defender.

What that team really lacks is a high level scorer / playmaker on the wing.  Hayward, Sullinger, and Monroe are all pretty nice complementary scoring options, and we know that Green is a fine auxiliary scorer, too.

That team also lacks a strong defender down low, but I think Sullinger + Monroe could be coached up to play good enough defense to be a net positive.

[Celtics18]

Contender ... for the Atlantic Division, maybe.

Maybe 50 wins and a trip to conference semis (or if all goes well, conference Finals) with a talented and young team.   Upside, upside, upside.

If we're going for upside, I think Saric would be a better pick than Gordon.  Saric has more upside offensively, while Gordon projects as a lockdown defender.

What that team really lacks is a high level scorer / playmaker on the wing.  Hayward, Sullinger, and Monroe are all pretty nice complementary scoring options, and we know that Green is a fine auxiliary scorer, too.

That team also lacks a strong defender down low, but I think Sullinger + Monroe could be coached up to play good enough defense to be a net positive.

I agree about Saric over Gordon.  I actually would start Mozgov at center on that team.  I don't really see a need for Monroe in that case.  We would have three promising young power forwards in Monroe, Sullinger, and Olynyk.

Still, the best part of that whole deal is the freeing up money by selling off Wallace part.  It's by far the best part of scotto's idea.  There are a number of teams that are so far under the minimum payroll going into next year that for them taking on Wallace's contract if they got a nice draft pick (or two) back in return might actually make sense.

I hadn't really thought of that angle or seen it mentioned. 

Kudos to scotto.

[Celtics18]

Wait a second.

Scotto, you got me excited about saving some cap space to make moves this off-season, but in re-looking at it now I'm confused.

How does that Wallace trade save us money this off-season?  I mean, we'd still be taking back contracts.

How do we get rid of Wallace's contract without taking back contracts?  That'd be the trick.

I don't think it's possible.