You say "Trade the pick!" I say, "Uh, for what?"

[nickagneta]

Here's a scenario:

Let's say Memphis misses the playoffs. Memphis is one of the smallest markets in the league and their owners are definitely not big spenders in that they won't go into luxury tax hell for the sake of just investing in getting their mid level Western Conference team into the playoffs. Management may just decide, as long as they already have their season ticket base sold for next season, to blow it up.

This is an interesting scenario.  I like your thinking.

The idea that Memphis would prefer Rondo to Conley and Gasol doesn't make too much sense to me, though.  Rondo is nearly as old as Gasol, and has more significant injury issues.  Why not just trade Gasol for assets and keep Conley?  Conley is a bit younger than Rondo, and he's not quite as good, but he's reasonably close.

Perhaps some sort of 3 team trade where Rondo goes elsewhere and the Grizzlies get a bunch of assets?  That would allow the Grizzlies to truly bottom out.


I like the resulting team for the Cs, though I'm unsure if the upside is really much higher than what the Grizzlies are now.  Still, that would be a fun team to watch.  Stevens would have a field day with that group.

The reason for Memphis to do the trade isn't Rondo so much as its the non-guaranteed contracts and the draft picks. Getting Rondo just allows them to sell jerseys and keep the ticket buying crowd engaged for a year. Rondo is an expiring contract once this year ends. They take Rondo for that as well.

In the East, I think the resulting Celtics team, with a good addition here or there could well be a second round playoff team. And as I said, depending on which picks the C's keep, they could still be looking at some lottery picks to add a possible superstar in the 2016 season.

I would of course find out from Gasol if immediately after the trade he would be willing to sign an extension, if not then I probably don't do the deal. Need to keep Gasol long term.

[indeedproceed]

Armed with a top-5 pick and our future picks/Brooklyn's picks, I don't think there is a single player available beyond our reach if we're willing to pay.

Would the Wolves buy Sullinger and picks for Love? You betcha, if they were resigned to dealing him now, which they're not, at least not to my knowledge.

Same goes for Aldridge, Melo, anyone really. We have the assets to pull off a major trade, the real question is who is selling, and. I don't think there are many good players on the trading block.

[PhoSita]

Armed with a top-5 pick and our future picks/Brooklyn's picks, I don't think there is a single player available beyond our reach if we're willing to pay.

Would the Wolves buy Sullinger and picks for Love? You betcha, if they were resigned to dealing him now, which they're not, at least not to my knowledge.

Same goes for Aldridge, Melo, anyone really. We have the assets to pull off a major trade, the real question is who is selling, and. I don't think there are many good players on the trading block.

Yeah, that's what it really comes down to.  I agree that a pick in the 5-8 range, Sullinger / Olynyk, and some combination of the 1st round picks the Celtics have coming down the pike makes up one of the most competitive trade packages any team in the NBA could field right now, not counting MVP-candidate-caliber players.

My real issue is that I don't see any truly great players being available on the market.  I think there will be moves there to make for second tier guys.  Players that would make the Celtics a clear-cut, middle of the road playoff team for at least the next few years.  But that's aiming low, if you ask me.

[badax33]

Here's my plan/suggestion:
Green and our lottery picks (#5 or worse) to Houston for Asik and Houston picks (25ish).
That gives us a defensive anchor who can play any center, defend the PNR and defend the rim.  It also gives us 2 first round picks.  I think Houston would do it as it gives them a player in Green who shoots the 3, can run, can play multiple positions and 3-4 times a year can carry a team.  It also gives them a lottery pick they can groom.

Next I go after Loul Deng.  He's not very happy in Cleve, I try to work a S&T using our TPE and a first round pick, maybe even give them the pick/picks we have coming from Philly.

Then I tender AB and hope no one gives him a big deal. I'd sign him to a contract 3 years, maybe an option for a 4th at 5-6M.

Then I wait and hope for Minn to implodes next season and try to land KLove.  But even without Love, I have: Asik, Sully, Deng, Rondo and Bradley.  Bass - Olynck - Pressey - Anthony - Wallave - Johnson - Vitor and 2 first round picks - Maybe Kyle Anderson/Staukus/Harris and another rookie.  If we are able to get Love, Sully would most certainly go plus others and draft picks.  Asik - Love - Deng - Bradley and Rondo would be pretty decent.

We'd also need another shooter, preferably a guard. 

Anyway,  it seems that both Asik and Deng are or will be available this summer.  I think, Love will be if Minn gets off to a bad start.  At least, that my plan and rationale.

[Celtics18]

If nobody's dealing, then we don't trade the pick.  If we can get back a top notch center or wing player, then use it.

 

[indeedproceed]

Armed with a top-5 pick and our future picks/Brooklyn's picks, I don't think there is a single player available beyond our reach if we're willing to pay.

Would the Wolves buy Sullinger and picks for Love? You betcha, if they were resigned to dealing him now, which they're not, at least not to my knowledge.

Same goes for Aldridge, Melo, anyone really. We have the assets to pull off a major trade, the real question is who is selling, and. I don't think there are many good players on the trading block.

Yeah, that's what it really comes down to.  I agree that a pick in the 5-8 range, Sullinger / Olynyk, and some combination of the 1st round picks the Celtics have coming down the pike makes up one of the most competitive trade packages any team in the NBA could field right now, not counting MVP-candidate-caliber players.

My real issue is that I don't see any truly great players being available on the market.  I think there will be moves there to make for second tier guys.  Players that would make the Celtics a clear-cut, middle of the road playoff team for at least the next few years.  But that's aiming low, if you ask me.

Yeah, Love is the most likely guy to be moved, and that's me arbitrarily putting those chances at about 15%. It's the smart move, Minnesota can't keep him, but it's a white flag I doubt they're willing to waive.

[HomerSapien]

Here's my plan/suggestion:
Green and our lottery picks (#5 or worse) to Houston for Asik and Houston picks (25ish).
That gives us a defensive anchor who can play any center, defend the PNR and defend the rim.  It also gives us 2 first round picks.  I think Houston would do it as it gives them a player in Green who shoots the 3, can run, can play multiple positions and 3-4 times a year can carry a team.  It also gives them a lottery pick they can groom.

Next I go after Loul Deng.  He's not very happy in Cleve, I try to work a S&T using our TPE and a first round pick, maybe even give them the pick/picks we have coming from Philly.

Then I tender AB and hope no one gives him a big deal. I'd sign him to a contract 3 years, maybe an option for a 4th at 5-6M.

Then I wait and hope for Minn to implodes next season and try to land KLove.  But even without Love, I have: Asik, Sully, Deng, Rondo and Bradley.  Bass - Olynck - Pressey - Anthony - Wallave - Johnson - Vitor and 2 first round picks - Maybe Kyle Anderson/Staukus/Harris and another rookie.  If we are able to get Love, Sully would most certainly go plus others and draft picks.  Asik - Love - Deng - Bradley and Rondo would be pretty decent.

We'd also need another shooter, preferably a guard. 

Anyway,  it seems that both Asik and Deng are or will be available this summer.  I think, Love will be if Minn gets off to a bad start.  At least, that my plan and rationale.

Houston does that trade without even batting an eyelash - that is grand larceny for them.  They trade up into the top 8 by shipping a guy they don't want, plus a late 1st rounder.  One season of Asik is not enough for a top 8 pick.  If there is a way to acquire Deng without trading the lotto pick I'm more inclined to listen.

[Lucky17]

Depending on how the lottery shakes out, I might trade the pick (and perhaps the Nets' pick) for Orlando's two 1st rounders.

My scenario would also be based on the premise that Jabari Parker returns to Duke.

[HomerSapien]

Yeah, Love is the most likely guy to be moved, and that's me arbitrarily putting those chances at about 15%. It's the smart move, Minnesota can't keep him, but it's a white flag I doubt they're willing to waive.

I wonder if Minnesota's desperation to keep Love will create opportunity to steal future assets from them for "win now" chips.  Rondo for Rubio, Dieng, plus pick perhaps?  If Minn can convince him to stay, I think Love gets moved in Jan/Feb.  If they keep him can they offer him a 5 year deal and pay him more in a S&T, or did that go away with the new CBA?

[PhoSita]

Armed with a top-5 pick and our future picks/Brooklyn's picks, I don't think there is a single player available beyond our reach if we're willing to pay.

Would the Wolves buy Sullinger and picks for Love? You betcha, if they were resigned to dealing him now, which they're not, at least not to my knowledge.

Same goes for Aldridge, Melo, anyone really. We have the assets to pull off a major trade, the real question is who is selling, and. I don't think there are many good players on the trading block.

Yeah, that's what it really comes down to.  I agree that a pick in the 5-8 range, Sullinger / Olynyk, and some combination of the 1st round picks the Celtics have coming down the pike makes up one of the most competitive trade packages any team in the NBA could field right now, not counting MVP-candidate-caliber players.

My real issue is that I don't see any truly great players being available on the market.  I think there will be moves there to make for second tier guys.  Players that would make the Celtics a clear-cut, middle of the road playoff team for at least the next few years.  But that's aiming low, if you ask me.

Yeah, Love is the most likely guy to be moved, and that's me arbitrarily putting those chances at about 15%. It's the smart move, Minnesota can't keep him, but it's a white flag I doubt they're willing to waive.

If he gets moved, I'll bet it's at the deadline next year.  Which means the Celts would be keeping the pick for at least a little while and hoping that the player they take has a great first half.

[PhoSita]

Here's my plan/suggestion:
Green and our lottery picks (#5 or worse) to Houston for Asik and Houston picks (25ish).

Love Asik, but that's WAY too much to give up for him.

[Lucky17]

Here's my plan/suggestion:
Green and our lottery picks (#5 or worse) to Houston for Asik and Houston picks (25ish).

Love Asik, but that's WAY too much to give up for him.

Yeah.

Now, if Houston were keen on someone at #18, then maybe nonguaranteed contracts and the #18 for Asik could work.

Edit: actually, that deal would have to happen after July 1, I think. The current year values on those nonguaranteed deals aren't large enough to bring back Asik without crossing the lux tax line (if they work at all).

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

How about Bass, Bogans, and one of our future 1sts of their choice for Asik?

[Rondohara]

The Kevin Love deal is already done. I both hope so and think so. Lots of hints pointing in that direction.

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Quote from: badax33 on Yesterday at 11:24:19 PM

Here's my plan/suggestion:
Green and our lottery picks (#5 or worse) to Houston for Asik and Houston picks (25ish).
That gives us a defensive anchor who can play any center, defend the PNR and defend the rim.  It also gives us 2 first round picks.  I think Houston would do it as it gives them a player in Green who shoots the 3, can run, can play multiple positions and 3-4 times a year can carry a team.  It also gives them a lottery pick they can groom.

Next I go after Loul Deng.  He's not very happy in Cleve, I try to work a S&T using our TPE and a first round pick, maybe even give them the pick/picks we have coming from Philly.

Then I tender AB and hope no one gives him a big deal. I'd sign him to a contract 3 years, maybe an option for a 4th at 5-6M.

Then I wait and hope for Minn to implodes next season and try to land KLove.  But even without Love, I have: Asik, Sully, Deng, Rondo and Bradley.  Bass - Olynck - Pressey - Anthony - Wallave - Johnson - Vitor and 2 first round picks - Maybe Kyle Anderson/Staukus/Harris and another rookie.  If we are able to get Love, Sully would most certainly go plus others and draft picks.  Asik - Love - Deng - Bradley and Rondo would be pretty decent.

We'd also need another shooter, preferably a guard. 

Anyway,  it seems that both Asik and Deng are or will be available this summer.  I think, Love will be if Minn gets off to a bad start.  At least, that my plan and rationale.



Houston does that trade without even batting an eyelash - that is grand larceny for them.  They trade up into the top 8 by shipping a guy they don't want, plus a late 1st rounder.  One season of Asik is not enough for a top 8 pick.  If there is a way to acquire Deng without trading the lotto pick I'm more inclined to listen.

First, I'm not sure that Houston would do that deal.  And I disagree that it's too much for Asik.  Yes, Asik will be a FA in 2015, so we'd have to resign him. just as we'll have to resign Rondo.   Asik, is our rim protector and he's an excellent defensive player.  In fact, I would call him a dominant defensive center, maybe as good a DHoward, although he's limited offensively.  However, he is an excellent rebounder both offensively and defensively.  If we can't pry Love away from Minn, it allows Sully to play his natural PF position.  As for the 5-6 or 7 pick, who do we get?  Wiggins, Parker (if he comes out), Imbiid will all be gone and probably Exum.  So we'd have our choice of Randall, Vonleh, Gordon or Smart - 3 PF and a another PG who's not a good shooter.  And we'd be paying 3+M for that pick in salary.  Also, picking up Asik, might give us the shot at getting Deng who is not happy in Cleveland. 

Now I wouldn't mind Danny swapping the 18th pick, but don't believe that Houston would include the 25 pick in that scenario and Houston might not make the deal at all.