Parker out, Wiggins on his way out.

[nickagneta]

Been saying since the summer that these kids had to be seen under the microscope of the NCAA season before declaring them franchise cornerstone future superstars. Now that the season is over for many of these kids, I think its fairly obvious that most of these kids aren't going to come anywhere near the expectations and hype that so many in the media built these kids up to be.

Also have declared since early on that Wiggins has the same character flaw that Jeff Green has. He doesn't have that competitive need to win at all costs and he doesn't have that constant "on" switch once he is on the floor. He disappears for long stretches of games and for whole games at a time. He doesn't have that aggressiveness that one needs to be a Bird, LeBron, MJ, etc.

He's not at that level and his character flaw will stop him from ever being that.

Embiid is way to raw to project to be great and his back problems have to create uncertainty on him.

Parker is a poor defender and really needs to take better care of his body to be what he can become.

The season is coming to a close and there's probably more questions about these players than when the season started. The hype has been exposed. Now the true scouting and determinations on these kids begin in front offices across the NBA. Teams have real scouting video to study, they have a larger pool of people to contact finding out about what these kids are like off the court and in the locker room,  and they have seen how these kids will react to the exposure of the big time.

[The Rondo Show]

I don't care about the early exit, I would kill to have Parker in green

[Spilling Green Dye]

Fwiw, I was about 850th out of the 3.5 mill in my brackets last year on yahoo, and am about 12,000 right now out of 4.5 mill. My last 4 are all still alive.  I was also 2nd of a bracket of 180 3 years ago. Just saying I might not be a complete fool.

Hahahahahahaha Ok.

I spent like 5 minutes on my bracket and I lucked my way into the 99th percentile on ESPN.  Means nothing.

Yeah I was following Wahz until this comment.  Not b/c he was bragging, but b/c his statement has nothing to do with picking players correctly to play in the NBA.  If anything, it's good teams and not players that advance in the bracket. 

I can see how people like Wahz are not thrilled by some of the top end talent; none of them are without warts.  But in looking at where the players are now at their age its easy to see why an NBA conditioning & training program can mold them into very good to great players.

[D.o.s.]

Been saying since the summer that these kids had to be seen under the microscope of the NCAA season before declaring them franchise cornerstone future superstars. Now that the season is over for many of these kids, I think its fairly obvious that most of these kids aren't going to come anywhere near the expectations and hype that so many in the media built these kids up to be.

Also have declared since early on that Wiggins has the same character flaw that Jeff Green has. He doesn't have that competitive need to win at all costs and he doesn't have that constant "on" switch once he is on the floor. He disappears for long stretches of games and for whole games at a time. He doesn't have that aggressiveness that one needs to be a Bird, LeBron, MJ, etc.

He's not at that level and his character flaw will stop him from ever being that.

Embiid is way to raw to project to be great and his back problems have to create uncertainty on him.

Parker is a poor defender and really needs to take better care of his body to be what he can become.

The season is coming to a close and there's probably more questions about these players than when the season started. The hype has been exposed. Now the true scouting and determinations on these kids begin in front offices across the NBA. Teams have real scouting video to study, they have a larger pool of people to contact finding out about what these kids are like off the court and in the locker room,  and they have seen how these kids will react to the exposure of the big time.

Plagiarizing myself from another thread....

The fact that people got caught up in the "best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies..." part of "The best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies with very high ceilings who will probably be great players in the NBA" shouldn't be a knock on the players in the draft class.

[Moranis]

Been saying since the summer that these kids had to be seen under the microscope of the NCAA season before declaring them franchise cornerstone future superstars. Now that the season is over for many of these kids, I think its fairly obvious that most of these kids aren't going to come anywhere near the expectations and hype that so many in the media built these kids up to be.

Also have declared since early on that Wiggins has the same character flaw that Jeff Green has. He doesn't have that competitive need to win at all costs and he doesn't have that constant "on" switch once he is on the floor. He disappears for long stretches of games and for whole games at a time. He doesn't have that aggressiveness that one needs to be a Bird, LeBron, MJ, etc.

He's not at that level and his character flaw will stop him from ever being that.

Embiid is way to raw to project to be great and his back problems have to create uncertainty on him.

Parker is a poor defender and really needs to take better care of his body to be what he can become.

The season is coming to a close and there's probably more questions about these players than when the season started. The hype has been exposed. Now the true scouting and determinations on these kids begin in front offices across the NBA. Teams have real scouting video to study, they have a larger pool of people to contact finding out about what these kids are like off the court and in the locker room,  and they have seen how these kids will react to the exposure of the big time.

Plagiarizing myself from another thread....

The fact that people got caught up in the "best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies..." part of "The best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies with very high ceilings who will probably be great players in the NBA" shouldn't be a knock on the players in the draft class.

let's also not overstate that can't miss prospects doesn't necessarily mean all time great.  Lebron James and Carmelo Anthony were both can't miss prospects (from the same draft mind you), one is an all time great, and one is a multiple time all star.  Different tiers, but both still can't miss prospects (as was Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Greg Oden (injury), Anthony Davis, etc.).  Wiggins and Parker are both still can't miss prospects, it just appears they probably aren't Lebron James level players (nor probably all that close), but more like guys that will be multiple time all stars (which I and most everyone else believes is the case).  The question is can either be a franchise level player and that is the big unknown.

[manl_lui]

I don't care about the early exit, I would kill to have Parker in green

+1

after seeing most of the lotto picks go - I now put Smart above Wiggins (don't kill me, just my opinion).

I would LOVE to see Parker/Smarts in green...Wiggins and Embiid will have me hold my breath a little, would love the pick don't get me wrong, but would rather have Smart and Parker

I also like Randle and Stein a lot as well

[wahz]

Fwiw, I was about 850th out of the 3.5 mill in my brackets last year on yahoo, and am about 12,000 right now out of 4.5 mill. My last 4 are all still alive.  I was also 2nd of a bracket of 180 3 years ago. Just saying I might not be a complete fool.

Hahahahahahaha Ok.

I spent like 5 minutes on my bracket and I lucked my way into the 99th percentile on ESPN.  Means nothing.

Yeah I was following Wahz until this comment.  Not b/c he was bragging, but b/c his statement has nothing to do with picking players correctly to play in the NBA.  If anything, it's good teams and not players that advance in the bracket. 

I can see how people like Wahz are not thrilled by some of the top end talent; none of them are without warts.  But in looking at where the players are now at their age its easy to see why an NBA conditioning & training program can mold them into very good to great players.

I really wasn't bragging when I was saying I MIGHT not be an idiot:>) I shouldn't have included the bracket info. I know it doesn't mean anything, unless perhaps someone runs in the top .001 for years and years in a row. I did just want to get the point across that many of you are saying: a lot of these top tier guys in the mock drafts, I no longer see very many of them being stars. Would I be shocked if Wiggins ends up being Gerald Green? No. That Parker ends up being average? No. Embiid might go down just because of his health.

Where are the guys who take over games and impose there will? Wiggins in particular looks like he could be a bust. At least Parker looks like he has some desire.

Guys have got to want it. The upper tier guy who plays with the most passion is Randle. And if we got him we are risking that we have once again grabbed an undersized guy. But I would get him anyway now.

[YoungOne87]

I dont want parker he gets subbed for defensive purposes even at the college level

[LarBrd33]

Been saying since the summer that these kids had to be seen under the microscope of the NCAA season before declaring them franchise cornerstone future superstars. Now that the season is over for many of these kids, I think its fairly obvious that most of these kids aren't going to come anywhere near the expectations and hype that so many in the media built these kids up to be.

I don't think that's obvious.  Wiggins had an elite-level Freshman season.  That dude is going to be a star.

[Smokeeye123]

I think it's best to remember that most of these kids are...kids, 18 year olds.

They won't reach their full potential for maybe EIGHT PLUS years!

[BigAlTheFuture]

Really want Wiggins and Embiid to an extent. His injury scares me. Not as high on Parker anymore. He seems like a very good individual player but I don't see him affecting the game in other facets like Wiggins and Embiid will. Despite his up-and-down season, I think Wiggins will be a force in the league. Of course he is a super athlete, but his jump shooting has been surprisingly good. Has really good form and he can only get better. His defense is top-notched. Lockdown D, quick hands, and can alter shots. If he can polish his footwork and playmaking abilities then wow. He has all the tools to be an MVP candidate.

I wouldn't mind Parker or Embiid either, but I really really want Wiggins.
Also want nothing to do with Smart, his skills are far inferior to Wiggins, Embiid, or Parker.

[D.o.s.]

Great related quote from a nice Deadspin article:

http://deadspin.com/marcus-smart-did-the-right-thing-and-look-where-it-go-1546498463

If the patronizing justification of honing your skill in college is a fraud, though, it's not clear that it matters. It's one rationalization for players working for free, and there are always more. Some of them are naked bromides, invoking applause lights like "more prepared" and "more mature" without defining these vague terms of dubious worth. (Was Austin Rivers not mature enough or was he just not that good? And who was unprepared: Hasheem Thabeet, who decided to enter the draft, or the Grizzlies general manager who picked him second overall?)

All of it comes down to this: Players stand to lose millions by shortening their already brief peak earning years, and consequently others stand to gain millions from them doing so. Everyone making dubious claims about why players like Jabari Parker should stay in school—the league that just wants readymade stars, the union that wants less competition for veteran workers, the coaches who want the golden geese to lay as many eggs as possible—is either blatantly self-interested, or echoing the claims of the blatantly self-interested. Before listening to them, Parker should take a long look at Marcus Smart, and take note of just how much he's been rewarded for doing the right thing.

[SHAQATTACK]

Fwiw, I was about 850th out of the 3.5 mill in my brackets last year on yahoo, and am about 12,000 right now out of 4.5 mill. My last 4 are all still alive.  I was also 2nd of a bracket of 180 3 years ago. Just saying I might not be a complete fool.

Hahahahahahaha Ok.

I spent like 5 minutes on my bracket and I lucked my way into the 99th percentile on ESPN.  Means nothing.

Yeah I was following Wahz until this comment.  Not b/c he was bragging, but b/c his statement has nothing to do with picking players correctly to play in the NBA.  If anything, it's good teams and not players that advance in the bracket. 

I can see how people like Wahz are not thrilled by some of the top end talent; none of them are without warts.  But in looking at where the players are now at their age its easy to see why an NBA conditioning & training program can mold them into very good to great players.

I really wasn't bragging when I was saying I MIGHT not be an idiot:>) I shouldn't have included the bracket info. I know it doesn't mean anything, unless perhaps someone runs in the top .001 for years and years in a row. I did just want to get the point across that many of you are saying: a lot of these top tier guys in the mock drafts, I no longer see very many of them being stars. Would I be shocked if Wiggins ends up being Gerald Green? No. That Parker ends up being average? No. Embiid might go down just because of his health.

Where are the guys who take over games and impose there will? Wiggins in particular looks like he could be a bust. At least Parker looks like he has some desire.

Guys have got to want it. The upper tier guy who plays with the most passion is Randle. And if we got him we are risking that we have once again grabbed an undersized guy. But I would get him anyway now.

Agree,  I d take Randle too , if he's available after the top three are gone .  We don't need him exactly , but inside rebounding mobile bigs that can score are valuable...like Milsap are a nice luxury to have and could be trade asset .

Randle isn't shy or afraid to work in the NBA .....I think he gets it .    He has the attitude.

[Mr October]

Been saying since the summer that these kids had to be seen under the microscope of the NCAA season before declaring them franchise cornerstone future superstars. Now that the season is over for many of these kids, I think its fairly obvious that most of these kids aren't going to come anywhere near the expectations and hype that so many in the media built these kids up to be.

Also have declared since early on that Wiggins has the same character flaw that Jeff Green has. He doesn't have that competitive need to win at all costs and he doesn't have that constant "on" switch once he is on the floor. He disappears for long stretches of games and for whole games at a time. He doesn't have that aggressiveness that one needs to be a Bird, LeBron, MJ, etc.

He's not at that level and his character flaw will stop him from ever being that.

Embiid is way to raw to project to be great and his back problems have to create uncertainty on him.

Parker is a poor defender and really needs to take better care of his body to be what he can become.

The season is coming to a close and there's probably more questions about these players than when the season started. The hype has been exposed. Now the true scouting and determinations on these kids begin in front offices across the NBA. Teams have real scouting video to study, they have a larger pool of people to contact finding out about what these kids are like off the court and in the locker room,  and they have seen how these kids will react to the exposure of the big time.

Plagiarizing myself from another thread....

The fact that people got caught up in the "best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies..." part of "The best draft class in years with 6 or 7 ridiculously talented rookies with very high ceilings who will probably be great players in the NBA" shouldn't be a knock on the players in the draft class.

Right. It is still a very good looking draft class, and one of the best in years. I am way into it.

Yet all along i never saw anyone who looked like the next top 10-20 player of all time. Those guys are really rare. There was never a Duncan, Shaq, James consensus can't miss number one guy in this draft. Nor was there a Durant, Anthony Davis or even a Carmelo Anthony.

Freshman centers are super hard to predict, but i think Embiid fits in with Drummond, Cousins, Oden. Wiggins looks like a 19 year old McGrady. Parker looks like a notch below Carmelo or Pierce.

Those are still a top 3 to be excited about. I find them at least as exciting as guys like Blake Griffin, James Harden, Cousins, Wall, And Irving. Maybe Exum belongs in that group too. I haven't seen any of his game action. There aren't just 1 of these guys in the draft. There are 3 or 4 of them!

That is better than being excited about Derrick Favors, Evan Turner, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Waiters, Anthony Bennett, Enes Kanter, Tyreke Evans, Wesley Johnson, Thabeet, Derrick Williams, Tristan Thompson, Cody Zeller, Oladipo, or Otto Porter Jr as your top 4 prospects! And all those names only cover the last 5 drafts!

2014 looks better!

[lightspeed5]

anyone talking smack about parker or wiggins will be popping the cork if we somehow pull off drafting either of these guys.