I don't see how you can characterize that as 'terribly inefficient'.
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So, which Jeff Green are you talking about? The healthy one or the obviously injured one?
Note I said he's "not terribly efficient" not that he's "terribly inefficient." Jeff's a lukewarm cup of tea; not really on one extreme or another.
That's really the point I've always made with Green, by the way -- though it's far from a novel opinion: when Jeff isn't scoring in bunches, either because he's got a favorable speed / size matchup or because he's hot from outside, he doesn't bring much to the table.
The inconsistency of scoring is to be expected because Jeff is just not THAT talented / skilled a scorer, and while he's got great athleticism and uncommon speed for his size, he doesn't often physically overpower opponents, unless there's a really glaring mismatch. I'm not sure that Jeff always brings consistent effort and / or focus, though, particularly on defense, and that troubles me much more.
As for your argument about healthy Green vs unhealthy Green, that seems to be one you're fond of making. Last year it was recovering-from-surgery-Green vs healthy Green. This year he's got a shoulder injury, I guess. Injuries are part of the game, and if Jeff spends substantial portions of each season playing at a lower level, then that's fair to take into account as a weakness of his.
So, because the facts don't suite your assertions, you resort to dismissing their relevance. Okay.
I'm not 'fond' of the _facts_ that Green (a) did indeed miss a whole season after having his chest cut open or that (b) did indeed injure his shoulder this year. They are simply the reality.
As to whether Green should be playing through this particular injury, keep in mind that our only other SF, Wallace, is already lost for the season. I suppose you would prefer we had Chris Johnson and Chris Babb playing all the minutes at SF since, after all, tanking has always been your stated preferred strategy. So you are consistent.
I think you missed his point.
You can't judge a player based solely on how they perform at their peak performance. Over an 82 game season, every player is going to sustain nagging injuries. The ability to sustain a certain level of play as one's body wears down is something that should be evaluated.
Also, I'm not sure that it's fair to blame this January 13 shoulder injury, which was described as a pretty minor thing. Green's FG% has been below 40% for three straight months. Even prior to January 13, his efficiency was pretty spotty. Going back nearly a full month, from December 16 to January 11, Green's FG% was 41.5%. His 3PT% was 30.8% during that stretch (which again, doesn't include any games after January 11, the date of his shoulder injury.)
It seems likely, then, that the shoulder injury isn't the cause of his dip in efficiency.
As Fafnir pointed out earlier, FG% is not really a very useful measure. eFG is a much better barometer of shooting efficiency from the floor.
I think the fact that, as I pointed out earlier, Green's eFG dropped like a rock immediately upon that injury and through the next few weeks is pretty compelling that, yeah, it DID have an effect.
Again, going into that game, Green's eFG was just a hair under 50%. The immediate month-and a half from Dec 1 through Jan 12 it was also 49.8%. So no, it was not already declining.
It dropped to under 40% over the period from that game (1/13) through Feb 2. That's a huge deviation.
That's a good way to deflect the argument.
As I said (and as you failed to respond to), Green's numbers were in decline from around December 16, i.e., a month before he was injured. Rather than address those statistics, you decided to look at his numbers from December 1, which is irrelevant to the argument.
Green's numbers from December 16 to January 13 were 41.5% FG%, 30.8% 3PT%. Those aren't efficient numbers however you slice them (eFG% just being a factor of FG% adjusted for 3PT%... a bad FG% + bad 3PT% = bad eFG%).
Green's decline started a full month before you said it did, and a full month before this injury that allegedly sent him into a multi-month tail spin.
Roy, I don't know why you keep on insisting this, but this is simply not true.
For the month prior (12/16-1/12), sure, his eFG was down slightly, but it was still 46%. That's still within the noise of his overall average eFG going back through the whole prior season. That's fundamentally different from how bad he was for the 11 game stretch starting 1/13.
Let's work forward from Dec 2 in 2-week increments:
For the 6 game span from Dec 2-Dec 15, his eFG was 58.8%.
His eFG for the two weeks prior to that, Dec 16 to Jan 12 was 43.1% - though they didn't play much in that span - just 5 games.
Green's eFG in the 8 game span from Dec 30 to Jan 12 was 47.5%. That's the two-week span right before the injury.
And then, for the next 11 games it dropped to 39%.
So, the first two periods each have a smaller number of games and one is high and the other low but overall, for the 11 game span he was at 51.9%. Then the next 8 games he was at 47.5%.
These numbers are very clear.
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