Celtics actually not 'good enough' with Rondo and Green

[Tr1boy]

Rondo has to figure it out.  He has not had success without the big three.

Next year its his last yr before contract renewal. He will have to play better. Danny will give him a better team

If no progression rondo wont be resigned and traded by next years deadline. Maybe at this rate rondo will be the one who wants out

Rondo has gone from playing with the big three to playing with one of the worst rosters in the game. He is continuing to improve each game he plays. It is difficult to judge his game given how poor this roster is.

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

We have won majority of the games without rondo this year. One would think with  rondo we would do better. The injury excuse is dying game by game

[TwinTower14]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

38 games in his rookie season, 20 game improvement from the previous year without Paul....

[D.o.s.]

I wasn't aware that anyone really expected the C's to be 'good enough.' I think that, had everything broken right (or, not broken right), we could've made the 8th seed.

[TwinTower14]

Rondo has to figure it out.  He has not had success without the big three.

Next year its his last yr before contract renewal. He will have to play better. Danny will give him a better team

If no progression rondo wont be resigned and traded by next years deadline. Maybe at this rate rondo will be the one who wants out

Rondo has gone from playing with the big three to playing with one of the worst rosters in the game. He is continuing to improve each game he plays. It is difficult to judge his game given how poor this roster is.

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

We have won majority of the games without rondo this year. One would think with  rondo we would do better. The injury excuse is dying game by game

been saying this all year, Rondo needs to be surrounded by shooters more than any PG in the league.  This team has zero...

[Donoghus]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

Well, I posed it, didn't I?

Of course, Paul played 78 games that first year and wasn't showing up in the middle of the season coming off on ACL surgery.  But 13 games is 13 games, right?

(Btw, I do think Paul is a superior PG to Rondo.  I just don't think anyone would've done a much better job with this surrounding cast)

[D.o.s.]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

Well, I posed it, didn't I?

Of course, Paul played 78 games that first year and wasn't showing up in the middle of the season coming off on ACL surgery.  But 13 games is 13 games, right?

(Btw, I do think Paul is a superior PG to Rondo.  I just don't think anyone would've done a much better job with this surrounding cast)

Woudn't it make more sense to compare Paul's season after knee surgery with Rondo's? Since they both had knee surgeries in February?

http://bkref.com/tiny/4fboQ

Small sample size with Rondo, obviously, but if anyone has the time they could go through Paul's first 13 games of that season and do the stats work.

[kozlodoev]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

Well, I posed it, didn't I?

Of course, Paul played 78 games that first year and wasn't showing up in the middle of the season coming off on ACL surgery.  But 13 games is 13 games, right?

(Btw, I do think Paul is a superior PG to Rondo.  I just don't think anyone would've done a much better job with this surrounding cast)

13 games is 13 games. But what I've seen in these 13 games is not a stud PG who makes everyone better, but a deliberate, predictable, and inefficient guy who looks to pass on every play because he has no reliable scoring moves.

Perhaps part of it is the injury, but I just don't see the situation translating into him being the best player on a good team. This isn't to say he can't still be valuable. It's just that you have to give him one Kevin Durant in the lineup instead of 4 other Jeff Greens, if you catch my drift.

[nickagneta]

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

No, it really is not. All those teams have significantly more talent than the Celtics have.

Rondo hasn't gotten this team to win because the team stinks. Its being managed from the top to lose and the coach has a farce of an offensive system installed that takes away from Rondo's total effectiveness as a player.

I just do not understand those that are so gung ho to get young, unproven, college players on this team next year and want Rondo gone. Rondo is the exact type player you want running an offense with young players. He will demand they know their roles and he will make them better in every way offensively.

Let Rondo get back to 100% and play a whole preseason and season in a better offensive system and people will see that Rondo is the guy you want around all those unproven rookie and sophomore players that you have been drooling over playing in the NCAA and Europe this year.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo has to figure it out.  He has not had success without the big three.

Next year its his last yr before contract renewal. He will have to play better. Danny will give him a better team

If no progression rondo wont be resigned and traded by next years deadline. Maybe at this rate rondo will be the one who wants out

Rondo has gone from playing with the big three to playing with one of the worst rosters in the game. He is continuing to improve each game he plays. It is difficult to judge his game given how poor this roster is.

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

We have won majority of the games without rondo this year. One would think with  rondo we would do better. The injury excuse is dying game by game

been saying this all year, Rondo needs to be surrounded by shooters more than any PG in the league.  This team has zero...

And a rim protector. Basically a kg, pp and ray allen

Rondo is not a max player. He should of taken the 2 yr offer while he had a chance

[Donoghus]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

Well, I posed it, didn't I?

Of course, Paul played 78 games that first year and wasn't showing up in the middle of the season coming off on ACL surgery.  But 13 games is 13 games, right?

(Btw, I do think Paul is a superior PG to Rondo.  I just don't think anyone would've done a much better job with this surrounding cast)

13 games is 13 games. But what I've seen in these 13 games is not a stud PG who makes everyone better, but a deliberate, predictable, and inefficient guy who looks to pass on every play because he has no reliable scoring moves.

Perhaps part of it is the injury, but I just don't see the situation translating into him being the best player on a good team. This isn't to say he can't still be valuable. It's just that you have to give him one Kevin Durant in the lineup instead of 4 other Jeff Greens, if you catch my drift.

And I would tend to agree.  I've felt that he could be a  #2 guy on a contender but not the proverbial "alpha dog".

He badly needs a scoring wing that can create his own offense.

[Tr1boy]

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

No, it really is not. All those teams have significantly more talent than the Celtics have.

Rondo hasn't gotten this team to win because the team stinks. Its being managed from the top to lose and the coach has a farce of an offensive system installed that takes away from Rondo's total effectiveness as a player.

I just do not understand those that are so gung ho to get young, unproven, college players on this team next year and want Rondo gone. Rondo is the exact type player you want running an offense with young players. He will demand they know their roles and he will make them better in every way offensively.

Let Rondo get back to 100% and play a whole preseason and season in a better offensive system and people will see that Rondo is the guy you want around all those unproven rookie and sophomore players that you have been drooling over playing in the NCAA and Europe this year.

They dont have significantly more talent. Look at their rosters

[LilRip]

Rondo has to figure it out.  He has not had success without the big three.

Next year its his last yr before contract renewal. He will have to play better. Danny will give him a better team

If no progression rondo wont be resigned and traded by next years deadline. Maybe at this rate rondo will be the one who wants out

Rondo has gone from playing with the big three to playing with one of the worst rosters in the game. He is continuing to improve each game he plays. It is difficult to judge his game given how poor this roster is.

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

We have won majority of the games without rondo this year. One would think with  rondo we would do better. The injury excuse is dying game by game

been saying this all year, Rondo needs to be surrounded by shooters more than any PG in the league.  This team has zero...

And a rim protector. Basically a kg, pp and ray allen

Rondo is not a max player. He should of taken the 2 yr offer while he had a chance

i'm pretty sure he could take the place of an Allen (#3), and instead of shooting and spacing, he provides playmaking and defense.

The tricky part is finding the new KG and PP.

[European NBA fan]

You didn't answer my question.  What do you think?

Are you really asking this? Chris Paul won 38 and 39 games in his rookie and sophomore year in Oklahoma with pretty much David West and a collection of spare parts.

Well, I posed it, didn't I?

Of course, Paul played 78 games that first year and wasn't showing up in the middle of the season coming off on ACL surgery.  But 13 games is 13 games, right?

(Btw, I do think Paul is a superior PG to Rondo.  I just don't think anyone would've done a much better job with this surrounding cast)

Woudn't it make more sense to compare Paul's season after knee surgery with Rondo's? Since they both had knee surgeries in February?

http://bkref.com/tiny/4fboQ

Small sample size with Rondo, obviously, but if anyone has the time they could go through Paul's first 13 games of that season and do the stats work.

You have listed the wrong season. Chris Paul was out for less than two months and came back the same season (2009-2010, with significantly worse stats in those final seven games after the injury). Rondo was out for a year.

Chris Paul pre-injury:
20.4 pts / 11.2 assists / 4.6 rebounds / 2.3 steals (50.8 FG%)
Chris Paul post-injury:
9.4 pts / 8.0 assists / 2.4 rebounds / 1.4 steals (40.0 FG%)

[Mr October]

Rondo has to figure it out.  He has not had success without the big three.

Next year its his last yr before contract renewal. He will have to play better. Danny will give him a better team

If no progression rondo wont be resigned and traded by next years deadline. Maybe at this rate rondo will be the one who wants out

Rondo has gone from playing with the big three to playing with one of the worst rosters in the game. He is continuing to improve each game he plays. It is difficult to judge his game given how poor this roster is.

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

We have won majority of the games without rondo this year. One would think with  rondo we would do better. The injury excuse is dying game by game

I know you have been anti rondo for a while, and i am pro rondo. But you are right in that the injury excuse can only go so far. If rondo wants to be the man, the focal point, the leader, the max payed player, he needs to attack the basket.

Watching him setup mediocre shooters with open outside shots is brutal to watch. If rondo requires elite shooters around him, then he celtics need to focus those max contracts on the Kevin love, Bradley beal, Andrew wiggins types.

Perhaps rondo has not been underpaid throughout his current contract. Perhaps 10-12 per year is right on the money. If he doesn't improve much by the end of the year, and doesn't indicate a willingness to sign an extension this summer, i am becoming more open to trading him this summer, or early next season.

I want to see rondo improve and stay. But i can understand your frustration. And i would be very nervous about paying him the max.

[nickagneta]

The lineup is not any worse vs hawks, suns, wizards

No, it really is not. All those teams have significantly more talent than the Celtics have.

Rondo hasn't gotten this team to win because the team stinks. Its being managed from the top to lose and the coach has a farce of an offensive system installed that takes away from Rondo's total effectiveness as a player.

I just do not understand those that are so gung ho to get young, unproven, college players on this team next year and want Rondo gone. Rondo is the exact type player you want running an offense with young players. He will demand they know their roles and he will make them better in every way offensively.

Let Rondo get back to 100% and play a whole preseason and season in a better offensive system and people will see that Rondo is the guy you want around all those unproven rookie and sophomore players that you have been drooling over playing in the NCAA and Europe this year.

They dont have significantly more talent. Look at their rosters

Why is it that when people disagree with you you tell them to watch a game or look at a roster or go see a player?

Do you really think people just make this stuff up about opinions different than yours without seeing teams, rosters or players play?

I have seen the rosters of those teams and I would rather have the roster that those teams have than the Celtics because they have much better and more talent.