Second round/free agent wishlist

[droopdog7]

Anyone have any non-first round guys that they would like see added to this team.  Guys that, are not highly ranked, but you think can turn into something in the NBA.  Or, guys that play for your school, who you follow and love, that you would like on the Celts?

For instance, I am a Cal grad and was pumped when we drafted Powe.  I thought he would bring something and as it turned out, he did.

As for this year, my guy would be James Michael Mcadoo from North Carolina.  Been following for three years.  He has the touch of a bull in a china shop.  But athletically, he is off the charts.  He has an explosive first step and can get to the rim and finish. 

In fact, I would compare him to Leon Powe, in that he is undersized for his position, but he possesses qualities that I think will help him succeed in the NBA.

[HomerSapien]

I'm VERY intrigued by the late 1st/early 2nd round talent in the 2014 draft.  It seems like there are a number of players whose draft ranges are all over the map that I am even more interested in, but for the sake of this discussion I'll go with Cleanthony Early, and CJ Fair.  I don't think any prominent draft site has either projected in the 1st round, but they both strike me as guys that can play in the NBA to some degree.  I could see both guys developing into good NBA bench players, or "glue" starters.

Early, in particular, I'm curious about.  I want to go back and watch a few older Wichita St. games on ESPN3 to solidify my opinion of him (and Wichita St. as a contender in the NCAA tourney).

[RebusRankin]

Glenn Robinson III

[CoachBo]

I'm VERY intrigued by the late 1st/early 2nd round talent in the 2014 draft.  It seems like there are a number of players whose draft ranges are all over the map that I am even more interested in, but for the sake of this discussion I'll go with Cleanthony Early, and CJ Fair.  I don't think any prominent draft site has either projected in the 1st round, but they both strike me as guys that can play in the NBA to some degree.  I could see both guys developing into good NBA bench players, or "glue" starters.

Early, in particular, I'm curious about.  I want to go back and watch a few older Wichita St. games on ESPN3 to solidify my opinion of him (and Wichita St. as a contender in the NCAA tourney).

Having seen several Wichita State games in person, and Early, here's my take on him: He has definite NBA potential at the 3 - or the 2, perhaps. Good solid handle, effective scorer from distance and inside.

He's also a great character guy, not your basic juco - intelligent, well-spoken, very team-oriented - kind of the antithesis of Marcus Smart.

The negatives: He's at times an ambivalent defender, although he has the physical skill to defend in the association - and we all know what an ambivalent defender looks like in green with #9. His attention span wanders.

He's also not a major rebounding force for his size.

I'm intrigued with Early as a big 2, actually.

As for the Shockers, they deserve their ranking. They are as good as anyone in the country in the backcourt, particularly the sophomore point guard Fred VanVleet who plays as aggressively yet close to mistake-free as anyone I've seen in college hoops in the last decade. It will be interesting to see how the 15 fouls they have at the 5 handle a physical opponent in the tournament.

[Mr October]

I dont think picks at the top of the second round will be for sale. Teams value those picks more heavily now. However in the late second round, jordan bachynski looks interesting. He is a big 7-2 mobile shot blocker. If he slips out of the draft i would absolutely invite him to summer league.

[jaketwice]

Nick Stauskas:

44% 3PFG%
55% FG%

Ceiling is Steve Kerr? But man so what! Second round, have him as an 8th/9th man. Whenever you need points, send him in!

[RebusRankin]

Some mocks have Stakus going in the first. Would take him in round 2.

[Celtics4ever]

Cleanthony Early and Nik Stauskas are intriguing to me.

[fitzhickey]

Jahii Carson, and Cleanthony Early. That name is so awesome

[Smitty77]

I'm VERY intrigued by the late 1st/early 2nd round talent in the 2014 draft.  It seems like there are a number of players whose draft ranges are all over the map that I am even more interested in, but for the sake of this discussion I'll go with Cleanthony Early, and CJ Fair.  I don't think any prominent draft site has either projected in the 1st round, but they both strike me as guys that can play in the NBA to some degree.  I could see both guys developing into good NBA bench players, or "glue" starters.

Early, in particular, I'm curious about.  I want to go back and watch a few older Wichita St. games on ESPN3 to solidify my opinion of him (and Wichita St. as a contender in the NCAA tourney).

Having seen several Wichita State games in person, and Early, here's my take on him: He has definite NBA potential at the 3 - or the 2, perhaps. Good solid handle, effective scorer from distance and inside.

He's also a great character guy, not your basic juco - intelligent, well-spoken, very team-oriented - kind of the antithesis of Marcus Smart.

The negatives: He's at times an ambivalent defender, although he has the physical skill to defend in the association - and we all know what an ambivalent defender looks like in green with #9. His attention span wanders.

He's also not a major rebounding force for his size.

I'm intrigued with Early as a big 2, actually.

As for the Shockers, they deserve their ranking. They are as good as anyone in the country in the backcourt, particularly the sophomore point guard Fred VanVleet who plays as aggressively yet close to mistake-free as anyone I've seen in college hoops in the last decade. It will be interesting to see how the 15 fouls they have at the 5 handle a physical opponent in the tournament.

Wow.  I think Wichita State is a nice story and all and had a nice run last year, but come on Coach Bo!!!  They are ranked #15 on the Sagarin computer rankings.  They have NOT played even ONE stinking top 25 team the entire year!!!  Their schedule strength is ranked #129!!!  I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, and I would be very happy and "SHOCKED" to see the Shockers go past the Elite Eight, but I would not take them that far in your brackets!!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Cleanthony Early and Nik Stauskas are intriguing to me.

Nik is slated to go #20 at draftexpress.com and #36 on nbadraft.net.  IMHO, there is NO way that he falls to the second round.  I think that nbadraft.net is WAY OFF on this one!!!!!  If he does, Danny better BUY a second rounder in a hurry and get this kid!!!  He is for real!!!!!  He could be our cheap Gordon Hayward:-)))

Smitty77

[CoachBo]

I'm VERY intrigued by the late 1st/early 2nd round talent in the 2014 draft.  It seems like there are a number of players whose draft ranges are all over the map that I am even more interested in, but for the sake of this discussion I'll go with Cleanthony Early, and CJ Fair.  I don't think any prominent draft site has either projected in the 1st round, but they both strike me as guys that can play in the NBA to some degree.  I could see both guys developing into good NBA bench players, or "glue" starters.

Early, in particular, I'm curious about.  I want to go back and watch a few older Wichita St. games on ESPN3 to solidify my opinion of him (and Wichita St. as a contender in the NCAA tourney).

Having seen several Wichita State games in person, and Early, here's my take on him: He has definite NBA potential at the 3 - or the 2, perhaps. Good solid handle, effective scorer from distance and inside.

He's also a great character guy, not your basic juco - intelligent, well-spoken, very team-oriented - kind of the antithesis of Marcus Smart.

The negatives: He's at times an ambivalent defender, although he has the physical skill to defend in the association - and we all know what an ambivalent defender looks like in green with #9. His attention span wanders.

He's also not a major rebounding force for his size.

I'm intrigued with Early as a big 2, actually.

As for the Shockers, they deserve their ranking. They are as good as anyone in the country in the backcourt, particularly the sophomore point guard Fred VanVleet who plays as aggressively yet close to mistake-free as anyone I've seen in college hoops in the last decade. It will be interesting to see how the 15 fouls they have at the 5 handle a physical opponent in the tournament.

Wow.  I think Wichita State is a nice story and all and had a nice run last year, but come on Coach Bo!!!  They are ranked #15 on the Sagarin computer rankings.  They have NOT played even ONE stinking top 25 team the entire year!!!  Their schedule strength is ranked #129!!!  I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, and I would be very happy and "SHOCKED" to see the Shockers go past the Elite Eight, but I would not take them that far in your brackets!!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/

Smitty77

Could not disagree with you more strongly, and you have fallen entirely into the metric trap when it comes to evaluating basketball talent.

Schedule strength is irrelevant. Jeff Sagarin? Please. There's nothing more irrelevant in the country than computer rankings. You're going to have to do better than that.

Wichita State's backcourt is as good as any in the country. They have a lead scorer at the 4, a lockdown defensive stopper at the 3 and 15 fouls to give at the 5, along with rim protection. They can also go to the bench for a distance shooter and another defensive stopper, in addition to the two extra 5s.

The Shockers are better than they were last year, when they reached the Final Four. The tournament depends largely on draws, but they're a lock to reach the Sweet 16 if they nail down a 1 seed in the Valley tournament.

Where Wichita State is vulnerable is against a physical team inside - potentially. Beyond that, they will be as difficult an out in the tournament as anyone in the country. You want to be careful falling victim to the national hype. The eyes don't lie with Wichita State.

[Fafnir]

There is nothing more irrelevant from using a tool to evaluate the greater pool of data than a human brain can receive, let alone process? Uh okay....

Strength of schedule absolutely matters too, who you're playing defines your expectations and how hard you're pushed.

[CoachBo]

There is nothing more irrelevant from using a tool to evaluate the greater pool of data than a human brain can receive, let alone process? Uh okay....

Strength of schedule absolutely matters too, who you're playing defines your expectations and how hard you're pushed.

If lazy talent evaluators want to rely on flawed metrics such as Sagarin's poll, that's their thing. You do know, right, the joke that Sagarin is in college football?

And no, strength of schedule is another tool of the lazy - talent prevails, every time.

If people don't want to watch the sport, and if they want to rely on the inherent flaws of sabremetrics, OK by me. Or worse, listen to national pundits who don't watch the games either. Doug Gottlieb comes immediately to mind. Rare has a national pundit known so little about so much.

I prefer to watch the games - and watch the teams - since there isn't a sabremetrician, or a computer nerd, on Earth who can account for intangibles. Perhaps when they figure out a way to measure court vision, hustle, intensity, desire, etc., I'll take them seriously. For now, the numbers nuts - and the people who quote them as gospel - don't get taken seriously here.

For example, Kansas is a bad matchup inside for Wichita State with Ellis and Embiid. The Shockers are far superior to Kansas in the backcourt, and a far superior defensive team to Kansas, including the defensive capability to take Andrew Wiggins out of the game - which admittedly isn't that difficult. Interesting game, that would be, yet the numbers nuts would rush to Vegas on a fool's errand and bet the house on Kansas.

To each their own. However, if you want me to take you seriously about Wichita State, bring me a talent-based reason. The metrics just make me laugh.

[CFAN38]

I'm VERY intrigued by the late 1st/early 2nd round talent in the 2014 draft.  It seems like there are a number of players whose draft ranges are all over the map that I am even more interested in, but for the sake of this discussion I'll go with Cleanthony Early, and CJ Fair.  I don't think any prominent draft site has either projected in the 1st round, but they both strike me as guys that can play in the NBA to some degree.  I could see both guys developing into good NBA bench players, or "glue" starters.

Early, in particular, I'm curious about.  I want to go back and watch a few older Wichita St. games on ESPN3 to solidify my opinion of him (and Wichita St. as a contender in the NCAA tourney).

I agree with Early and Fair both will be guys who go late first or early 2nd and should have nice NBA careers. I would also add these seniors to this list

Patrick Young, seems like a smaller more athletic Perk. Doesn't have great hands and moves laterally like a C not PF but is really strong and plays with great energy.

Dwight Powell, fills the stat sheet and has good size at PF

Markel Brown, seems to me like a TA without the defensive focus. Super athletic and progressively getting better as a shooter. If he commits to being a lock down perimeter D guy he could be a steal.

Cory Jefferson, great physical profile.Long and super athletic