Rumor: Hawks looking to get Jeff Green

[JBcat]

This might be a hard trade match with just 2 teams involved.  It might be easier to include a 3rd team like Ainge's last 2 deals.

[Depalma2002]

I gotta think Green is worth more than a first round pick in the 15-25 range. He is probably the 15th best small forward in the nba, in other words he is an average starter, a very good role player.

I need either 2 lottery protected firsts, or one lottery protected first and a raw prospect, or a single unprotected draft pick in return for jeff green.

If i cant get that, i would just keep him. I dont like the idea of dumping a good player for nothing.

Totally agree

[Depalma2002]

may have already been done but http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n2jm84u

and the rights to Lucas Nogueira. no picks either way or us getting the Nets swap rights from them, either way is fine by me.

I like it, I'd want the rigthrs to swap the picks tho for this year.(the nets and hawks picks) throw in Bass or faveroni cause they need a big man after trading Ayrin.

throw in a big man? they can have Antony for there trade exception and one of those super protected second round picks that never actually change hands

I would like it if it were possible but they have a disable player exception not a trade exception. It's more limited. The only contracts they can trade for using the exception are expiring contracts.

[BballTim]

I'm actually inclined to think Ainge would take back Lou Williams to keep ATL happy about giving up a pick or Schroeder.

Something like:

Green+
2nd round pick (76ers)+
2016 2nd round pick
+Phil Pressey.

for

Lou Williams+
Elton Brand+
Schroeder or 2014 first round pick.

Hawks fans want Williams gone.
They also need a better SF than Carroll and Green is good value at 9 million. The comparisons of Carroll to Green are laughable as overall players and Ferry would know this. Green takes pressure off Millsap and expires just a season later.
Danny loves taking guys like Williams back in trades and turning them into assets. Williams at $5 million should be relatively easy to move like Courtney Lee or Jordan Crawford and he'll be an expiring next year.

Essentially sending them Jeff Green and 2 second rounders for Schroder or a mid first rounder.
We take back Williams who's still a decent trade asset and they take Green's salary off our hands when we are trying to lose as many games as possible.

We get the PERFECT trainee for Rondo, locked up for multiple years in Schroeder. We get a great trade asset in Lou Williams (who's expiring next season), and we get Brand's expiring $4 million coming off the books.
We lose Green's 9 million and find a replacement in the draft.

Just gonna be hard convincing ATL fans to give up Schroeder or the first round pick- that's why the two 2nd rounders are a must.

  I don't think those deals really make the Celts a better basketball team. Also, he's not going to structure his trade offer to appease some Hawks fans, even if they are an endangered species.

I'm not sure why making us a better team has got anything to do with this scenario. Were Pierce and KG being traded away meant to make us a better team Tim? Or was there a bigger long term picture in play?

  Of course the PP/KG trade was meant to make us a better team. Not this year, but over the next 10+ years.

[317]

may have already been done but http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n2jm84u

and the rights to Lucas Nogueira. no picks either way or us getting the Nets swap rights from them, either way is fine by me.

I like it, I'd want the rigthrs to swap the picks tho for this year.(the nets and hawks picks) throw in Bass or faveroni cause they need a big man after trading Ayrin.

throw in a big man? they can have Antony for there trade exception and one of those super protected second round picks that never actually change hands

I would like it if it were possible but they have a disable player exception not a trade exception. It's more limited. The only contracts they can trade for using the exception are expiring contracts.

oh. i was wondering why they had an exception listed for Horford.

[ssspence]

I'm actually inclined to think Ainge would take back Lou Williams to keep ATL happy about giving up a pick or Schroeder.

Nope -- the whole point of Ainge dealing Green is to clear his salary. You basically have Ainge paying $5.5mil next year (Williams salary) for a pick around 20... when he already has picks. The flexibility is more valuable.

Presumably Ainge's goal is to get two pieces: a) an expiring contract, and b) either a pick or a young player on rookie contract (for the sake of argument here, Schroeder). I also presume he's only gotten half that offer yet... the expiring... or Green would have been traded already, just as Courtney Lee was. 

Ainge knows offers will likely improve a little before the deadline, so he'll wait and see if he can squeeze out a pick or a rookie contract player before the deadline by shopping the Hawks (or anyone else's) offer around to other teams to see if they bite before 2/20.

If not, I bet he'll ship Green for the expiring alone.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'm actually inclined to think Ainge would take back Lou Williams to keep ATL happy about giving up a pick or Schroeder.

Nope -- the whole point of Ainge dealing Green is to clear his salary. You basically have Ainge paying $5.5mil next year (Williams salary) for a pick around 20... when he already has picks. The flexibility is more valuable.

Presumably Ainge's goal is to get two pieces: a) an expiring contract, and b) either a pick or a young player on rookie contract (for the sake of argument here, Schroeder). I also presume he's only gotten half that offer yet... the expiring... or Green would have been traded already, just as Courtney Lee was. 

Ainge knows offers will likely improve a little before the deadline, so he'll wait and see if he can squeeze out a pick or a rookie contract player before the deadline by shopping the Hawks (or anyone else's) offer around to other teams to see if they bite before 2/20.

If not, I bet he'll ship Green for the expiring alone.

I think it's pretty close to a lock that Green is moved in some deal, but no chance Ainge simply dumps him for an expiring.

[GreenWarrior]

if we are sellers who are "actively shopping jeff green" hard. and Atlanta is interested then why hasn't it gotten done?

[clover]

Looks like it's good someone is interested in Green:

"There has been discussion about Jeff Green, too, but his contract (two more years at $19 million total) makes him difficult to move."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-10/boston-celtics-brandon-bass-trade-rumors-deadline-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-charlotte-bobcats?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[kozlodoev]

Looks like it's good someone is interested in Green:

"There has been discussion about Jeff Green, too, but his contract (two more years at $19 million total) makes him difficult to move."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-10/boston-celtics-brandon-bass-trade-rumors-deadline-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-charlotte-bobcats?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I find it hilarious how Bass' contract is "reasonable", but Green's is "hard to move". SN's sources are seemingly worthless.

[pearljammer10]

Looks like it's good someone is interested in Green:

"There has been discussion about Jeff Green, too, but his contract (two more years at $19 million total) makes him difficult to move."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-10/boston-celtics-brandon-bass-trade-rumors-deadline-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-charlotte-bobcats?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I find it hilarious how Bass' contract is "reasonable", but Green's is "hard to move". SN's sources are seemingly worthless.

Yeah I dont get this either. Green is on a fairly reasonable contract for his production and what he would give to another team.

[saltlover]

Looks like it's good someone is interested in Green:

"There has been discussion about Jeff Green, too, but his contract (two more years at $19 million total) makes him difficult to move."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-10/boston-celtics-brandon-bass-trade-rumors-deadline-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-charlotte-bobcats?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I find it hilarious how Bass' contract is "reasonable", but Green's is "hard to move". SN's sources are seemingly worthless.

Yeah I dont get this either. Green is on a fairly reasonable contract for his production and what he would give to another team.

I think it depends on whether or not you think Green is picking up his player option.  If he doesn't, it's one year after this year, the same as Bass's contract, and so probably is just as reasonable.

If he does pick up the option, then it's two years after this one, and becomes a bit more burdensome.  The thing is, if Green picks up his player option, it means he thinks he's being overpaid and isn't going to get nearly as much on his next deal.  So if you think Green is going to pick up the option, it means that you probably think he's very overpaid, and so it's a bad deal.  Accordingly, if SI sources are saying he's got two years, $19 million left, they're probably in the anti-Green camp.  If they think he's only on the books for one more year, then they're in the pro-Green camp.

[LooseCannon]

The only reason I could imagine Ainge wanting to salary dump Jeff Green for an expiring contract instead of getting more in return is if he wants to free up payroll to sign Avery Bradley to a long-term deal.  If Ainge is shopping Green hard, it could be that he sees Rondo, Sullinger, and Bradley as more important to the team's future core than Green.

I look at Green's contract as similar to Kris Humphries.  I think it was a bit of an overpay to preserve a salary slot and the long-term goal was that Green would be a useful trade piece when he is an expiring contract. 

[BleedGreen1989]

Here's a question I asked to Basketballinsiders.com regarding Green...

Steve,
It’s no secret Ainge is looking to deal at least one of Jeff Green, Brandon Bass, and Kris Humphries.
Green seems like the most likely as he is the most talented and may bring something decent.
Are Boston fans being unrealistic to expect a mid-first and/or a prospect for Green?

Steve Kyler

Yes… I think anyone expected first round picks in any deal needs to realize the really good teams have already traded their picks. The teams with picks are bad teams and they are not going to give up whats likely to be good rookie scale players for overpriced veterans.
The teams that want those kinds of players don’t have the assets to get them. The teams with those kinds of assets don’t want those kinds of players.

[kozlodoev]

Looks like it's good someone is interested in Green:

"There has been discussion about Jeff Green, too, but his contract (two more years at $19 million total) makes him difficult to move."
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-10/boston-celtics-brandon-bass-trade-rumors-deadline-phoenix-suns-golden-state-warriors-charlotte-bobcats?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I find it hilarious how Bass' contract is "reasonable", but Green's is "hard to move". SN's sources are seemingly worthless.

Yeah I dont get this either. Green is on a fairly reasonable contract for his production and what he would give to another team.

I think it depends on whether or not you think Green is picking up his player option.  If he doesn't, it's one year after this year, the same as Bass's contract, and so probably is just as reasonable.

If he does pick up the option, then it's two years after this one, and becomes a bit more burdensome.  The thing is, if Green picks up his player option, it means he thinks he's being overpaid and isn't going to get nearly as much on his next deal.  So if you think Green is going to pick up the option, it means that you probably think he's very overpaid, and so it's a bad deal.  Accordingly, if SI sources are saying he's got two years, $19 million left, they're probably in the anti-Green camp.  If they think he's only on the books for one more year, then they're in the pro-Green camp.

Players pick up their options all the time without necessarily being grossly overpaid -- this may be due to anything including expecting to have a better season next year, being in a good situation, or simply not leaving money on the table.

I don't see how anyone who has good knowledge of the NBA can think that a reasonably productive player who has a 2-year commitment (at less than $10 per) that expires before he's 30 can be "hard to move". But that's just what I think.