Rumor: Hawks looking to get Jeff Green

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So Jeff Teague and Mack for Jeff Green and their number one ( right now 16)  is what I would ask for folks. 

We have a winner for most absurdly lopsided trade idea of 2013-14.

If the Cs get an expiring contract and any kind of meaningful asset combined for Green, I'll be pleasantly surprised. There is a very limited market for this player -- 2-3 teams max.

[PhoSita]

You'd be amazed at the value Jeff Green has outside of Boston.

People offering Ben Gordon and a 2nd rounder.

Some ATL fans saying they wouldn't give up Carroll and Brand, let alone a pick or DS.

Brand and Carroll aren't assets, they are just cap numbers. Hawks fans probably don't understand that the same way that Celtics fans don't understand it about Jeff Green.

Jeff Green has some value... a little. He's not a bargain.

I think that if we shed Green's contract and Lucas Noguiera, Dennis Schroeder, or a 1st rounder comes back, that's a hell of a deal.

Yup.  Fans overvalue their own players.

I agree with your assessment of a potential return for Green.

[nostar]

Green is valuable. To think he's not is silly. He's on a very average contract relative to his production, he's a good guy in the locker room and he's still relatively young. He's also becoming more consistent than he's ever been. Sure he lays a stinker here and there but his per-36 numbers aren't that much different than Nic Batum and he makes 2.6M less than him. Granted Batum is younger and slightly more productive but still, not a far cry.

Now from reading some of the posts in this thread I'd say that people both over and undervalue him. Thinking we can get Horford is laughable, and I mean that, Ainge would get laughed at. On the other hand thinking that we'd trade Green for a glorified salary dump (Ben Gordon) is equally laughable. He's probably worth a non-lottery 1st right now, maybe late lottery to a team who has no viable SF. I think if Atlanta was offering their 1st this season Green would have already been gone. Getting Schroder and a 1st is probablyt the ceiling on this deal. If Ainge gets offered a first and anything not toxic I think this deal gets done.

And to be honest I'm actually sort of hoping it does. I like Jeff Green but I'm hoping to open up our starting SF spot for a young guy, last name Parker.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n8gqzhw

If Ainge gets Schroder and a 1st I'd be overjoyed. I'd take Carrol and the 1st though.

[PhoSita]

Green is valuable. To think he's not is silly.

Is Green really all that valuable?  He's fairly productive as a wing scorer -- most wings who score at a higher rate cost more, are on rookie deals, or else are pretty poor defenders.

However, he doesn't do much else well.  He doesn't rebound much, he's not a playmaker, he doesn't force turnovers very often, he doesn't protect the rim.  He's also not even a particularly efficient scorer.


If you want a wing who can give you 15-16 points a game without dominating the ball and also play adequate to pretty decent perimeter defense, Green is a decent deal at $9 million a year. 

The thing is, your $9 million would probably net you a more valuable player if you spent it elsewhere. 

DeMarre Carroll, who is being laughed at on this forum as the prospective replacement for Green in a rumored trade with Atlanta, is far more of a bargain than Green at $2.5 million a year -- and he has a substantially higher career WS/48.


Honestly, that's why Hawks fans would be right to feel that the rumored trade is a bad one for their team, especially if the Celtics asked for a pick in addition to the package of Carroll and Brand.

[Lucky17]

DeMarre Carroll, who is being laughed at on this forum as the prospective replacement for Green in a rumored trade with Atlanta, is far more of a bargain than Green at $2.5 million a year -- and he has a substantially higher career WS/48.

Honestly, that's why Hawks fans would be right to feel that the rumored trade is a bad one for their team, especially if the Celtics asked for a pick in addition to the package of Carroll and Brand.

I pointed the same out earlier. The difference in offensive production between Carroll and Green is not that great. And Carroll is arguably the better defender.

[PhoSita]

DeMarre Carroll, who is being laughed at on this forum as the prospective replacement for Green in a rumored trade with Atlanta, is far more of a bargain than Green at $2.5 million a year -- and he has a substantially higher career WS/48.

Honestly, that's why Hawks fans would be right to feel that the rumored trade is a bad one for their team, especially if the Celtics asked for a pick in addition to the package of Carroll and Brand.

I pointed the same out earlier. The difference in offensive production between Carroll and Green is not that great. And Carroll is arguably the better defender.

Yup, and Carroll only takes about 9 shots a game, while Jeff takes 13.5.  If Carroll took 2-3 more shots a game suddenly his scoring production would be fairly close to Jeff's.

[bleedGREENdon]

So Jeff Teague and Mack for Jeff Green and their number one ( right now 16)  is what I would ask for folks. 

We have a winner for most absurdly lopsided trade idea of 2013-14.

If the Cs get an expiring contract and any kind of meaningful asset combined for Green, I'll be pleasantly surprised. There is a very limited market for this player -- 2-3 teams max.

Then you keep jeff green

People are forgetting that Jeff greens contract isn't any where near a Max deal or any where near a bad contract. He actually comes to play against the best teams, with a good locker room and winning team and environment green would put his best foot forward. Danny knows this and will not just give green away. We could've traded green for josh smith who is arguably one of the most talented players in the league, and Danny didn't do it. He isn't going to trade him for DeMarre Carroll.

We traded Jordan Crawford for possibly a 1st round pick/2 2nds and a player who will be an expiring next year.

Your gonna tell me JEFF GREEN isn't worth that? ****.

The hate on celtics blog for Jeff green is terrible, this same man, always has career games against the two time defending champs. This same man can drop 30points on any given night, this same man has great athletisism, this same man is also a very underrated defender and is 6'8.

Stop the nonsense that we couldn't get 2 1st round swaps and an expiring.

If we don't then I see Danny keeping Jeff Green because were going to get raped with no Vaseline.
The same people probably think rondo for Jeff Teague is a good trade smh.

[LilRip]

I like the carroll brand and 1st round pick idea. If we can get schroeder as well, even more so. Get it done Danny!

[PhoSita]

People are forgetting that Jeff greens contract isn't any where near a Max deal or any where near a bad contract.

It's not a max deal, nor is it a "bad" contract in the sense that he's a reasonably productive player who may have value to some teams at his present salary.

His value to this Celtics team is not that great, however.  On a rebuilding team it doesn't make sense to tie up starter minutes and nearly $10 million a year in a role player like that.

[aporel#18]

Trade deadline can't come soon enough.

[Quetzalcoatl]

DeMarre Carroll, who is being laughed at on this forum as the prospective replacement for Green in a rumored trade with Atlanta, is far more of a bargain than Green at $2.5 million a year -- and he has a substantially higher career WS/48.

Honestly, that's why Hawks fans would be right to feel that the rumored trade is a bad one for their team, especially if the Celtics asked for a pick in addition to the package of Carroll and Brand.

I pointed the same out earlier. The difference in offensive production between Carroll and Green is not that great. And Carroll is arguably the better defender.

Yup, and Carroll only takes about 9 shots a game, while Jeff takes 13.5.  If Carroll took 2-3 more shots a game suddenly his scoring production would be fairly close to Jeff's.

I just read a bunch of the Hawks blogs to see what they were saying and it was all basically "we don't want Green when Carroll is cheaper and has a higher ceiling."  None of them seem remotely interested in Green. 

My take on Green is this: he's better than Rudy Gay, but I mean that insultingly

[SparzWizard]

Sure I'll do it for Al Horford.

[Endless Paradise]

So Jeff Teague and Mack for Jeff Green and their number one ( right now 16)  is what I would ask for folks. 

We have a winner for most absurdly lopsided trade idea of 2013-14.

If the Cs get an expiring contract and any kind of meaningful asset combined for Green, I'll be pleasantly surprised. There is a very limited market for this player -- 2-3 teams max.

Then you keep jeff green

People are forgetting that Jeff greens contract isn't any where near a Max deal or any where near a bad contract. He actually comes to play against the best teams, with a good locker room and winning team and environment green would put his best foot forward. Danny knows this and will not just give green away. We could've traded green for josh smith who is arguably one of the most talented players in the league, and Danny didn't do it. He isn't going to trade him for DeMarre Carroll.

We traded Jordan Crawford for possibly a 1st round pick/2 2nds and a player who will be an expiring next year.

Your gonna tell me JEFF GREEN isn't worth that? ****.

The hate on celtics blog for Jeff green is terrible, this same man, always has career games against the two time defending champs. This same man can drop 30points on any given night, this same man has great athletisism, this same man is also a very underrated defender and is 6'8.

Stop the nonsense that we couldn't get 2 1st round swaps and an expiring.

If we don't then I see Danny keeping Jeff Green because were going to get raped with no Vaseline.
The same people probably think rondo for Jeff Teague is a good trade smh.

That's nice that Green seems to get up to play against Miami 3-4 times a season.  Unfortunately, there are at least 78 other games that need to be played in a season and if you think a few 30-point outings more than make up for the more frequent 8, 10, 12, 13, etc. games, then lol.

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Unless we get a really good offer for Green (expiring contracts don't do it for me, unless Wallace is packaged with him, since Green isn't breaking our bank at all), I see him still here. Yes, for the tank express, we should trade him, but who knows where we will pick this year. We might not even end up with a player as good as Green in the draft. I don't think Carroll, a mid-1st round pick, and an expiring contract are enough. Green is a valuable player. Same with Bass. We shouldn't be giving these guys away.

[Boris Badenov]

Green is valuable. To think he's not is silly.

Is Green really all that valuable?  He's fairly productive as a wing scorer -- most wings who score at a higher rate cost more, are on rookie deals, or else are pretty poor defenders.

However, he doesn't do much else well.  He doesn't rebound much, he's not a playmaker, he doesn't force turnovers very often, he doesn't protect the rim.  He's also not even a particularly efficient scorer.


If you want a wing who can give you 15-16 points a game without dominating the ball and also play adequate to pretty decent perimeter defense, Green is a decent deal at $9 million a year. 

The thing is, your $9 million would probably net you a more valuable player if you spent it elsewhere. 

DeMarre Carroll, who is being laughed at on this forum as the prospective replacement for Green in a rumored trade with Atlanta, is far more of a bargain than Green at $2.5 million a year -- and he has a substantially higher career WS/48.


Honestly, that's why Hawks fans would be right to feel that the rumored trade is a bad one for their team, especially if the Celtics asked for a pick in addition to the package of Carroll and Brand.

You're on the money here Pho IMO. Your posts on this page saved me the trouble of posting the same thing. TP.

I think if we can get rid of Green and get back a lesser salary commitment and swap rights for BKN's picks in 2014/2015 (with ATL in 2014 and LAC in 2015), I do the deal. I'd even do it just for swap rights in 2015 - ATL sends us the better of theirs or BKN's pick, as long as that's better than the LAC pick...