Loul Deng on the state of the Cavs

[Monkhouse]

Seriously. Why don't they hire George Karl?

George Karl would be a great fit in terms of trying to motivate everyone for a playoff push.  I guess his reputation is that he eventually burns his guys out, but that's only after inspiring him.

I think Lionel Hollins would be a pretty good fit, too.  He's the type of guy who would tell management to pound sand, and that's exactly what that franchise needs right now.

I do agree though George Karl would be a great fit for the Cavs.

Interesting facts for anyone who doesn't know George Karl.

FACT: George Karl has more wins than any active coach in the League.
FACT: He coached the Sonics to the NBA Finals in 96.
FACT: George Karl is the 11th coach in NBA history to reach 1,000 wins.

I actually would've loved George Karl on our team coaching us. He seems to favor vets more, but he also makes sure rookies understand that they need to earn minutes just like Doc.

[LarBrd33]

It’s been a true culture shock for Luol Deng since he’s been a Cleveland Cavalier over the past 26 days. Not in a good way, either.

Deng has seen how a team mired in losing since LeBron James left town wrongly caters to its young star players, even as they continue to undermine head coach Mike Brown at almost every turn. In Chicago, where Deng broke in and played nine-plus seasons, there is a winning culture where players are expected to act like professionals and understand that they will suffer the consequences if they step out of line.

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess."

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday’s game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks. Brown isn’t getting much help from GM Chris Grant, who is expected to be fired at season’s end because of the losing and problems in the locker room.

The Cavs were supposed to challenge for a playoff spot, but not to worry. All the losing isn’t keeping them from having a good time. During their trip to New York, several players enjoyed themselves immensely the night before the game against the Knicks, partying into the wee hours with J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, and other NFL players. Their late-night/early morning carousing played a factor when they didn’t even try in their blow-out loss to the Knicks.

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, has no ability to orchestrate a offense, players suck, and management is horrible. Not to mention their FO should be fired. Kyrie Irving was supposed to be the franchise player, and leader, but he clearly can't do any of that.

From top to bottom this might be the worst franchise in the NBA. Do people wonder why Lebron ever left?

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, players suck, management sucks. From top to bottom this is one of the worst franchises in the NBA.

The only thing I fault Lebron for is making a silly TV about his free agency and that stupid celebration he had with Bosh and Wade. As far as the move to Miami, he was right.

But because he's been so dominant in recent years, he could've won a least one championship, but would it really be worth it all? None of us want to work for a terrible employer, or business.

And Lebron, considered the best basketball player prospect coming out of high school, spent so many years... That he finally realized that.

Obviously, the thing that kept him committed to Cleveland was probably the fans and that it was his home town. Other than that I do feel some pity and sorrow for the fans that constantly pray that they may see the ring. But I think just like Lebron, their left out in the rain.

Also, the city sucks.  I spent a few days there for business and was bored out of my mind.  I asked 8 different locals what to do there and they all gave me the exact same answer "Well uh... there's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... and umm... I think the Indians are in town".

This was before LeBron left.. I left that city 100% convinced he was leaving them.  Also, the fans are a bunch of little punks.  I had no sympathy for them.

[Monkhouse]

It’s been a true culture shock for Luol Deng since he’s been a Cleveland Cavalier over the past 26 days. Not in a good way, either.

Deng has seen how a team mired in losing since LeBron James left town wrongly caters to its young star players, even as they continue to undermine head coach Mike Brown at almost every turn. In Chicago, where Deng broke in and played nine-plus seasons, there is a winning culture where players are expected to act like professionals and understand that they will suffer the consequences if they step out of line.

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess."

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday’s game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks. Brown isn’t getting much help from GM Chris Grant, who is expected to be fired at season’s end because of the losing and problems in the locker room.

The Cavs were supposed to challenge for a playoff spot, but not to worry. All the losing isn’t keeping them from having a good time. During their trip to New York, several players enjoyed themselves immensely the night before the game against the Knicks, partying into the wee hours with J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, and other NFL players. Their late-night/early morning carousing played a factor when they didn’t even try in their blow-out loss to the Knicks.

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, has no ability to orchestrate a offense, players suck, and management is horrible. Not to mention their FO should be fired. Kyrie Irving was supposed to be the franchise player, and leader, but he clearly can't do any of that.

From top to bottom this might be the worst franchise in the NBA. Do people wonder why Lebron ever left?

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, players suck, management sucks. From top to bottom this is one of the worst franchises in the NBA.

The only thing I fault Lebron for is making a silly TV about his free agency and that stupid celebration he had with Bosh and Wade. As far as the move to Miami, he was right.

But because he's been so dominant in recent years, he could've won a least one championship, but would it really be worth it all? None of us want to work for a terrible employer, or business.

And Lebron, considered the best basketball player prospect coming out of high school, spent so many years... That he finally realized that.

Obviously, the thing that kept him committed to Cleveland was probably the fans and that it was his home town. Other than that I do feel some pity and sorrow for the fans that constantly pray that they may see the ring. But I think just like Lebron, their left out in the rain.

Also, the city sucks.  I spent a few days there for business and was bored out of my mind.  I asked 8 different locals what to do there and they all gave me the exact same answer "Well uh... there's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... and umm... I think the Indians are in town".

This was before LeBron left.. I left that city 100% convinced he was leaving them.  Also, the fans are a bunch of little punks.  I had no sympathy for them.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. I went to Cleveland for a business trip at a job I was working at the time, nothing crazy, and everything was paid expenses. Dinner, plane ticket, with the addition that my friend and I would be able to buy/order whatever we wanted as long as it was under 100, and we just had to show the receipt.

We went to Parnell's Irish pub, and holy moly! It sucked! I hated the atmosphere, everyone there were completely boring. I talked to a few local girls there, and they seemed incredibly stuck up! Even the bar tender gave us looks after she noticed we were tourists. Like really?

The entire trip I felt uncomfortable. Tourists are treated extremely rudely, and it made us want to stay inside for the duration of the conference the rest of the few days we were staying.

From then on, Cleveland would be the last place I'll ever visit.

[manl_lui]

It’s been a true culture shock for Luol Deng since he’s been a Cleveland Cavalier over the past 26 days. Not in a good way, either.

Deng has seen how a team mired in losing since LeBron James left town wrongly caters to its young star players, even as they continue to undermine head coach Mike Brown at almost every turn. In Chicago, where Deng broke in and played nine-plus seasons, there is a winning culture where players are expected to act like professionals and understand that they will suffer the consequences if they step out of line.

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess."

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday’s game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks. Brown isn’t getting much help from GM Chris Grant, who is expected to be fired at season’s end because of the losing and problems in the locker room.

The Cavs were supposed to challenge for a playoff spot, but not to worry. All the losing isn’t keeping them from having a good time. During their trip to New York, several players enjoyed themselves immensely the night before the game against the Knicks, partying into the wee hours with J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, and other NFL players. Their late-night/early morning carousing played a factor when they didn’t even try in their blow-out loss to the Knicks.

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, has no ability to orchestrate a offense, players suck, and management is horrible. Not to mention their FO should be fired. Kyrie Irving was supposed to be the franchise player, and leader, but he clearly can't do any of that.

From top to bottom this might be the worst franchise in the NBA. Do people wonder why Lebron ever left?

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, players suck, management sucks. From top to bottom this is one of the worst franchises in the NBA.

The only thing I fault Lebron for is making a silly TV about his free agency and that stupid celebration he had with Bosh and Wade. As far as the move to Miami, he was right.

But because he's been so dominant in recent years, he could've won a least one championship, but would it really be worth it all? None of us want to work for a terrible employer, or business.

And Lebron, considered the best basketball player prospect coming out of high school, spent so many years... That he finally realized that.

Obviously, the thing that kept him committed to Cleveland was probably the fans and that it was his home town. Other than that I do feel some pity and sorrow for the fans that constantly pray that they may see the ring. But I think just like Lebron, their left out in the rain.

Also, the city sucks.  I spent a few days there for business and was bored out of my mind.  I asked 8 different locals what to do there and they all gave me the exact same answer "Well uh... there's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... and umm... I think the Indians are in town".

This was before LeBron left.. I left that city 100% convinced he was leaving them.  Also, the fans are a bunch of little punks.  I had no sympathy for them.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. I went to Cleveland for a business trip at a job I was working at the time, nothing crazy, and everything was paid expenses. Dinner, plane ticket, with the addition that my friend and I would be able to buy/order whatever we wanted as long as it was under 100, and we just had to show the receipt.

We went to Parnell's Irish pub, and holy moly! It sucked! I hated the atmosphere, everyone there were completely boring. I talked to a few local girls there, and they seemed incredibly stuck up! Even the bar tender gave us looks after she noticed we were tourists. Like really?

The entire trip I felt uncomfortable. Tourists are treated extremely rudely, and it made us want to stay inside for the duration of the conference the rest of the few days we were staying.

From then on, Cleveland would be the last place I'll ever visit.

little did you know, Joakim Noah was right all along

[Monkhouse]

It’s been a true culture shock for Luol Deng since he’s been a Cleveland Cavalier over the past 26 days. Not in a good way, either.

Deng has seen how a team mired in losing since LeBron James left town wrongly caters to its young star players, even as they continue to undermine head coach Mike Brown at almost every turn. In Chicago, where Deng broke in and played nine-plus seasons, there is a winning culture where players are expected to act like professionals and understand that they will suffer the consequences if they step out of line.

As Deng recently told one close friend, “the stuff going on in practice would never be tolerated by the coaching staff or the front office back in Chicago. It’s a mess."

Deng was brought in to help clean it up when he arrived in a deal for Andrew Bynum on Jan. 7. But since then, he’s seen players get thrown out of practice, take off their uniform tops at halftime and threaten not to play, mouth off to Brown and generally act like spoiled brats. Entering Saturday’s game at Houston, the Cavs had lost seven of their last 11 games since the Deng trade.

There is no accountability, as Dion Waiters found out when he was kicked out of practice last week but still got his usual minutes against the Knicks. Brown isn’t getting much help from GM Chris Grant, who is expected to be fired at season’s end because of the losing and problems in the locker room.

The Cavs were supposed to challenge for a playoff spot, but not to worry. All the losing isn’t keeping them from having a good time. During their trip to New York, several players enjoyed themselves immensely the night before the game against the Knicks, partying into the wee hours with J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert and 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick, and other NFL players. Their late-night/early morning carousing played a factor when they didn’t even try in their blow-out loss to the Knicks.

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, has no ability to orchestrate a offense, players suck, and management is horrible. Not to mention their FO should be fired. Kyrie Irving was supposed to be the franchise player, and leader, but he clearly can't do any of that.

From top to bottom this might be the worst franchise in the NBA. Do people wonder why Lebron ever left?

This franchise is a mess. Coach sucks, players suck, management sucks. From top to bottom this is one of the worst franchises in the NBA.

The only thing I fault Lebron for is making a silly TV about his free agency and that stupid celebration he had with Bosh and Wade. As far as the move to Miami, he was right.

But because he's been so dominant in recent years, he could've won a least one championship, but would it really be worth it all? None of us want to work for a terrible employer, or business.

And Lebron, considered the best basketball player prospect coming out of high school, spent so many years... That he finally realized that.

Obviously, the thing that kept him committed to Cleveland was probably the fans and that it was his home town. Other than that I do feel some pity and sorrow for the fans that constantly pray that they may see the ring. But I think just like Lebron, their left out in the rain.

Also, the city sucks.  I spent a few days there for business and was bored out of my mind.  I asked 8 different locals what to do there and they all gave me the exact same answer "Well uh... there's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... and umm... I think the Indians are in town".

This was before LeBron left.. I left that city 100% convinced he was leaving them.  Also, the fans are a bunch of little punks.  I had no sympathy for them.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. I went to Cleveland for a business trip at a job I was working at the time, nothing crazy, and everything was paid expenses. Dinner, plane ticket, with the addition that my friend and I would be able to buy/order whatever we wanted as long as it was under 100, and we just had to show the receipt.

We went to Parnell's Irish pub, and holy moly! It sucked! I hated the atmosphere, everyone there were completely boring. I talked to a few local girls there, and they seemed incredibly stuck up! Even the bar tender gave us looks after she noticed we were tourists. Like really?

The entire trip I felt uncomfortable. Tourists are treated extremely rudely, and it made us want to stay inside for the duration of the conference the rest of the few days we were staying.

From then on, Cleveland would be the last place I'll ever visit.

little did you know, Joakim Noah was right all along

Yes, very true 

[D.o.s.]

Seriously. Why don't they hire George Karl?

George Karl would be a great fit in terms of trying to motivate everyone for a playoff push.  I guess his reputation is that he eventually burns his guys out, but that's only after inspiring them.

I think Lionel Hollins would be a pretty good fit, too.  He's the type of guy who would tell management to pound sand, and that's exactly what that franchise needs right now.

Doug Collins would be another choice, even though I'm pretty sure he's not a super desirable hire anymore.

I think that team needs someoene like Karl, Hollins, or Collins - preferably a guy like DC who was a number one draft pick, or even Paul Silas (didn't he throw Tyrus Thomas into a locker last year? At age ~69?). Someone who can come in and say "eff you guys, I'm the most famous person in this locker room, this is how we're going to win basketball games, don't embarrass yourselves."

Also, gotta echo the sentiment about Ohio not being the most exciting place ever. It's not quite Nebraska, but it's pretty awful.

[get_banners]

Re: Mike Brown...how much of the Cleveland problem was on management and LeBron vs. Brown? The LA situation was a bad one, period, so I'm not surprised that didn't work out, but Cleveland...was basically LeBron doing what he wanted with no accountability, and that was from Day 1 from management. I'm not saying Mike Brown is a great coach, but I think he has had pretty awful situations to work in, especially both his Cleveland runs. Though, I will concede that it may be him, and not management, that let young players do what they want with no accountability, but my impression is, Gilbert and others basically created different (aka no) rules for LeBron, and have done the same with Irving.

[Roy H.]

Re: Mike Brown...how much of the Cleveland problem was on management and LeBron vs. Brown? The LA situation was a bad one, period, so I'm not surprised that didn't work out, but Cleveland...was basically LeBron doing what he wanted with no accountability, and that was from Day 1 from management. I'm not saying Mike Brown is a great coach, but I think he has had pretty awful situations to work in, especially both his Cleveland runs. Though, I will concede that it may be him, and not management, that let young players do what they want with no accountability, but my impression is, Gilbert and others basically created different (aka no) rules for LeBron, and have done the same with Irving.

If a coach has been in three situations, and all three of them turned out poorly, I think it's probably time to try somebody new.

[More Banners]

The Cavs need to stop turning over a $300M franchise over to 19 year old kids with no real education.

[D.o.s.]

The Cavs need to stop turning over a $300M franchise over to 19 year old kids with no real education.

Hey, Banners, leave them kids alone.

[Celtics4ever]

If a coach has been in three situations, and all three of them turned out poorly, I think it's probably time to try somebody new.

Agree, he has failed three times and lost his team twice.  Not exactly a great leader or coach.   He was supposed to be a coaching guru at D when an assistant at Indy.   As a head coach he has been underwhelming.

[moiso]

Seriously. Why don't they hire George Karl?

George Karl would be a great fit in terms of trying to motivate everyone for a playoff push.  I guess his reputation is that he eventually burns his guys out, but that's only after inspiring them.

I think Lionel Hollins would be a pretty good fit, too.  He's the type of guy who would tell management to pound sand, and that's exactly what that franchise needs right now.

Doug Collins would be another choice, even though I'm pretty sure he's not a super desirable hire anymore.

I think that team needs someoene like Karl, Hollins, or Collins - preferably a guy like DC who was a number one draft pick, or even Paul Silas (didn't he throw Tyrus Thomas into a locker last year? At age ~69?). Someone who can come in and say "eff you guys, I'm the most famous person in this locker room, this is how we're going to win basketball games, don't embarrass yourselves."

Also, gotta echo the sentiment about Ohio not being the most exciting place ever. It's not quite Nebraska, but it's pretty awful.

That sounds like a Rick Pitino quote.

[KG Living Legend]

 Send them a real Veteran leader, like Gerald Wallace!!!

[SHAQATTACK]

 Send them a real Veteran leader, like Gerald Wallace!!!

I like the way you think 

[Mazingerz]

 Send them a real Veteran leader, like Gerald Wallace!!!

I like the way you think 

Include Bogans and throw us your malcontent (Luol Deng)!