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Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #165 on: February 06, 2014, 01:12:20 PM »

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What'd I tell you guys, 2 straight wins and I think we now have the 6th worst record. If the Kings and Lakers didnt somehow win we'd be in even more trouble. The Cavs aren't even trying to tank and weve moved past them. Next up....The lowly Kings. If we lose then we are in real trouble.

the Kings have alot of size though. I think they will beat us....mavericks are better than us as well. then it seems like our strength of schedule gets tougher and bucks seem to have our number for some reason.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #166 on: February 06, 2014, 01:35:45 PM »

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I don't think so, I think Danny will "weaken" our team further by trading out contributors like Kris Humphries and Brandon Bass (perhaps Jeff Green, too) that other teams may want. He encourages Rondo, Sully, Olynyk, and Bradley to shut down and we rotate in D=leaguers for 10 day contracts.
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Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #167 on: February 06, 2014, 06:25:33 PM »

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I don't think so, I think Danny will "weaken" our team further by trading out contributors like Kris Humphries and Brandon Bass (perhaps Jeff Green, too) that other teams may want. He encourages Rondo, Sully, Olynyk, and Bradley to shut down and we rotate in D=leaguers for 10 day contracts.

This is the best case scenario. But it's not going to happen. Ainge wants to win now. He doesn't see this is hurting the Celtics in a bad way for the future. Either that or he just doesn't care. People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #168 on: February 06, 2014, 06:28:14 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.
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Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #169 on: February 06, 2014, 06:33:35 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #170 on: February 06, 2014, 06:43:04 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

Since you look like you're a big fan of Hindsight bias, I'd like to point out that Pierce, KG, and Jason terry are set to retire soon. That will make Deron Williams and Brook Lopez the two best players on the Nets.

With Brook Lopez, Deron Williams, and various league flotsam and jetsam, the Nets have gone 95-135. 49 of those wins came after they acquired Joe Johnson, and Brook Lopez might never play high-level basketball again.
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Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #171 on: February 06, 2014, 06:44:38 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

Depending on who is available, cashing them in with a trade for a 30-year-old might be the right way to use some of them.
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Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #172 on: February 06, 2014, 07:05:16 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

For one, Giannis could still very much end up not amounting to much while KO could end up having more value.

People were lamenting about how Ainge didn't draft Marshon Brooks. Jajuan Johnson was drafted for need with so many questions looming.

2010 Ainge drafted AB. 2011 Ainge drafted E'Twaun Moore (who, together with Jajuan, got us Courtney Lee and now Jerryd Bayless), 2012 Ainge drafted Sully (and Fab Melo, a reach but still got some value out of him by getting under the tax line).

2013 Ainge got KO (1. Giannis has not shown anything to indicate that he's a surefire all star, just a lot of potential 2. KO at least looks like he will be a NBA player worthy of being in a rotation. Dennis Shroeder may bust, Shabazz looks like a bust).

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #173 on: February 06, 2014, 07:07:48 PM »

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Oh well the chances of winning it are not that good folks anyways.   Being it does not constitute winning it.  Get over it, I remember Duncan.

Posting it here is not going to influence the team to tank or not tank.  The cards will fall where they may.   I doubt DA and Stevens are going to tank because they read it here.   Our roster is pretty bad by design so I for one think the tank is on to some degree.  If DA gets a good deal for RR he could be gone.   If he does not I predect he reinjures it (wink!) and it put on the shelf til next year.   Playing him allows us to test the waters and decide to sell and trade.

At least we are not LA!

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #174 on: February 06, 2014, 07:08:10 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

Since you look like you're a big fan of Hindsight bias, I'd like to point out that Pierce, KG, and Jason terry are set to retire soon. That will make Deron Williams and Brook Lopez the two best players on the Nets.

With Brook Lopez, Deron Williams, and various league flotsam and jetsam, the Nets have gone 95-135. 49 of those wins came after they acquired Joe Johnson, and Brook Lopez might never play high-level basketball again.

Brooklyn is a big market team. They can attract the pick of the litter free agent. So at worst they'll be a treadmill squad (unless BK is still there) then that would be different. Boston is small market so they need to build through drafting properly. You guys really want to run it back to getting another 30 year old like Melo that would cost multiple picks and make the Celtics a treadmill squad? That's an awful idea. Let Melo and Lala rot in NY. Melo will never win a title and he's a selfish ball hog like Iverson was. Only difference is that that Iverson in his prime was the best. Melo...not so much.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #175 on: February 06, 2014, 07:13:46 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

For one, Giannis could still very much end up not amounting to much while KO could end up having more value.

People were lamenting about how Ainge didn't draft Marshon Brooks. Jajuan Johnson was drafted for need with so many questions looming.

2010 Ainge drafted AB. 2011 Ainge drafted E'Twaun Moore (who, together with Jajuan, got us Courtney Lee and now Jerryd Bayless), 2012 Ainge drafted Sully (and Fab Melo, a reach but still got some value out of him by getting under the tax line).

2013 Ainge got KO (1. Giannis has not shown anything to indicate that he's a surefire all star, just a lot of potential 2. KO at least looks like he will be a NBA player worthy of being in a rotation. Dennis Shroeder may bust, Shabazz looks like a bust).

Giannis is an athletic freak with loads of potential. Much better than KO. Fab Melo was a wasted pick with PJ3 on the board and Festus. Everyone knew Melo was terrible but Danny still drafted him. He had zero BBIQ and just sucked. I personally loved Moore and would love to see him back in green one day. Solid role player. I don't know how you could even say that Ainge didn't screw up up this draft royally by passing on Giannis. You just can't defend that. He's an athletic freak that can play.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #176 on: February 06, 2014, 08:03:48 PM »

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People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be
in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

Treadmill teams don't have a huge stockpile of draft picks.  Teams end up like the Knicks/Nets when they devalue picks so much that they have traded away the next five years of second-round picks on top of moving every tradeable first.

Or they squander them in drafts. Those Nets picks will be good but they'll be an 8 seed for a number of years. Good for mid teens but not high enough for a major impact. Ainge missing on Giannis makes me question his ability these days. Not just him but JJJ and others. His drafting record IS historically solid but I question whether he'll use the picks the right way or cash them in for another 30 year old to go with Rondo.

For one, Giannis could still very much end up not amounting to much while KO could end up having more value.

People were lamenting about how Ainge didn't draft Marshon Brooks. Jajuan Johnson was drafted for need with so many questions looming.

2010 Ainge drafted AB. 2011 Ainge drafted E'Twaun Moore (who, together with Jajuan, got us Courtney Lee and now Jerryd Bayless), 2012 Ainge drafted Sully (and Fab Melo, a reach but still got some value out of him by getting under the tax line).

2013 Ainge got KO (1. Giannis has not shown anything to indicate that he's a surefire all star, just a lot of potential 2. KO at least looks like he will be a NBA player worthy of being in a rotation. Dennis Shroeder may bust, Shabazz looks like a bust).

Giannis is an athletic freak with loads of potential. Much better than KO. Fab Melo was a wasted pick with PJ3 on the board and Festus. Everyone knew Melo was terrible but Danny still drafted him. He had zero BBIQ and just sucked. I personally loved Moore and would love to see him back in green one day. Solid role player. I don't know how you could even say that Ainge didn't screw up up this draft royally by passing on Giannis. You just can't defend that. He's an athletic freak that can play.

There are plenty of athletes who can't play basketball in the league.

Anthony Randolph for one.

Jeff Green is somewhat guilty for that (from your comparison of Rondo to Chalmers, I'd venture to guess your opinion of Green isn't that high either).

Gerald Green for a long while.

Shannon Brown.

Wes Johnson.

Based on a rookie year of 7 points 5 rebounds, you're ready to call Giannis a star?

There are plenty of players with incredible potential but never reach it.

Sure, I don't deny drafting the Greek Freak would have been nice. I would take him given a re-draft.

But KO has not shown anything to indicate that he's a bust. In his rookie year, he's showing solid signs of at the very least being a solid bench big.

Ainge avoided the landmine in Shabazz. Screwing up would be drafting a guy who can't get any minutes/can barely get any minutes.

Consider Tyreke Evans, a guy who put up historical averages in his rookie year. He's no doubt incredibly talented, more talented than KO or Giannis. But he never became much more. Rookie year performances could end up meaning very little.





As for the Fab Melo debacle, Ezeli would certainly have been a nice pick. But Ezeli wasn't drafted until mid-2nd so many teams missed out. And Ezeli is currently injured.

Perry Jones looks like a nice player but Ainge drafted Fab as a project. Fab had more upside than any other player available.

With 2 picks, I'd still say it was a good move using one of them on a gamble.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #177 on: February 06, 2014, 08:08:25 PM »

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I don't think so, I think Danny will "weaken" our team further by trading out contributors like Kris Humphries and Brandon Bass (perhaps Jeff Green, too) that other teams may want. He encourages Rondo, Sully, Olynyk, and Bradley to shut down and we rotate in D=leaguers for 10 day contracts.

This is the best case scenario. But it's not going to happen. Ainge wants to win now. He doesn't see this is hurting the Celtics in a bad way for the future. Either that or he just doesn't care. People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

  I don't think you've made a convincing argument that we'll be a "treadmill" other than telling people as often as possible that you think the future of the franchise pretty much hinges on tanking, and chastising the rest of the fans for not getting as upset when the team wins as you do.

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« Reply #178 on: February 06, 2014, 08:18:31 PM »

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I don't think so, I think Danny will "weaken" our team further by trading out contributors like Kris Humphries and Brandon Bass (perhaps Jeff Green, too) that other teams may want. He encourages Rondo, Sully, Olynyk, and Bradley to shut down and we rotate in D=leaguers for 10 day contracts.

This is the best case scenario. But it's not going to happen. Ainge wants to win now. He doesn't see this is hurting the Celtics in a bad way for the future. Either that or he just doesn't care. People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

  I don't think you've made a convincing argument that we'll be a "treadmill" other than telling people as often as possible that you think the future of the franchise pretty much hinges on tanking, and chastising the rest of the fans for not getting as upset when the team wins as you do.

The trade ideas out there. Getting players like Love or Asik or Melo are treadmill moves. They make the team a playoff contender but not good enough to win it all. If you team up Love Rondo and Melo you will lose. I didn't like the KG move. However....KG was a top 5 player in the NBA at the time. Pierce and Allen were top 20. Love and Melo are barely top 15 and Rondo is nowhere close to that. He isn't a superstar despite the homer ism here. It doesn't add up. So you're mortgaging 6 years of control on a top pick to win a few playoff series and fall short. That is how treadmill teams are made.

Re: The next 10 games will obliterate our lottery chances.
« Reply #179 on: February 06, 2014, 08:22:24 PM »

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I don't think so, I think Danny will "weaken" our team further by trading out contributors like Kris Humphries and Brandon Bass (perhaps Jeff Green, too) that other teams may want. He encourages Rondo, Sully, Olynyk, and Bradley to shut down and we rotate in D=leaguers for 10 day contracts.

This is the best case scenario. But it's not going to happen. Ainge wants to win now. He doesn't see this is hurting the Celtics in a bad way for the future. Either that or he just doesn't care. People love watching a treadmill team apparently. We're gonna be in Knicks/Nets land for the next decade. Awesome

  I don't think you've made a convincing argument that we'll be a "treadmill" other than telling people as often as possible that you think the future of the franchise pretty much hinges on tanking, and chastising the rest of the fans for not getting as upset when the team wins as you do.

The trade ideas out there. Getting players like Love or Asik or Melo are treadmill moves. They make the team a playoff contender but not good enough to win it all. If you team up Love Rondo and Melo you will lose. I didn't like the KG move. However....KG was a top 5 player in the NBA at the time. Pierce and Allen were top 20. Love and Melo are barely top 15 and Rondo is nowhere close to that. He isn't a superstar despite the homer ism here. It doesn't add up. So you're mortgaging 6 years of control on a top pick to win a few playoff series and fall short. That is how treadmill teams are made.

Adding Melo being a treadmill move has more to do with Melo not being anywhere as good as some people believe him to be.

I'd easily take Rondo to start a team before I would take Melo.  I'd rather add Asik than Melo.
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