Sully and KO

[PaulAllen]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

[pokeKingCurtis]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

Sullinger has a dislocated finger.

Olynyk's body fat percentage was apparently about 6%, decent for a big.

Also, Olynyk went from a 32 inch vertical to a 39 inch vertical during his redshirt year:o

To be able to stay on the floor, play the hardest position (Center), I think Olynyk has been impressive. Keep in mind that there are several other power forwards vying for playing time.





This actually brings up a nice counterpoint to those who think Ainge is purposefully tanking. AB is out. Sullinger hasn't been himself with injuries. You're talking about a team without two of its best players, with the best player (Rondo) being 60, 70% of himself.

[My theory? FWIW: Ainge is simply stockpiling assets and letting Brad Stevens (and the young ones), not caring what the final record indicates since you simply can't hope to out-tank teams that have had years of mismanagement without damaging yourself. But it's all just theories, Ainge probably has something else in mind.]





Back to Sully and KO. You probably won't be seeing above average athletes in these guys. But I would actually bet they're in decent shape right now. You're talking a rigorous NBA schedule, 24/7 basketball.

When you're talking athleticism, I'd say think Z-Bo, not Bass, KG or even Humphries. Look at their mobility, not their explosiveness.

Also, don't forget, both of them are basically rookies. Sully is having his rookie season part deux. As mention previously, this team has a lot of power forwards. Year 1, year 2 and even some year 3 players won't get much time.

With Sully, he's been playing very out of position every night at center (in addition to his injury). And with Olynyk, you're talking about a guy who's still only just adjusting to his growth spurt.

Of course, as mentioned in this thread, the roster changes take a lot of adjusting to. Only Sully, Green and AB have played with Rondo. The roster was further broken down after being gutted by BKN. The [insert number] power forwards all need time and, being a young team, consistency is an issue, making playing time uncertain.

[clover]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

Sullinger has a dislocated finger.

Olynyk's body fat percentage was apparently about 6%, decent for a big.

Also, Olynyk went from a 32 inch vertical to a 39 inch vertical during his redshirt year:o

To be able to stay on the floor, play the hardest position (Center), I think Olynyk has been impressive. Keep in mind that there are several other power forwards vying for playing time.





This actually brings up a nice counterpoint to those who think Ainge is purposefully tanking. AB is out. Sullinger hasn't been himself with injuries. You're talking about a team without two of its best players, with the best player (Rondo) being 60, 70% of himself.

[My theory? FWIW: Ainge is simply stockpiling assets and letting Brad Stevens (and the young ones), not caring what the final record indicates since you simply can't hope to out-tank teams that have had years of mismanagement without damaging yourself. But it's all just theories, Ainge probably has something else in mind.]





Back to Sully and KO. You probably won't be seeing above average athletes in these guys. But I would actually bet they're in decent shape right now. You're talking a rigorous NBA schedule, 24/7 basketball.

When you're talking athleticism, I'd say think Z-Bo, not Bass, KG or even Humphries. Look at their mobility, not their explosiveness.

Also, don't forget, both of them are basically rookies. Sully is having his rookie season part deux. As mention previously, this team has a lot of power forwards. Year 1, year 2 and even some year 3 players won't get much time.

With Sully, he's been playing very out of position every night at center (in addition to his injury). And with Olynyk, you're talking about a guy who's still only just adjusting to his growth spurt.

Of course, as mentioned in this thread, the roster changes take a lot of adjusting to. Only Sully, Green and AB have played with Rondo. The roster was further broken down after being gutted by BKN. The [insert number] power forwards all need time and, being a young team, consistency is an issue, making playing time uncertain.

Are you forgetting Bass, who has played with Rondo most of all?

[pokeKingCurtis]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

Sullinger has a dislocated finger.

Olynyk's body fat percentage was apparently about 6%, decent for a big.

Also, Olynyk went from a 32 inch vertical to a 39 inch vertical during his redshirt year:o

To be able to stay on the floor, play the hardest position (Center), I think Olynyk has been impressive. Keep in mind that there are several other power forwards vying for playing time.





This actually brings up a nice counterpoint to those who think Ainge is purposefully tanking. AB is out. Sullinger hasn't been himself with injuries. You're talking about a team without two of its best players, with the best player (Rondo) being 60, 70% of himself.

[My theory? FWIW: Ainge is simply stockpiling assets and letting Brad Stevens (and the young ones), not caring what the final record indicates since you simply can't hope to out-tank teams that have had years of mismanagement without damaging yourself. But it's all just theories, Ainge probably has something else in mind.]





Back to Sully and KO. You probably won't be seeing above average athletes in these guys. But I would actually bet they're in decent shape right now. You're talking a rigorous NBA schedule, 24/7 basketball.

When you're talking athleticism, I'd say think Z-Bo, not Bass, KG or even Humphries. Look at their mobility, not their explosiveness.

Also, don't forget, both of them are basically rookies. Sully is having his rookie season part deux. As mention previously, this team has a lot of power forwards. Year 1, year 2 and even some year 3 players won't get much time.

With Sully, he's been playing very out of position every night at center (in addition to his injury). And with Olynyk, you're talking about a guy who's still only just adjusting to his growth spurt.

Of course, as mentioned in this thread, the roster changes take a lot of adjusting to. Only Sully, Green and AB have played with Rondo. The roster was further broken down after being gutted by BKN. The [insert number] power forwards all need time and, being a young team, consistency is an issue, making playing time uncertain.

Are you forgetting Bass, who has played with Rondo most of all?

Yes.

[PaulAllen]

KO at 6% lol.... thats a laugh riot... he is around 30%

and a dislocated finger??? wow not a broken leg but dislocated finger


excuses, excuses... they are professionals at the highest level

[fairweatherfan]

KO at 6% lol.... thats a laugh riot... he is around 30%

Do you have any idea what 30% bodyfat looks like? 

...I guess this is a rhetorical question.

[PaulAllen]

I do... i deal in nutrition

I know what 6% looks like......

[NikoZea]

Hop off Sully. He's got long arms and a wide caboose. Look at Kevin Love when he came to the league.

Sullinger is a great shooter. If you watched the games you don't need to look at percentages. Stats lie a ton. Watch his jumper. His hook. His fadeaway. His three ball. His layups. Their all smooth and seemingly effortless.

Concerning athleticism, Sully is mobile. He can bully people and has the quick feet to get a shot off and defend. He's what I call an effort-mover. He goes hard constantly on defense and on offense he uses his talents. He's a great rebounder, a willing passer, a smooth shooter and a polished scorer.

One thing we also forget talking about Sully, is that he doesn't get many plays drawn up for him. He doesn't get fed in the post, even though you can run an offense through him because he's such a willing passer, He sets up teammates, and he does things like picks and boxing out that help his teammates.

Watch him play. He, surprisingly, is an effort defender, and a good defender in the post and on the perimeter. Not an elite stopper or a highlight shot blocker, but a willing player who's offensive skill set makes his above average defense not matter so much. If we had an elite defensive big man paired with him we'd be set at in the front court.

As for KO, he needs some improvement. He'll add muscle. He did it when he was an awkwardly developed college kid, which is hard (I speak from experience as a fellow awkwardly developing, lanky kid) and now that he's gutting into that "man" stage in his life he can probably get to about 255-260 of solid muscle with hard work. More tone and lateral quickness will make him loads better as an player.

Too bad about those arms though. Not much you can do about arm length.

And he's a smooth shooter too. Not as good of a rebounder, but a good one.

Wait on him until about his third year. Sully you should already be sold on, or else you haven't been watching the games.

And yes I have a basketball crush on Sully. Been rooting for him since he was in college. He's an old school player. My kind of player.

Sorry for rambling. Sully getting hated on is too much for me to bear though lol.

[moiso]

I was thinking about this in the game last night after looking at both Sully and KO. They have access to the best trainers and nutritionists in the world, and are world class NBA athletes....How can their bodies not be more in shape?

It doesn't make sense to me.

Fire Brian Doo!

[pokeKingCurtis]

Hop off Sully. He's got long arms and a wide caboose. Look at Kevin Love when he came to the league.

Sullinger is a great shooter. If you watched the games you don't need to look at percentages. Stats lie a ton. Watch his jumper. His hook. His fadeaway. His three ball. His layups. Their all smooth and seemingly effortless.

Concerning athleticism, Sully is mobile. He can bully people and has the quick feet to get a shot off and defend. He's what I call an effort-mover. He goes hard constantly on defense and on offense he uses his talents. He's a great rebounder, a willing passer, a smooth shooter and a polished scorer.

One thing we also forget talking about Sully, is that he doesn't get many plays drawn up for him. He doesn't get fed in the post, even though you can run an offense through him because he's such a willing passer, He sets up teammates, and he does things like picks and boxing out that help his teammates.

Watch him play. He, surprisingly, is an effort defender, and a good defender in the post and on the perimeter. Not an elite stopper or a highlight shot blocker, but a willing player who's offensive skill set makes his above average defense not matter so much. If we had an elite defensive big man paired with him we'd be set at in the front court.

As for KO, he needs some improvement. He'll add muscle. He did it when he was an awkwardly developed college kid, which is hard (I speak from experience as a fellow awkwardly developing, lanky kid) and now that he's gutting into that "man" stage in his life he can probably get to about 255-260 of solid muscle with hard work. More tone and lateral quickness will make him loads better as an player.

Too bad about those arms though. Not much you can do about arm length.

And he's a smooth shooter too. Not as good of a rebounder, but a good one.

Wait on him until about his third year. Sully you should already be sold on, or else you haven't been watching the games.

And yes I have a basketball crush on Sully. Been rooting for him since he was in college. He's an old school player. My kind of player.

Sorry for rambling. Sully getting hated on is too much for me to bear though lol.

I don't think many (if any) here outside of the OP truly dislike Sully.

As for Olynyk, I dunno why people don't like him. Grabbing this guy with the 13(?)th pick seems like more than fair value. Yes, Giannis might turn out to be better but it's faaaaar too soon to judge.

Some people wanted that guy from Germany who, last I checked, is in the D-League. Some people wanted Shabazz Muhammed.

I actually hated the pick before the draft but he's been rebounding better than I thought he would have and he is very smart and works hard on the floor. This is not his ceiling being a ROOKIE BIG.

[D.o.s.]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

I may only be speaking for myself here, but I don't care if they look fat. I just want them to be good at basketball.

[NikoZea]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

He's a wide guy. I don't know how much you can relate but wide guys (mesomorphs) naturally run bulky. If a guy can keep fat on with proper diet and the rigor of playing heavy minutes in the NBA, that's his body. Sully's a baller anyways, even if he did have tits he'd probably block shots with them.

[NikoZea]

Hop off Sully. He's got long arms and a wide caboose. Look at Kevin Love when he came to the league.

Sullinger is a great shooter. If you watched the games you don't need to look at percentages. Stats lie a ton. Watch his jumper. His hook. His fadeaway. His three ball. His layups. Their all smooth and seemingly effortless.

Concerning athleticism, Sully is mobile. He can bully people and has the quick feet to get a shot off and defend. He's what I call an effort-mover. He goes hard constantly on defense and on offense he uses his talents. He's a great rebounder, a willing passer, a smooth shooter and a polished scorer.

One thing we also forget talking about Sully, is that he doesn't get many plays drawn up for him. He doesn't get fed in the post, even though you can run an offense through him because he's such a willing passer, He sets up teammates, and he does things like picks and boxing out that help his teammates.

Watch him play. He, surprisingly, is an effort defender, and a good defender in the post and on the perimeter. Not an elite stopper or a highlight shot blocker, but a willing player who's offensive skill set makes his above average defense not matter so much. If we had an elite defensive big man paired with him we'd be set at in the front court.

As for KO, he needs some improvement. He'll add muscle. He did it when he was an awkwardly developed college kid, which is hard (I speak from experience as a fellow awkwardly developing, lanky kid) and now that he's gutting into that "man" stage in his life he can probably get to about 255-260 of solid muscle with hard work. More tone and lateral quickness will make him loads better as an player.

Too bad about those arms though. Not much you can do about arm length.

And he's a smooth shooter too. Not as good of a rebounder, but a good one.

Wait on him until about his third year. Sully you should already be sold on, or else you haven't been watching the games.

And yes I have a basketball crush on Sully. Been rooting for him since he was in college. He's an old school player. My kind of player.

Sorry for rambling. Sully getting hated on is too much for me to bear though lol.

I don't think many (if any) here outside of the OP truly dislike Sully.

As for Olynyk, I dunno why people don't like him. Grabbing this guy with the 13(?)th pick seems like more than fair value. Yes, Giannis might turn out to be better but it's faaaaar too soon to judge.

Some people wanted that guy from Germany who, last I checked, is in the D-League. Some people wanted Shabazz Muhammed.

I actually hated the pick before the draft but he's been rebounding better than I thought he would have and he is very smart and works hard on the floor. This is not his ceiling being a ROOKIE BIG.

TP

I don't get the impression people really understand Sully's potential. He had a 20/20 game against a top front court and now people are calling him fat. He's a throwback guy. Watch him be a top PF in the league in a year or two. He's that promising.

And IK it astounds me the dislike people have for Olynyk. Kid's a young big who's still developing physically. A lot of people can't relate being that lanky.

I sucked at basketball when I was younger. All the short, early-peaking kids ran the court. Now i stride past them and finish over them. Olynyk will do the same eventually.

From playground to the pros, it's all the same really. Just takes time.

[PhoSita]

Seems to me like the OP has an agenda and he's sticking to it.

[clover]

you cant blame injuries... Sully has been back in action for many months while KO only missed a few weeks of action... They have both played the entire season... even light training and a proper diet will keep your body fat low... I bet (shirts off) they look fat...

I may only be speaking for myself here, but I don't care if they look fat. I just want them to be good at basketball.

Few of the Celtics legends have been paragons of cut, muscled bodies. Pierce? Bird? McHale?