What's the grace period on Rondo?

[RJ87]

To answer your question about when you can start judging Rondo--- well, you clearly already have, so why bother? According to a post of yours in another thread about Rondo not meshing with Green, you said something to the extent of Rondo being crap so far, and his trade value is already plummeting. So you're clearly already judging

Exactly.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, he pretty much has his mind made up about Rondo based on previous posts. And the condescension in the original post makes me doubt a thoughtful discussion about orthopedic rehabilitation and the process Rondo has to go through before he fully regains form is the intention here.

[saltlover]

To answer your question about when you can start judging Rondo--- well, you clearly already have, so why bother? According to a post of yours in another thread about Rondo not meshing with Green, you said something to the extent of Rondo being crap so far, and his trade value is already plummeting. So you're clearly already judging

Exactly.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, he pretty much has his mind made up about Rondo based on previous posts. And the condescension in the original post makes me doubt a thoughtful discussion about orthopedic rehabilitation and the process Rondo has to go through before he fully regains form is the intention here.

TP to RR for calling a spade a spade, and to RJ87 for highlighting it.

LB33 starts so many threads, and hijacks so many others, with his incessant disparaging of Rondo that I wonder if he isn't some desperate Knicks employee trying to drive Rondo's value down, hoping that he could then be shipped to NY for Stoudamire and Tim Hardaway Jr.

[Monkhouse]

So far he's been horrible.  We've played just as bad with him.  I know he's rusty and coming off a major injury.  It's still way too early and all of this was very predictable, but for reference I want to know how long we are supposed to give him until we can fairly judge him as the leader of this team.   

Some members of this forum remain adamant that Rondo is a "superstar".    So far he's averaging 6.6 points, 5.8 assists, 4.2 rebounds, 1 steal 3.2 turnovers on a laughably pathetic  25%/24%/40% shooting.   Obviously he will improve, but how long should we expect until he's superstarring?

[quote/]author: labrd33

Here we go again...

I like you as a user, but sometimes you really just try to kick Rondo down a notch... I don't get why you hate him so much.. He is coming off an ACL injury... Do you really want the Knicks to get him, or what?

Did Rondo by any chance score on one of your favorite player, and make you lose a bet on the off-chance Rondo wouldn't have a triple double on a certain game?

In under 30 minutes, Rondo almost scored a triple double. 13/8/8 isn't good enough?

[aporel#18]

Rondo won't be the player he was until next December, if he ever is. TA example was good, and we saw KG in the 2009-2010 season and how he improved a year after coming back from injury.

Then, everybody is entitled to their opinions, so if LarBrd33 thinks Rondo is a top 50 PG in the NBA, I'll disagree, but I don't think he's going to change his opinion. Rondo has been a top 10 jersey seller in the NBA for the past 3 seasons, and his playoff performance is better than any current PG in the NBA.

He's not a good reliable shooter, his FT shooting is underwhelming, but he's great at everything else. He's not perfect, but Danny Ainge isn't trading him for peanuts. So unless some GM goes crazy and offers a huge return for Rondo, he's staying in Celtic green until July, maybe his entire career.

Trade deadline can't come soon enough. Go Celtics!

[LooseCannon]

To answer your question about when you can start judging Rondo--- well, you clearly already have, so why bother? According to a post of yours in another thread about Rondo not meshing with Green, you said something to the extent of Rondo being crap so far, and his trade value is already plummeting. So you're clearly already judging

Exactly.

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, he pretty much has his mind made up about Rondo based on previous posts. And the condescension in the original post makes me doubt a thoughtful discussion about orthopedic rehabilitation and the process Rondo has to go through before he fully regains form is the intention here.

TP to RR for calling a spade a spade, and to RJ87 for highlighting it.

LB33 starts so many threads, and hijacks so many others, with his incessant disparaging of Rondo that I wonder if he isn't some desperate Knicks employee trying to drive Rondo's value down, hoping that he could then be shipped to NY for Stoudamire and Tim Hardaway Jr.

But the thought of him crying after every Celtics win makes any victory doubly delicious, so I can't wish that he would just stop posting.

[SparzWizard]

15 games. It's been like 4-5 games since he's back.

[fitzhickey]

Wait until he gets a proper preseason then we judge

[Roy H.]

I think it's a legitimate and interesting question.  At what point is it rust / natural recovery, as opposed to be a permanent thing?  When do fans start to worry?

I tend to agree with Dons:  I'm not making any long-term judgments until sometime next season. 

[sed522002]

When he's not playing with that brace and his minutes are consistent (he's able to play back to backs etc), but I really don't know why I responded, because like others have stated you already have your opinion made up so judge him as you see fit. It really doesn't matter.

[Sketch5]

I would be pretty happy if he got back to form this season, but most likely the earliest is beginning of next season.

He'll need at least a month a month and a half to trust his knee. He can't play for real and play with out thinking about things until he has full trust. Half his mind right now is on how to land,or plant, or push off. That right there will effect how he plays.

Plus being away from the game for a year, every thing is moving fast, add that to injury, he's having a hard time keeping up.

Jordan played 17 games when he first came back from an extended time, and still wasn't even close to himself in the playoffs. And that was Micheal Freaking Jordan, who wasn't coming off of an injury. So he was off, just from timing and being out of basketball shape.

I think We need to give it to at least a few weeks after the All Star break before we start even getting worried.

[wayupnorth]

Mr. LarBrd33,

I think you raise an interesting question, and my answer would be by the middle of next season. (I changed from beginning to middle, because I am not a knee expert).

This also led me to ask, however, why it is you do not particularly like Rondo as a building piece. I guess I am curious, because I know you definitely have the C's best interest at heart, and are clearly a smart guy, and all I have ever seen our of Rondo is the ability to put it on when he needs to.

I do not want to stray off topic here, but I have been wondering this for awhile.

[Celtics4ever]

The almost triple double was encouraging to me.   Still has a ways to go though and will never be a sharp shooter.  I think he is 6-8 months away from 100% if he can get there.   Tendons heal slowly.

[Vermont Green]

I can't pretend to know how long a fair grace period could be but I feel it may be optimistic to think Rondo will continue to improve until December or the middle of next season as some have suggested.  Rondo is a veteran so I don't think a preseason makes all that much difference.  It seems to me the off season will be several months to accumulate more "rust".

I am not as much of a numbers guys but rather go by what I see on the court.  Last game, Rondo moved well.  I thought some of the best indicators were some of the rebounds he got.  Very athletic, like the old Rondo.  I think it is more timing and feel plus learning to play with new teammates (where I guess the off season could help) is where the problem is.

It shouldn't take Rondo 8-12 more months to get his timing back.  I feel like he should be 80%-90% up to speed pretty soon with the last 10% to 20% coming more slowly over time.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

[BballTim]

I think it's a legitimate and interesting question.  At what point is it rust / natural recovery, as opposed to be a permanent thing?  When do fans start to worry?

I tend to agree with Dons:  I'm not making any long-term judgments until sometime next season.

  Fans always worry. Look at Chris Paul, who missed a month or two with a torn meniscus. He was only out a couple of months and returned during the same season as the injury. It took him a full calendar year after he came back to get back to the player he was. It's going to be a long haul.