Time for Ainge to make a deal for Melo

[GreenWarrior]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

 

that's complete BS. until 2008. pierce would have killed to have the players that melo played with.

marcus camby, Kenyon martin, andre miller. pierce never had anyone on those 3 guys level...maybe Kenny Anderson could be the equivalent of miller, maybe.

if pierce had those 3 guys early in his career like melo. they would've made the finals back the. At least twice.

Melo took the nuggets to the WCF and had to play  against the Lakers  who crushed the Magic 4-1 in the NBA finals.
The nuggets finished first in the west in that year and the next but failed to capitalize on hca in the 08-09 wcf series and lost 2-4 to the Lakers.
I seriously doubt that pierce would have beaten Kobe and Gasol with his best help being an aging Billups and nene hillario with Dantahy Jones and JR Smith as his scoring help.
Keep dreaming.

id take my chances with pierce and anybody melo's played with while in Denver vs the western conference during melo's yrs there.

but what I was saying was if pierce had camby, martin, and miller at any point in his career(before the big 3 of course) then id like our chances of at least getting to finals.

[D.o.s.]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

 

that's complete BS. until 2008. pierce would have killed to have the players that melo played with.

marcus camby, Kenyon martin, andre miller. pierce never had anyone on those 3 guys level...maybe Kenny Anderson could be the equivalent of miller, maybe.

if pierce had those 3 guys early in his career like melo. they would've made the finals back the. At least twice.

Melo took the nuggets to the WCF and had to play  against the Lakers  who crushed the Magic 4-1 in the NBA finals.
The nuggets finished first in the west in that year and the next but failed to capitalize on hca in the 08-09 wcf series and lost 2-4 to the Lakers.
I seriously doubt that pierce would have beaten Kobe and Gasol with his best help being an aging Billups and nene hillario with Dantahy Jones and JR Smith as his scoring help.
Keep dreaming.

id take my chances with pierce and anybody melo's played with while in Denver vs the western conference during melo's yrs there.

but what I was saying was if pierce had camby, martin, and miller at any point in his career(before the big 3 of course) then id like our chances of at least getting to finals.

"...because the Eastern Conference was disgustingly terrible and the talent disparity between the two conferences was massive."

Is what you should've put at the end of that last sentence.

[GreenWarrior]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

 

that's complete BS. until 2008. pierce would have killed to have the players that melo played with.

marcus camby, Kenyon martin, andre miller. pierce never had anyone on those 3 guys level...maybe Kenny Anderson could be the equivalent of miller, maybe.

if pierce had those 3 guys early in his career like melo. they would've made the finals back the. At least twice.

Melo took the nuggets to the WCF and had to play  against the Lakers  who crushed the Magic 4-1 in the NBA finals.
The nuggets finished first in the west in that year and the next but failed to capitalize on hca in the 08-09 wcf series and lost 2-4 to the Lakers.
I seriously doubt that pierce would have beaten Kobe and Gasol with his best help being an aging Billups and nene hillario with Dantahy Jones and JR Smith as his scoring help.
Keep dreaming.

id take my chances with pierce and anybody melo's played with while in Denver vs the western conference during melo's yrs there.

but what I was saying was if pierce had camby, martin, and miller at any point in his career(before the big 3 of course) then id like our chances of at least getting to finals.

"...because the Eastern Conference was disgustingly terrible and the talent disparity between the two conferences was massive."

Is what you should've put at the end of that last sentence.

true but I still say id take my chances with pierce on Denver with camby, martin and miller to at least make the western conference finals.

in my biased id definitely say they beat the lakers back then.

[chambers]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

 

that's complete BS. until 2008. pierce would have killed to have the players that melo played with.

marcus camby, Kenyon martin, andre miller. pierce never had anyone on those 3 guys level...maybe Kenny Anderson could be the equivalent of miller, maybe.

if pierce had those 3 guys early in his career like melo. they would've made the finals back the. At least twice.

Melo took the nuggets to the WCF and had to play  against the Lakers  who crushed the Magic 4-1 in the NBA finals.
The nuggets finished first in the west in that year and the next but failed to capitalize on hca in the 08-09 wcf series and lost 2-4 to the Lakers.
I seriously doubt that pierce would have beaten Kobe and Gasol with his best help being an aging Billups and nene hillario with Dantahy Jones and JR Smith as his scoring help.
Keep dreaming.

id take my chances with pierce and anybody melo's played with while in Denver vs the western conference during melo's yrs there.

but what I was saying was if pierce had camby, martin, and miller at any point in his career(before the big 3 of course) then id like our chances of at least getting to finals.

"...because the Eastern Conference was disgustingly terrible and the talent disparity between the two conferences was massive."

Is what you should've put at the end of that last sentence.

true but I still say id take my chances with pierce on Denver with camby, martin and miller to at least make the western conference finals.

in my biased id definitely say they beat the lakers back then.

Sorry that 'keep dreaming' part read out quite rude-no offense intended.
As D.o.s says, the two conferences were worlds apart.  I love Pierce but I dont see him carrying a team like that past the Lakers. He couldn't carry us past the Magic in 2008-2009 without KG and he had Ray and Rondo and Perkins to help.
I think the main argument is that all these current stars have had help from other top 20 players in winning a championship.  Melo really hasn't been given that opportunity yet. He's never had any help to carry the scoring load and play making load in a tough 7 game series.

He's the 2nd best scorer in the NBA and he's still getting better. His defense has come around a lot and his passing-particularly out of the post has been very good.
You just can't find scorers like Melo and Durant and Lebron who will put the team on their back at will.
Lebron has wade and bosh. Pierce had kg and ray and rondo. Duncan has Parker, kobe had shaq or Gasol.-theyve all had top 20 player help to win their ship' and Melo hasn't had that help.
Dirk did it without help but their payroll was designed around dirk.  Melos help was taken away by Amare's 20 million dollar knee operation.

Just imagine Melo with Rondo and a top 5 or 10 defensive big and a few three point shooters.
Or imagine the knicks team now with Rondo and Green instead of Amare and Felton-thats how much salary amare is wasting.

[D.o.s.]

I don't know how far back you guys can remember, but when A'Mare was healthy and playing for the Knicks he was in the conversation for MVP. He even hit that absurd three point would-be buzzer beater to beat us in... 2011?

His health deteriorated in the beginning of February, and after the Denver trade he completely fell apart. Remember, correlation is not causation. If they had ever been healthy, a Melo-A'mare-Chandler frontcourt could easily have been the best in the league. No way Miami can match up with that--look at how much trouble they have against the Pacers.


Instead, your 2014 New York Knicks:

[nostar]

I'll take Melo all day. I'll trade Sully, AB, and basically anyone but Rondo for Melo. I'll throw in two 1sts but not ours this year. I'll swap bad contracts if they want.

Melo's situation actually reminds me of Pierce's pre-Big-3. Melo is at the point in his career that he might turn that mental corner and realize that team ball equates to success. Let me pitch the idea of Rondo helping him in that endeavor.

Oh and of course I mean to assure a contract extension before trading a mountain of assets for Melo. I wouldn't mind giving NY a couple of draft picks and some young talent if it means we start contending next season. I also think bringing a superstar to Boston helps is retain Rondo long-term.

On the other hand Melo is talking about opt-ing out after this season and we might be able to pick him up in FA if we can find a way to move Bass at the deadline. Color me interested in that.

I'm aware that most people think Melo wants a large market to play in but that shouldn't stop us from pursuing him. KG wanted to be a Laker, Dwight wanted to go to Brooklyn and Melo wants a big market. Sometimes things work out differently than they're intended. Pursuing Melo is a good move and I'm sure Danny has already made calls. The Knicks just aren't selling...yet.

[Galeto]

Yes, they were kind of the same.  Well, except for Pierce being a better shooter, a better passer, and a better defender.

Through age 29

Paul Pierce:  37.8 minutes  23.6 points, 3.9 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 1.7 steals, 44%/36%/79%

Carmelo Anthony:  36.4 minutes - 25.1 points, 3.1 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 1.1 steal 46%/34%/81%

I mean we're basically talking about dopplegangers here.

Per 36 minutes:

Pierce - 22.5 points, 6.2 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1.6 steals, 44%/36%/79%

Melo - 24.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.1 steals, 45%/34%/81%


Playoff games:

Melo - 66
Pierce - 37

Win/Loss Record:

Melo - 428-294 = .592
Pierce - 321-385 = .454


Resume:

Pierce - 5x All-star, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 0x All-Defense
Melo - 6x All-star, 2x All-NBA 2nd team, 4x All-NBA 3rd team, NCAA Champion, 2 Olympic Gold Medals, 0x All-Defense

Shenanigans:

Pierce - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwm2tolAHo
Melo - ?


I'd say it's a fair comparison.  All the "Melo is a cancer" stuff sounds ridiculous coming from Celtic fans.  They said all the same stuff about Pierce, but there was a valid argument that Pierce was a loser.  Melo has a track record of success.

Dopperganglers, really?  The only similarity between them has been rebounds and free throw drawing ability.  The big thing you're leaving out is the number of three point attempts (many for Pierce, much less for Carmelo).  Also, career shooting percentages leaves out how much more efficient Pierce was in his best seasons than Carmelo.  These are not small omissions.  If Carmelo shot threes as well as Pierce has, his value overall value would be a step or two higher.

I don't understand what your point is?  Are you just trying to compare their careers?  Are you saying that Pierce was overrated (hence your insistent claims that there VALID reasons for labelling Pierce a loser without offering any of those VALID reasons)? 

Or are trying to say that as Carmelo was a similar player to Pierce, he can take the next step at age 30 too so he's worth having?  Carmelo's numbers have basically not changed all that much.  He's going to put up average to slightly better than average efficiency shooting percentages, assist percentages around 15 percent and grab an above average number of boards.  The thing with Pierce is that besides getting a boast in efficiency from something like A- to A, his numbers didn't change.   

[tarheelsxxiii]

Can't believe how delusion Melo fans are. You realize what he will demand to sign for? He's literally the worst possible max-player in the league. I'm not sure there's competition. Fans seem to be reaching for anything...

Besides the fact he is not coming to Boston. There's nothing here for him. He chose the bright lights of NYC for a reason. If he was to leave, which I doubt, it'd be for LA.

We need a franchise piece that can work with others. Indy is a perfect example with George and company. Takes strong complimentary players to win a 'chip in this league. I can't see any one touching them this year.

[crimson_stallion]

Can't believe how delusion Melo fans are. You realize what he will demand to sign for? He's literally the worst possible max-player in the league. I'm not sure there's competition. Fans seem to be reaching for anything...

Besides the fact he is not coming to Boston. There's nothing here for him. He chose the bright lights of NYC for a reason. If he was to leave, which I doubt, it'd be for LA.

We need a franchise piece that can work with others. Indy is a perfect example with George and company. Takes strong complimentary players to win a 'chip in this league. I can't see any one touching them this year.

I dint think the people here Melo fans, we are Boston fans.  I don't even like Melo as a person or a player, but I understand his skill set is exactly what this team is missing and that adding him to our roster would make us contenders much faster.

Carmello Anthony is the third best player arguably  the most competitive position in the league.  Nobody can deny the fact that Carmello is a game changer.  Opposing teams change their entiregame plans when they play a guy like Melo.  The type of attention he draws on defense is crazy.  having aplayer that teams MUST focus on draws attentionaway from other guys on the court and creates more opportunities.  Combine that with Rondo and his lawmaking and well...definitely interesting.         

[guava_wrench]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

Iverson took Philly to the finals and AI was a selfish chucker. That Philly team had no one on it.

[chambers]

Always makes me laugh seeing the 'Melo is a selfish chucker with no D'.

Name one player that Melo has had that comes close to KG and Rondo?
He had Amare for 4 months before he lost a leg.
He's had a 32 year old Billups as his best PG and the only decent pass first pg he's had other than Felton.

Give the guy a break, Amare going down crushed any chance of that Knicks plan working out.
Do people remember he carried that crap denver team to the WCF ?

What help has he had?

Iverson took Philly to the finals and AI was a selfish chucker. That Philly team had no one on it.

That's true, but the East when AI took Philly to the finals was pathetic compared to the Western Conference in 2009.
Imagine if AI had been given a decent pair of wing men?
You think AI is taking that same team to the ECF in this current NBA? remember that was also the first year the NBA banned the zone defense. It's now back in play and guys like AI don't have that effect on the game.

[Celtics4ever]

Iverson took Philly to the finals and AI was a selfish chucker. That Philly team had no one on it.

Yep and they were crushed 4-1 I might add.

Here are Melo's  playoff stats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1975/seasontype/3/carmelo-anthony

Note that he only made it out of the first round, twice.  Most of the time he got you there and wilted.

.42 career shooter in the playoffs for Melo.    Iverson also got his team out of the first round, three times.

Melo is the pyrite of basketball; Fool's Gold.  Looks all nice and shiny and attracts people but worth nothing in the big picture. 

[freshinthehouse]

remember that was also the first year the NBA banned the zone defense. It's now back in play and guys like AI don't have that effect on the game.

Zone defenses have never been allowed in the NBA.  In 2001 the rules got more lax on zone defenses:
2001-02
•   Illegal defense guidelines will be eliminated in their entirety.
•   A new defensive three-second rule will prohibit a defensive player from remaining in the lane for more than three consecutive seconds without closely guarding an offensive player.

Before 2001 you had to stay within arms reach of player.  If you watch a game pre-2001 you'll see players get called for illegal defense.  That has been replaced with the more liberal defensive 3 seconds.

[Moranis]

Iverson took Philly to the finals and AI was a selfish chucker. That Philly team had no one on it.

Yep and they were crushed 4-1 I might add.

Here are Melo's  playoff stats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1975/seasontype/3/carmelo-anthony

Note that he only made it out of the first round, twice.  Most of the time he got you there and wilted.

.42 career shooter in the playoffs for Melo.    Iverson also got his team out of the first round, three times.

Melo is the pyrite of basketball; Fool's Gold.  Looks all nice and shiny and attracts people but worth nothing in the big picture.

Before Boston, Garnett had won exactly 2 playoff series and didn't even make the playoffs his last 3 years in Minnesota.  I guess he was fools gold as well.

[beklog]

Iverson took Philly to the finals and AI was a selfish chucker. That Philly team had no one on it.

Yep and they were crushed 4-1 I might add.

Here are Melo's  playoff stats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1975/seasontype/3/carmelo-anthony

Note that he only made it out of the first round, twice.  Most of the time he got you there and wilted.

.42 career shooter in the playoffs for Melo.    Iverson also got his team out of the first round, three times.

Melo is the pyrite of basketball; Fool's Gold.  Looks all nice and shiny and attracts people but worth nothing in the big picture.

Before Boston, Garnett had won exactly 2 playoff series and didn't even make the playoffs his last 3 years in Minnesota.  I guess he was fools gold as well.

But Garnett is not known to be a chucker and selfish like Melo

Garnett's problem why they can't advanced to the playoffs was the poor management and the talent in his roster