What kind of trade package do you think it would take for us to get Love?

[kozlodoev]

Green, Sullinger, Bradley, unprotected 2014 first. If we're lucky. And that'd be just because they already have Rubio.

[D.o.s.]

Green, Sullinger, Bradley, unprotected 2014 first. If we're lucky. And that'd be just because they already have Rubio.

I agree. Even if K-Love has really turned the page on his relationship with that front office, now that Kahn's not there, and isn't looking to split as far as possible they've gotta package him like he is.


Also Kevin Love sucks. Garbage numbers on a Garbage team.

[Monkhouse]

Wow so much hate on Kevin Love...

His team help isn't even that bad... Its just his individual one on one defense... Yes his defense isn't great overall, but technically rebounding on the defensive end counts as defense too... He grabs boards, hits threes easily, and is almost impossible to stop when hes on a shooting streak. See what the Clippers tried to do, and eventually they won it by some clutch shots in the 4th. Put him next to a defensive Center, and watch him shine... Pekovic is not a defensive Center, just a bruiser in the paint. Also while Sully is injury prone, so is Kevin Love... They have to think of getting an upgrade on SF, and a few draft picks plus a potential Allstar candidate PF in Sullinger should be enticing enough..

Can you guys imagine the pick and roll/pop type of play that Kevin Love/Rondo will be able to do? I firmly don't believe LA is where Love wants to be. He may think its the best spot and place for him based on his history, but he'd be better off playing for the Celtics, where they have a great pass first point guard that can get him easy looks, and with Love on our team we're definitely a contender just missing one more piece.

For a player that averages that much it doesn't matter if its on a garbage team... Anyone that can average over 10 RPG, and over 20 points isn't garbage....

Like I said before for a trade proposal.

Personally I would do this.

Sullinger+Green+Vitor Faverani  and 14 first round pick, and the 2015 Philly pick that is essentially two second rounders, and Miami Heat second round.

Green is a definite improvement of Brewer, who can't score as well, but can only defend. Green is a way better upgrade, and can or can not be the 3rd or 4th best player. Sullinger is already proving his potential, and he's 21 on a two year friendly contract. They get our draft pick this year, and use that as a good building block for whatever position they need.

I was hoping we could keep Green if we wanted to pick up Melo or Gasol later in the future. But right now as it stands, our picks, and Humphries can be our best asset.

[MBunge]

Wow so much hate on Kevin Love...

Weirdly, if Love's numbers weren't quite so eye-popping, he'd probably be even more lusted after by fans of other teams.  But when a guy puts up video game stats and still can't drag his team into the 8th seed, it puts a stink on him.

Mike

[Monkhouse]

Wow so much hate on Kevin Love...

Weirdly, if Love's numbers weren't quite so eye-popping, he'd probably be even more lusted after by fans of other teams.  But when a guy puts up video game stats and still can't drag his team into the 8th seed, it puts a stink on him.

Mike

It should and shouldn't...

If your point guard can't play defense except go for steals, and is averaging 29.1% shooting FG percent, and less than 35 percent from the 3pt line then that is a problem. Its also a bigger problem when Brewer can't do anything else except play subpar defense... Pekovic is a good Center, but he isn't by any means a rim protector.

You basically have a wing that can defend, but everyone else really can't. The bench also consists of players that are below average, and rarely ever perform beyond said expectations.

Put Kevin Love on this team, with a defensive Center, and trust me we'd be at least 3-4th seed in the West.

[D.o.s.]

Wow so much hate on Kevin Love...

Weirdly, if Love's numbers weren't quite so eye-popping, he'd probably be even more lusted after by fans of other teams.  But when a guy puts up video game stats and still can't drag his team into the 8th seed, it puts a stink on him.

Mike

He's overrated. And he doesn't make his team better. Granted, he's had some awful injury luck with his teammates, but I remain thoroughly unconvinced that Kevin Love is the panacea the Celtics need to be competitive. Especially if he can't even sniff the playoffs with a team that's better than the one he'd be headed to if he was traded to the Celtics.

As far as my bona fides for commenting--one of the NBA fans I split League Pass with is a massive Timberwolves fan, so I end up watching about 40 TWolves games a season.

[Monkhouse]

Wow so much hate on Kevin Love...

Weirdly, if Love's numbers weren't quite so eye-popping, he'd probably be even more lusted after by fans of other teams.  But when a guy puts up video game stats and still can't drag his team into the 8th seed, it puts a stink on him.

Mike

He's overrated. And he doesn't make his team better. Granted, he's had some awful injury luck with his teammates, but I remain thoroughly unconvinced that Kevin Love is the panacea the Celtics need to be competitive. Especially if he can't even sniff the playoffs with a team that's better than the one he'd be headed to if he was traded to the Celtics.

As far as my bona fides for commenting--one of the NBA fans I split League Pass with is a massive Timberwolves fan, so I end up watching about 40 TWolves games a season.

Well I guess we have different views... I mean the team on the Timberwolves are slightly better, because of better positions. But Rondo will make Love a even superstar. Rubio is a poor man's Rondo, and can't even finish as well as Rondo does...

All we need is a good solid wing, and a defensive Center, and we'll see...

[kozlodoev]

But Rondo will make Love a even superstar.

Love has always been able to get his own -- without Rubio and without Rondo. Pairing Love with Rondo does nothing to address Love's actual deficiencies, mostly related to the fact he can't defend the proverbial chair.

[Kane3387]

^^

Lol Rubio can't even shoot jumpers as well as rondo.

[Monkhouse]

But Rondo will make Love a even superstar.

Love has always been able to get his own -- without Rubio and without Rondo. Pairing Love with Rondo does nothing to address Love's actual deficiencies, mostly related to the fact he can't defend the proverbial chair.

That is why you get a defensive Center to mask his deficiencies...

If you're seriously telling me a duo of Love/Rondo isn't going to be amazing, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Fafnir]

Rubio is a pretty good defender actually, strong on team defense than individual but he does a good job.

Offensively he's becoming what C's fans had nightmares of Rondo becoming. (and maybe still don't)

A PG who can't shoot, can't finish, and is mostly scared to even try anything other than pass.

[SHAQATTACK]

Top five pick and players maybe

[aingeforthree]

To land Love, you'd need:

Green
Bass
Sullinger
2 first round picks (This years #1 unprotected and next years #1)

[KGs Knee]

To land Love, you'd need:

Green
Bass
Sullinger
2 first round picks (This years #1 unprotected and next years #1)

Highly unlikely Ainge would ever give up this year's pick, unprotected, for Kevin Love. Certainly not in addition to Sully and next year's pick. Massive overpay.

I could see doing three lesser, protected 1sts though. Maybe this year's Brooklyn pick (top 5 protected), next year's Celtics pick (top 5 protected), and the Clippers pick.

[nostar]

Highly unlikely Ainge would ever give up this year's pick, unprotected, for Kevin Love. Certainly not in addition to Sully and next year's pick. Massive overpay.

I could see doing three lesser, protected 1sts though. Maybe this year's Brooklyn pick (top 5 protected), next year's Celtics pick (top 5 protected), and the Clippers pick.

Yeah it would take something extraordinary for Ainge to move this year's pick unprotected. People forget how valuable top picks can be from a wage-scale-perspective. The chance to get a great player on a sub $5M deal for 4 years is tough to consider trading even for a superstar. The reasoning is that the superstar makes somewhere between 4-5 times as much (cap killer) and is usually 4-6 years older. Those are bad trade-offs for GMs except in very limited circumstances. The new CBA basically turned 1st round draft picks in to gold. Effectively using picks is the primary way small market teams can stay competitive in addition to premier scouting of course [see Spurs].

Players like Love, Melo and even Aldridge are all superstar players that one would assume merit 1st round picks in any trade. However they're all nearing the end of their deals and with the exception of Love they're all getting toward their last major contract (Aldridge=28, Melo=29). I'd be surprised if any team this year gave up a top-3 pick for any of those guys.

My package for Love would be the 2014 Nets/Hawks pick, the 2015 Clippers pick both with top-5 protection. I'd include Sully, Green and Bass to match salaries [http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine] and if they take back Wallace I'll give up our 2016 pick with the same protection To make the salaries work I'd try to get LRMM to fill our gaping hole at SF.

Three 1st rounders and two good young players is a huge package for Love. Minnesota would have to consider it. Love has 2 years left on his deal and he'll be in his prime for his next contract.