Keep Avery Thread

[Spicoli]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

[RRNoLookPass]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

Haha wow 

Knicks
Cavs
Bulls
Pistons
Kings
Nuggets

^^Those are just a half dozen teams off the top of my head that would probably love to have Bradley over their current starting SG. Not to mention teams like the Suns and Lakers, whom are starting inferior players right now due to injury.

[chambers]

I'm about ready to give up anybody but Sully and Rondo to get a serious center.

Olynyk is also a keeper.

I would trade bradley. There is a reason Danny did not give him the money he wanted to seemed like he deserved.

The guy will shoot 11-20 and score 22 points. Its ultra ineffficient

Good defender but lacks ideal height and is not very good offensively. If his 2 pt jump shot is not working he has no other way to get his game going offensively

 

11 of 20 is ultra inefficient ?

Lol, exactly. Avery is one of four ballers on this team. He can be had for between 6-7... other teams know his limitations. And he's a championship piece. AND, you're not landing Lance Stephenson. 0% chance. They have a potential dynasty budding over there.

How do they match salary if we offer Lance 12 million a year?

Avery's hands and finishing aren't NBA caliber, he's great but he ain't NBA starting 2 guard material on a true contender.
Why pay Avery 8 or 9 million if you can pry Lance away from the Pacers for 11 or 12 million.

My quote was 6-7 for Bradley, max. And I don't think we can pry Lance away for that money. Again, they have a potential dynasty over there. Relatedly, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to overpay him. And regardless, he isn't coming here... not even for 11-12.

You believe he wouldn't come here for 11 or 12 million? You gotta be kidding right?
I'm sorry, but an extra 2-3 million dollars per year, over 4 years is something he would 1000% leave the Pacers for.
David West avoided the Celtics in a championship contending season for an extra million and went for the Pacers who were no where near contending at that stage. He took the money and ran. I know West didn't have any loyalty to the Celtics, but regardless- Lance's agent is never endorsing any kind of pay cut to stay in Indiana- not on his first giant pay day lol.

It will be us, Chicago, Orlando, Philly, Cleveland...a whole fleet of teams lining up to pay him 10 million +

[EvilEmpire]

I'm about ready to give up anybody but Sully and Rondo to get a serious center.

Olynyk is also a keeper.

I would trade bradley. There is a reason Danny did not give him the money he wanted to seemed like he deserved.

The guy will shoot 11-20 and score 22 points. Its ultra ineffficient

Good defender but lacks ideal height and is not very good offensively. If his 2 pt jump shot is not working he has no other way to get his game going offensively

 

11 of 20 is ultra inefficient ?

Lol, exactly. Avery is one of four ballers on this team. He can be had for between 6-7... other teams know his limitations. And he's a championship piece. AND, you're not landing Lance Stephenson. 0% chance. They have a potential dynasty budding over there.

How do they match salary if we offer Lance 12 million a year?

Avery's hands and finishing aren't NBA caliber, he's great but he ain't NBA starting 2 guard material on a true contender.
Why pay Avery 8 or 9 million if you can pry Lance away from the Pacers for 11 or 12 million.

My quote was 6-7 for Bradley, max. And I don't think we can pry Lance away for that money. Again, they have a potential dynasty over there. Relatedly, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to overpay him. And regardless, he isn't coming here... not even for 11-12.

You believe he wouldn't come here for 11 or 12 million? You gotta be kidding right?
I'm sorry, but an extra 2-3 million dollars per year, over 4 years is something he would 1000% leave the Pacers for.
David West avoided the Celtics in a championship contending season for an extra million and went for the Pacers who were no where near contending at that stage. He took the money and ran. I know West didn't have any loyalty to the Celtics, but regardless- Lance's agent is never endorsing any kind of pay cut to stay in Indiana- not on his first giant pay day lol.

It will be us, Chicago, Orlando, Philly, Cleveland...a whole fleet of teams lining up to pay him 10 million +

West got 10 mil a year from Indiana compared to the 8mil he was going to get from the Celtics.
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/12/12/david_west_chooses_pacers_over_celtics/

[Celtics4ever]

I've been critical of Bradley a lot but I would keep him if the price was right.   I think his play last night at the end cost us the game.   He wants paid then he has to take the last shot with the game of the line and not pass it to no one.

[hardlyyardley]

Does he ice his shoulder after each game?

[Spicoli]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

Haha wow 

Knicks
Cavs
Bulls
Pistons
Kings
Nuggets

^^Those are just a half dozen teams off the top of my head that would probably love to have Bradley over their current starting SG. Not to mention teams like the Suns and Lakers, whom are starting inferior players right now due to injury.

Knicks (Shumpert is better)
Cavs (Waiters is better)
Bulls (Butler is better)
Pistons (Bradley might start over Caldwell Pope)
Kings (Bradley might start over Thornton)
Nuggets (Bradley might start over Foye)

For all of the teams that might start Bradley, it seems that would be the case because they don't have any better options which is the same case for the C's. The C's just don't have any better options at that spot at the moment.

[D.o.s.]

I'm about ready to give up anybody but Sully and Rondo to get a serious center.

Olynyk is also a keeper.

I would trade bradley. There is a reason Danny did not give him the money he wanted to seemed like he deserved.

The guy will shoot 11-20 and score 22 points. Its ultra ineffficient

Good defender but lacks ideal height and is not very good offensively. If his 2 pt jump shot is not working he has no other way to get his game going offensively

 

11 of 20 is ultra inefficient ?

Lol, exactly. Avery is one of four ballers on this team. He can be had for between 6-7... other teams know his limitations. And he's a championship piece. AND, you're not landing Lance Stephenson. 0% chance. They have a potential dynasty budding over there.

How do they match salary if we offer Lance 12 million a year?

Avery's hands and finishing aren't NBA caliber, he's great but he ain't NBA starting 2 guard material on a true contender.
Why pay Avery 8 or 9 million if you can pry Lance away from the Pacers for 11 or 12 million.

My quote was 6-7 for Bradley, max. And I don't think we can pry Lance away for that money. Again, they have a potential dynasty over there. Relatedly, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be willing to overpay him. And regardless, he isn't coming here... not even for 11-12.

You believe he wouldn't come here for 11 or 12 million? You gotta be kidding right?
I'm sorry, but an extra 2-3 million dollars per year, over 4 years is something he would 1000% leave the Pacers for.
David West avoided the Celtics in a championship contending season for an extra million and went for the Pacers who were no where near contending at that stage. He took the money and ran. I know West didn't have any loyalty to the Celtics, but regardless- Lance's agent is never endorsing any kind of pay cut to stay in Indiana- not on his first giant pay day lol.

It will be us, Chicago, Orlando, Philly, Cleveland...a whole fleet of teams lining up to pay him 10 million +

West got 10 mil a year from Indiana compared to the 8mil he was going to get from the Celtics.
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/12/12/david_west_chooses_pacers_over_celtics/

Not to contribute to the WALL OF QUOTES, but there's this from Grantland:

Q: The Pacers lost to the Bulls in the first round the season before you signed with them. Did you see this kind of development coming? Did you like Paul George’s game, or see Roy Hibbert becoming a rim protector like this?

A: Honestly, the only I guy I knew about was Danny [Granger]. I knew they were just about complete in terms of the next four to six years, with Paul [George] being in his second year, and all the other young guys. I knew there was going to be an opportunity to put my post in the ground here, if I was able to come in and have an impact.

Q: So you saw … something?

A: Absolutely, absolutely. I think that summer they had already traded for George [Hill] before the lockout set in, so I was like, “OK, they’ve got a point guard.” Basically, the team was set. And I knew, just in terms of my experience, I’d be able to come in and add something they didn’t have.


Q:How close were you really to signing with Boston? Did you talk with Danny Ainge personally, and other people there?

A: Yeah, I talked to Ainge. I talked to Doc [Rivers]. I talked to Ray [Allen]. It was definitely out there. I was just trying to weigh immediacy over the long haul. Ultimately, I made the right choice. I mean, all those guys are gone. They’re gone from Boston now. When I looked at everything, it made more sense for where I was in my career.

via:


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qa-david-west-on-the-heat-the-pacers-and-playing-with-an-edge/

[RRNoLookPass]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

Haha wow 

Knicks
Cavs
Bulls
Pistons
Kings
Nuggets

^^Those are just a half dozen teams off the top of my head that would probably love to have Bradley over their current starting SG. Not to mention teams like the Suns and Lakers, whom are starting inferior players right now due to injury.

Knicks (Shumpert is better)
Cavs (Waiters is better)
Bulls (Butler is better)
Pistons (Bradley might start over Caldwell Pope)
Kings (Bradley might start over Thornton)
Nuggets (Bradley might start over Foye)

For all of the teams that might start Bradley, it seems that would be the case because they don't have any better options which is the same case for the C's. The C's just don't have any better options at that spot at the moment.

Some people might argue that Shumpert is better than Bradley. But a lot of people would also agree that is a reach. But Waiters and Butler are better than Bradley? Yeah right. Are you talking about the same Jimmy Buttler who is shooting .378% from the field, and .297% from 3p range, and really doesn't do a single thing better than Bradley offensively? He's a solid defender, but is not on Bradley's level there either, and his offensive efficiency is way behind Bradley this yr. And Waiters? There's a reason the Cavs were trying to dump him earlier this yr. His attitude is so crappy, even the Cavs don't want him. And once again, the numbers don't lie...Avery is better than Waiters across the board, with the exception of Waiters having a slight edge in passing.

As for the part about other teams who would start Bradley because of not having any better options, that's my point. There is plenty of other teams (6or8 minimum I can think of) that would start Bradley in a heartbeat over their current starting SG, for lack of having a better option. That statement right there contradicts what you said in the first place about not being able to think of a single other team that would start Bradley.

[Spicoli]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

Haha wow 

Knicks
Cavs
Bulls
Pistons
Kings
Nuggets

^^Those are just a half dozen teams off the top of my head that would probably love to have Bradley over their current starting SG. Not to mention teams like the Suns and Lakers, whom are starting inferior players right now due to injury.

Knicks (Shumpert is better)
Cavs (Waiters is better)
Bulls (Butler is better)
Pistons (Bradley might start over Caldwell Pope)
Kings (Bradley might start over Thornton)
Nuggets (Bradley might start over Foye)

For all of the teams that might start Bradley, it seems that would be the case because they don't have any better options which is the same case for the C's. The C's just don't have any better options at that spot at the moment.

Some people might argue that Shumpert is better than Bradley. But a lot of people would also agree that is a reach. But Waiters and Butler are better than Bradley? Yeah right. Are you talking about the same Jimmy Buttler who is shooting .378% from the field, and .297% from 3p range, and really doesn't do a single thing better than Bradley offensively? He's a solid defender, but is not on Bradley's level there either, and his offensive efficiency is way behind Bradley this yr. And Waiters? There's a reason the Cavs were trying to dump him earlier this yr. His attitude is so crappy, even the Cavs don't want him. And once again, the numbers don't lie...Avery is better than Waiters across the board, with the exception of Waiters having a slight edge in passing.

As for the part about other teams who would start Bradley because of not having any better options, that's my point. There is plenty of other teams (6or8 minimum I can think of) that would start Bradley in a heartbeat over their current starting SG, for lack of having a better option. That statement right there contradicts what you said in the first place about not being able to think of a single other team that would start Bradley.

But there is no guarantee the Kings would start Bradley over Thornton, or the Pistons starting Bradley over Caldwell Pope. He's not so much better than those players that it would be a no brainer. As far as Butler and Waiters, both of those guys can dribble and make layups. Bradley cannot even make simple layups, layups that guys routinely make in pick up games. Despite the fact that he cannot make simple layups, he is good at spotting up from the corner and playing pressure defense. I don't think those two qualities are worth what he might be asking for though.

[LooseCannon]

The number of teams that should start Bradley is greater than the number of teams that would.

Also, CJ Miles is starting in Cleveland, not Waiters.

[fitzhickey]

The number of teams that should start Bradley is greater than the number of teams that would.

Also, CJ Miles is starting in Cleveland, not Waiters.

Mathew delladova got screwed over

[Dog_Lover106]

The number of teams that should start Bradley is greater than the number of teams that would.

Also, CJ Miles is starting in Cleveland, not Waiters.

And Miles is playing pretty well.

Would still love to get Waiters somehow. Guy is jacked and just looks like a scorer. He shot 0 for 4 today however and did not score. Bennett another DNP-CD. Yikes.

[Dog_Lover106]

Bradley is my least favorite Celtic at the moment. I can tell that he tries hard but I just...hate the way he plays on offense. He has very little coordination when trying to lay the ball up. His layups look like layups that i attempt when playing pickup ball (which isn't good). He just goes up really really weak. He either gets swatted, or he misses the layup point blank. Not to mention that he's the worst dribbling guard on the entire team, and his defense is a bit overrated. I really hope Ainge doesn't overpay for a backup SG like Bradley. I can't think of any other team in the league that would have him as their starting SG.

Haha wow 

Knicks
Cavs
Bulls
Pistons
Kings
Nuggets

^^Those are just a half dozen teams off the top of my head that would probably love to have Bradley over their current starting SG. Not to mention teams like the Suns and Lakers, whom are starting inferior players right now due to injury.

Knicks (Shumpert is better)
Cavs (Waiters is better)
Bulls (Butler is better)
Pistons (Bradley might start over Caldwell Pope)
Kings (Bradley might start over Thornton)
Nuggets (Bradley might start over Foye)

For all of the teams that might start Bradley, it seems that would be the case because they don't have any better options which is the same case for the C's. The C's just don't have any better options at that spot at the moment.

Some people might argue that Shumpert is better than Bradley. But a lot of people would also agree that is a reach. But Waiters and Butler are better than Bradley? Yeah right. Are you talking about the same Jimmy Buttler who is shooting .378% from the field, and .297% from 3p range, and really doesn't do a single thing better than Bradley offensively? He's a solid defender, but is not on Bradley's level there either, and his offensive efficiency is way behind Bradley this yr. And Waiters? There's a reason the Cavs were trying to dump him earlier this yr. His attitude is so crappy, even the Cavs don't want him. And once again, the numbers don't lie...Avery is better than Waiters across the board, with the exception of Waiters having a slight edge in passing.

As for the part about other teams who would start Bradley because of not having any better options, that's my point. There is plenty of other teams (6or8 minimum I can think of) that would start Bradley in a heartbeat over their current starting SG, for lack of having a better option. That statement right there contradicts what you said in the first place about not being able to think of a single other team that would start Bradley.

After the words with Kyrie, there was talk of a trade mainly from the Waiters side. He may have a crappy attitude, but of course just like you, I would have no way of knowing that.

What I do know is that the Cavs are not going to "dump" him. He would have pretty good value and a lot of teams would love to have him. He has big time scorer written all over him in my opinion. Fantastic shooting form and certainly one of the physically strongest two guards in the league. See the guy in person.....he is totally jacked.

Not really interested in shooting % numbers right now and I would take him in a heartbeat. Like Bradley too.

[Endless Paradise]

Shumpert's having his worse season by far as a professional basketball player; even his vaunted defense has taken a considerable dip.  I'd be hard pressed to call him better than Bradley at this point.