Keep Avery Thread

[guava_wrench]

I also thing like I said if we got in the playoffs this year, he'd get exposed guarding George or Wade. Both bigger, and could post him up. You could see that concern when Stevens had Crawford guarding the bigger backcourt players.

Still say stay on the team but at 5 to 6, not more than that.

We have already played Miami in the playoffs and AB has, in fact, been able to defend Wade. How many times does AB have to defend Wade successfully before you stop repeating that?

The advantage with someone like TA is that if he is playing 2, but has to pick up the 3 in transition, he as enough height to handle that. With 2 small guards, the SF really needs to always get back to his man.

AB is far better shooter than TA, while TA is a much better passer. AB is faaaar better with the ball in his hands on the fast break. TA is better at finishing lobs to the rim, but AB is also excellent at finishing on cuts.

If I remember correctly, TA was a 4 year college player. That means that he was about Bradley's age in his rookie season.

[Spicoli]

How much do people think Gerald Henderson is worth?

Avery is a very similar offensive player who is a superior defender (albeit significantly smaller).

Henderson is making $6 million a year.

Henderson can create his own shot. Bradley cannot score unless someone spoon feeds him or gets him open off a screen. I also think his defense is overrated unless he is pressing the ball full court, which he no longer does.

[Sketch5]

I also thing like I said if we got in the playoffs this year, he'd get exposed guarding George or Wade. Both bigger, and could post him up. You could see that concern when Stevens had Crawford guarding the bigger backcourt players.

Still say stay on the team but at 5 to 6, not more than that.

We have already played Miami in the playoffs and AB has, in fact, been able to defend Wade. How many times does AB have to defend Wade successfully before you stop repeating that?

The advantage with someone like TA is that if he is playing 2, but has to pick up the 3 in transition, he as enough height to handle that. With 2 small guards, the SF really needs to always get back to his man.

AB is far better shooter than TA, while TA is a much better passer. AB is faaaar better with the ball in his hands on the fast break. TA is better at finishing lobs to the rim, but AB is also excellent at finishing on cuts.

If I remember correctly, TA was a 4 year college player. That means that he was about Bradley's age in his rookie season.

Boston Played Miami in '11 and '12 and Bradley was in fact injured in both series... And didn't Felton own him in the NY series last year? Felton just bulled him over to the lane over and over again. And thats Felton. Thats why I question his size in the play offs.

I get the kid is young and has upside, and he's at the age of just getting out of college. And yes he's good, one of the best on the ball defenders in the league. But he also hasn't played a full season yet, hasn't gone a full two rounds in the playoffs. We're basing all of this off of a few moths worth of play. I wouldn't want to give 8 mill for potential.

I'd give him 4 years, 26 mill with a team option for 8 if he proves to be a reliable player and can do what he's done for a few months this season for most of his contract.

With the new CBA I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams not willing to pay guys like AB top dollar saving it for there max guys.     

[PhoSita]

How much do people think Gerald Henderson is worth?

Avery is a very similar offensive player who is a superior defender (albeit significantly smaller).

Henderson is making $6 million a year.

Henderson can create his own shot. Bradley cannot score unless someone spoon feeds him or gets him open off a screen. I also think his defense is overrated unless he is pressing the ball full court, which he no longer does.

Yeah, I was going to note that -- I haven't really noticed Avery making a major impact on defense this year.  I'm sure he's still been pretty good, but not like before.

I think Bradley is a bit more of a shot-creator than you give him credit for, though, at least in terms of mid-range shots off the dribble.  It's not a terribly efficient shot, though.  But he's managed some high scoring outings this year primarily using that shot.

Personally I don't value the deep mid-range shot very highly unless it's used to set up other kinds of shots, and Avery doesn't really have much else in his offensive repertoire except the spot-up corner three.  So if there's an opportunity to sell high on him to some other team that does really like Avery's mid-range game, I'd want to take advantage of it.

[Celtics18]

I know folks hate reading these kinds of comments in discussions about players' worth, but I can't quantify Avery Bradley's worth.  Let's be honest, he doesn't do anything all that well.  For me, there's just something about his attitude and his demeanor that makes me think that he's going to keep improving his game, that he'll always be a team player, and that he is going to end up being a very valuable role player on a contender, if not here then somewhere else. 

I really want to see him remain a Celtic for a long time, but I don't want to see Danny overpay for him.  If somebody is going to give him a contract worth $8 million a year, then I guess he's probably gone.  That seems like a stunningly unrealistic number, but I've read it thrown around quite a bit.  I would definitely consider signing him for a lengthy contract worth $5 million a year.  That seems realistic and doable from my perspective.

[PhoSita]

I know folks hate reading these kinds of comments in discussions about players' worth, but I can't quantify Avery Bradley's worth.  Let's be honest, he doesn't do anything all that well.  For me, there's just something about his attitude and his demeanor that makes me think that he's going to keep improving his game, that he'll always be a team player, and that he is going to end up being a very valuable role player on a contender, if not here then somewhere else. 

I really want to see him remain a Celtic for a long time, but I don't want to see Danny overpay for him.  If somebody is going to give him a contract worth $8 million a year, then I guess he's probably gone.  That seems like a stunningly unrealistic number, but I've read it thrown around quite a bit.  I would definitely consider signing him for a lengthy contract worth $5 million a year.  That seems realistic and doable from my perspective.

I agree.

Avery has always looked to be a very hard worker with a team-first attitude.  Sometimes people hate on him for being a "chucker" when he takes 15-20 shots in a game, but I think that comes from being on a team that hasn't had a real point guard to distribute and a total lack of players who can create shots or carry a large scoring load consistently.

If Avery were a few inches taller, I'd be far more intent on keeping him.  But he's a shooting guard with limited offensive skill in a point guard's body.  One significant injury that robs him of some of his speed and lift and he's probably reduced to a borderline rotation player. 

Speaking of which, it's important to remember that although Avery's been pretty healthy this year, he has a history of being fairly injury prone.

[Celtics18]

I know folks hate reading these kinds of comments in discussions about players' worth, but I can't quantify Avery Bradley's worth.  Let's be honest, he doesn't do anything all that well.  For me, there's just something about his attitude and his demeanor that makes me think that he's going to keep improving his game, that he'll always be a team player, and that he is going to end up being a very valuable role player on a contender, if not here then somewhere else. 

I really want to see him remain a Celtic for a long time, but I don't want to see Danny overpay for him.  If somebody is going to give him a contract worth $8 million a year, then I guess he's probably gone.  That seems like a stunningly unrealistic number, but I've read it thrown around quite a bit.  I would definitely consider signing him for a lengthy contract worth $5 million a year.  That seems realistic and doable from my perspective.

I agree.

Avery has always looked to be a very hard worker with a team-first attitude.  Sometimes people hate on him for being a "chucker" when he takes 15-20 shots in a game, but I think that comes from being on a team that hasn't had a real point guard to distribute and a total lack of players who can create shots or carry a large scoring load consistently.

If Avery were a few inches taller, I'd be far more intent on keeping him.  But he's a shooting guard with limited offensive skill in a point guard's body.  One significant injury that robs him of some of his speed and lift and he's probably reduced to a borderline rotation player. 

Speaking of which, it's important to remember that although Avery's been pretty healthy this year, he has a history of being fairly injury prone.

Agree with your agreement, particularly that first paragraph.  The fact that he's willing to take a lot of shots on this team without anyone who can really create offense is a plus for him in my opinion as opposed to a negative.  To me, it shows guts and a competitive attitude.  His shots are needed, and he's not afraid to take them. 

If you could combine Jeff Green's skills, size and athleticism with Avery Bradley's attitude and competitiveness, you'd have a heck of a player.  Maybe you'd have Paul George. 

[slamtheking]

if the price is right -- for a guy coming off the bench -- sure.  I still don't think he's starter, and more importantly closer, material.   C's really need a SG that can create their own shot and handle the ball better than AB. 

[apc]

Just for comparison,Tony Allen gets 5 a year.I like Avery but wouldn't overpay him.

[vjcsmoke]

IMO the best use of Avery Bradley is to package him for a top 10 pick in the upcoming draft.  This gets us a shot at a very talented young player, and then we can use the cap space we saved by not signing Bradley towards scooping up a guy like Lance Stephenson.

Bradley still has upside, but I don't ever see him turning into a starting caliber SG for us.  A great rotation player to have, but you can't win in the NBA with subpar SG unless you have a superstar SF.  And Green ain't that.

Other thought, why not trade Bradley plus assets for another young SG with more offensive upside?

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I'm a big AB fan

But ...I would trade him for Haywood  in some deal  or Grreen  for Haywood

hmmmmnnnnnnn

[ssspence]

Ainge is keeping Avery. He's an Ainge kinda guy.

[beklog]

As much as I like AB and his honey badger game he's very limited and only good for a backup SG..

he can obviously defend but a very limited SG
he can shoot but not efficiently, can't pass and handle the ball and a very undersized SG...

[Dog_Lover106]

Not for $8 million per year.

I'd rather give that money to Lance Stephenson.

No way you are getting Lance Stephenson for 8 million a year unless he has some sort of "character issue" relapse.

Pacers are playing George Hill 8 million per for the next three years and David West 12 million per. Stephenson is looking at a near max contract IMO. He is young, a match up nightmare and playing at a all star level.

I love Bradley, but nationally we are talking about two very different valued players.

[apc]

Ainge is keeping Avery. He's an Ainge kinda guy.

He traded Perkins,and did not extend Tony Allen.in both cases they wanted to much money.