Kevin Love frustrated in Minny,Would you include Sully in a trade to get Love ?

[Fafnir]

His fouls were down a bunch early in the season, they're creeping back up into truly horrific levels lately though.

[BballTim]

You're joking if you seriously think Sully is just a role player... If DA said Sully was up for trade, you'd get at least 10-15 interested teams..

And you're deluding yourself if you think he's anything more. For reference, check the Oklahoma City Hornets, who had their own Sullinger in David West.

Ummm... You didn't prove anything. If anything you proved my point.... 
Per 36 Sullinger has better numbers than the year David West started... Plus West is 25, and Sullinger is 21 putting up 13.8 PPG, 7.1 RPG on averages of 26.1 MPG...

In his first year David West actually starting he was 25 averaging 34.1 MPG 17.1 and 7.1 RPG.

We have no idea what Sullinger may actually accomplish at his highest ceiling. If he perfects his three point shooting, or does a better FGA/% who knows how much PPG he'll have?

Plus I think Sully has some very underrated passing for a PF imo...

I'm sure the Celtics would love to play Sullinger 36 minutes. The problem is he fouls so much that they can't. Plus, West never carried 40 extra pounds, or had to have preventative back surgery.

  Bigs fouling a lot early in their careers isn't that uncommon. It's a problem that frequently lessens over time.

[kozlodoev]

So I guess agree to disagree until Sullinger turns 25 same age as David West? 

Until Sullinger shows me a sustained ability for something more than effective contribution in limited minutes, he's a roleplayer on my list. He's played 30+ minutes in less than half of his games this season.

[nickagneta]

If he gets traded its next year at the trade deadline not this year but if we land Love then, it has to come with an extension and it has to come with the understanding that the Celtics pursue and land Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Andre Drummond or some other rim protecting, defensive anchor of a center that can match with Rondo and Love.

Love is a great asset but what Minnesota is finding out is that without some offense from the PG position and without a defensive anchor as a center, you can't win with just Love as your cornerstone. Pekovic is a bad fit alongside Love and Rubio gets others involved but generates zero offense himself.

A Rondo-Bradley-2014 draft pick(Wiggins/Parker/Gordon)-Love-Marc Gasol team is a team that can defend, contend and be around a while contending.

[kozlodoev]

Bigs fouling a lot early in their careers isn't that uncommon. It's a problem that frequently lessens over time.

Kevin Love's PF36 in his first three seasons: 3.6, 2.9, 2.0
David West's PF36 in his first three seasons: 1.6, 2.1, 2.9
Brandon Bass 's PF36 in his first three seasons: 2.4, 3.4, 3.5

Jared Sullinger: 6.2 last season, 4.8 this season.

For a non-shot blocking forward, this rate is abysmal. Let's not pretend there isn't an issue there.

[BballTim]

So I guess agree to disagree until Sullinger turns 25 same age as David West? 

Until Sullinger shows me a sustained ability for something more than effective contribution in limited minutes, he's a roleplayer on my list. He's played 30+ minutes in less than half of his games this season.

  I'm guessing that the bulk of his low minute games were at the beginning  of the season (when he was coming back from surgery) or when he was dealing with that hand injury don't figure into the equation for you? I can see the argument that he has health issues but he doesn't at all look like a player that can't be effective when he gets big minutes.

[BballTim]

Bigs fouling a lot early in their careers isn't that uncommon. It's a problem that frequently lessens over time.

Kevin Love's PF36 in his first three seasons: 3.6, 2.9, 2.0
David West's PF36 in his first three seasons: 1.6, 2.1, 2.9
Brandon Bass 's PF36 in his first three seasons: 2.4, 3.5, 3.5

Jared Sullinger: 6.2 last season, 4.8 this season.

For a non-shot blocking forward, this rate is abysmal. Let's not pretend there isn't an issue there.

  The average pf fouls about 3.3 times per36. Sully's above that, but he's down quite a bit since his rookie year. There's an issue there, but I think it will be smaller than you imagine when he's a few years older.

[kozlodoev]

So I guess agree to disagree until Sullinger turns 25 same age as David West? 

Until Sullinger shows me a sustained ability for something more than effective contribution in limited minutes, he's a roleplayer on my list. He's played 30+ minutes in less than half of his games this season.

  I'm guessing that the bulk of his low minute games were at the beginning  of the season (when he was coming back from surgery) or when he was dealing with that hand injury don't figure into the equation for you? I can see the argument that he has health issues but he doesn't at all look like a player that can't be effective when he gets big minutes.

That doesn't matter much when there's always something preventing him from getting big minutes.

[kozlodoev]

His fouls were down a bunch early in the season, they're creeping back up into truly horrific levels lately though.

Yeah, being 280 lbs would do that to you. Conditioning matters.

[BballTim]

So I guess agree to disagree until Sullinger turns 25 same age as David West? 

Until Sullinger shows me a sustained ability for something more than effective contribution in limited minutes, he's a roleplayer on my list. He's played 30+ minutes in less than half of his games this season.

  I'm guessing that the bulk of his low minute games were at the beginning  of the season (when he was coming back from surgery) or when he was dealing with that hand injury don't figure into the equation for you? I can see the argument that he has health issues but he doesn't at all look like a player that can't be effective when he gets big minutes.

That doesn't matter much when there's always something preventing him from getting big minutes.

  We'll see. His back is the only thing I've seen that I'd expect to threaten his minutes in the long term. 

[crimson_stallion]

Yes, I would.  I think it's a bit of a no brainer.

I've never been the hugest fan of Love but he is a similar type of player to Sullinger, only better.  He basically is the player we all hope Sully one day becomes.

Sully is going to be a good player, but his attitude has me a bit worried.  The whole assault thing (regardless of whether it was dismissed or not) combined with his temdancy to rack up flagrant fouls hints to me that he's not the charming poster boy we all seem to think he is. 

Love is a worse player defensively by quite a large degree, but he straight up gives you more.  Sully us probably a 20/10 guy at best, while Love is more like a 25/13 guy and that is pretty impressive.  The only thing with love is that you'd also need to put an elite defensive center next to him. 

If we could get Love I'm a trade and then draft Embiid in the off-season I think that's a match made in heaven.

[MichaelJ]

How exactly are we getting Marc Gasol?

[manl_lui]

Yes, I would.  I think it's a bit of a no brainer.

I've never been the hugest fan of Love but he is a similar type of player to Sullinger, only better.  He basically is the player we all hope Sully one day becomes.

Sully is going to be a good player, but his attitude has me a bit worried.  The whole assault thing (regardless of whether it was dismissed or not) combined with his temdancy to rack up flagrant fouls hints to me that he's not the charming poster boy we all seem to think he is. 

Love is a worse player defensively by quite a large degree, but he straight up gives you more.  Sully us probably a 20/10 guy at best, while Love is more like a 25/13 guy and that is pretty impressive.  The only thing with love is that you'd also need to put an elite defensive center next to him. 

If we could get Love I'm a trade and then draft Embiid in the off-season I think that's a match made in heaven.

If Embiid shows that he does have the potential and even be half of Hakeem, I think this team will be in contention within 2 years. Rondo/Bradley/Green/Love/Embiid looks amazing

Scoring wise

Love as first option
Bradley as second option
Rondo as third option
Green as fourth option (I think Green will thrive here)

Defensively, we have Embiid and Bradley. And I think Bayless plays very well for us.

So at the end, I think by that time, our only threat in the East would be the Pacers?? I believe the Heat big 3 will disband when Wade start declining, or Bosh leaves for money.

[Moranis]

If he gets traded its next year at the trade deadline not this year but if we land Love then, it has to come with an extension and it has to come with the understanding that the Celtics pursue and land Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, Andre Drummond or some other rim protecting, defensive anchor of a center that can match with Rondo and Love.

Love is a great asset but what Minnesota is finding out is that without some offense from the PG position and without a defensive anchor as a center, you can't win with just Love as your cornerstone. Pekovic is a bad fit alongside Love and Rubio gets others involved but generates zero offense himself.

A Rondo-Bradley-2014 draft pick(Wiggins/Parker/Gordon)-Love-Marc Gasol team is a team that can defend, contend and be around a while contending.

Boston - Love, Asik
Minnesota - Humphries, Sullinger, both 2014 1st's
Philly - Bradley, Motiejunas, Bogans, Philly pick
Houston - Hawes, Turner