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Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #225 on: January 15, 2014, 02:47:51 PM »

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I think the Sixers makes the playoffs next year they have a pretty good young core and they will add 2 lottery picks this year. We could be looking at 3 first rounders in 2015.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #226 on: January 15, 2014, 02:49:04 PM »

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I think the Sixers makes the playoffs next year they have a pretty good young core and they will add 2 lottery picks this year. We could be looking at 3 first rounders in 2015.

again, I do not know much about college ball or future prospects

how is the draft in 2015? is it as hyped as this year's?

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #227 on: January 15, 2014, 02:51:08 PM »

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Boston will also be receiving cash in the this deal, sources say.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #228 on: January 15, 2014, 02:54:34 PM »

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I think the Sixers makes the playoffs next year they have a pretty good young core and they will add 2 lottery picks this year. We could be looking at 3 first rounders in 2015.

again, I do not know much about college ball or future prospects

how is the draft in 2015? is it as hyped as this year's?


It's not as good but it gives another good asset for a trade .

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #229 on: January 15, 2014, 02:55:22 PM »

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I think the Sixers makes the playoffs next year they have a pretty good young core and they will add 2 lottery picks this year. We could be looking at 3 first rounders in 2015.

again, I do not know much about college ball or future prospects

how is the draft in 2015? is it as hyped as this year's?

No.  Now, it could be that some talented players in this draft will stay an extra year of school because this draft is so deep, thus depleting this one a little and adding to the depth of next year's.  Next year won't be 2013 barren, but it's not currently projected to be historically stocked, either.  However, having 3 1sts is never a bad thing.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #230 on: January 15, 2014, 03:08:53 PM »

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Jordan Crawford is a terrible player however. So he is putting up 13 and 6 on a terrible team playing what, 35 to 40 minutes a night?
Sadly, your perception just doesn't match the reality. Crawford plays 30 minute a night (posting 14 and 6 in the process). That's on track to post 18/8 if he did indeed play 40 minutes a night -- just in case you wondered :P

...Crawford is a terrible player, though. And he was a bad teammate from an objective perspective. Anyone who watched a game realized that Crawford was not in the long term plans for a competitive team. He shot more shots than everyone on the team other than Bradley and Green--that could explain for his high point totals.

He averaged the most TOs on the team, and his FG percentage had dropped to just 1 pt higher than Bayless' on the season. I think you're giving the dude too much credit. A lot of players' stats look great when spread out over 40 minutes.
On a per-minute basis, he took less shots than Bradley, Green and Sullinger. He also took just .5 shot per 36 minutes more than Courtney Lee. Pegging him as the 4-5 scoring option on the team is probably an accurate assessment.
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Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #231 on: January 15, 2014, 03:13:17 PM »

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Jordan Crawford is a terrible player however. So he is putting up 13 and 6 on a terrible team playing what, 35 to 40 minutes a night?
Sadly, your perception just doesn't match the reality. Crawford plays 30 minute a night (posting 14 and 6 in the process). That's on track to post 18/8 if he did indeed play 40 minutes a night -- just in case you wondered :P

...Crawford is a terrible player, though. And he was a bad teammate from an objective perspective. Anyone who watched a game realized that Crawford was not in the long term plans for a competitive team. He shot more shots than everyone on the team other than Bradley and Green--that could explain for his high point totals.

He averaged the most TOs on the team, and his FG percentage had dropped to just 1 pt higher than Bayless' on the season. I think you're giving the dude too much credit. A lot of players' stats look great when spread out over 40 minutes.
On a per-minute basis, he took less shots than Bradley, Green and Sullinger. He also took just .5 shot per 36 minutes more than Courtney Lee. Pegging him as the 4-5 scoring option on the team is probably an accurate assessment.

for every good shot he took, he'd take 5 bad ones. 

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #232 on: January 15, 2014, 03:13:39 PM »

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Jordan Crawford is a terrible player however. So he is putting up 13 and 6 on a terrible team playing what, 35 to 40 minutes a night?
Sadly, your perception just doesn't match the reality. Crawford plays 30 minute a night (posting 14 and 6 in the process). That's on track to post 18/8 if he did indeed play 40 minutes a night -- just in case you wondered :P

...Crawford is a terrible player, though. And he was a bad teammate from an objective perspective. Anyone who watched a game realized that Crawford was not in the long term plans for a competitive team. He shot more shots than everyone on the team other than Bradley and Green--that could explain for his high point totals.

He averaged the most TOs on the team, and his FG percentage had dropped to just 1 pt higher than Bayless' on the season. I think you're giving the dude too much credit. A lot of players' stats look great when spread out over 40 minutes.
On a per-minute basis, he took less shots than Bradley, Green and Sullinger. He also took just .5 shot per 36 minutes more than Courtney Lee. Pegging him as the 4-5 scoring option on the team is probably an accurate assessment.

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Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #233 on: January 15, 2014, 03:17:53 PM »

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Jordan Crawford is a terrible player however. So he is putting up 13 and 6 on a terrible team playing what, 35 to 40 minutes a night?
Sadly, your perception just doesn't match the reality. Crawford plays 30 minute a night (posting 14 and 6 in the process). That's on track to post 18/8 if he did indeed play 40 minutes a night -- just in case you wondered :P

...Crawford is a terrible player, though. And he was a bad teammate from an objective perspective. Anyone who watched a game realized that Crawford was not in the long term plans for a competitive team. He shot more shots than everyone on the team other than Bradley and Green--that could explain for his high point totals.

He averaged the most TOs on the team, and his FG percentage had dropped to just 1 pt higher than Bayless' on the season. I think you're giving the dude too much credit. A lot of players' stats look great when spread out over 40 minutes.
On a per-minute basis, he took less shots than Bradley, Green and Sullinger. He also took just .5 shot per 36 minutes more than Courtney Lee. Pegging him as the 4-5 scoring option on the team is probably an accurate assessment.

Tommy Point for being reality based.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #234 on: January 15, 2014, 03:22:34 PM »

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Boston will also be receiving cash in the this deal, sources say.

oh gee, will they use some of that probable $3 million to not raise season ticket prices again next season? or do we have to yet again pay even more to watch the great Joel Anthony?

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« Reply #235 on: January 15, 2014, 03:22:58 PM »

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So J Anthony played 37 minutes, scored 6 pts, 7 rebs, 4 blocks; that isn't a bad game.  Oh wait, that is his entire season,......Never mind.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #236 on: January 15, 2014, 03:31:20 PM »

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This trade on its own makes no sense for Boston...they basically gave up Crawford and Brooks for nothing.  All they get back is Joel Anthony (who is crap and is owed the same money) and two (likely second round) draft picks.

I am assuming this deal was made to make room for a bigger deal - most likely that Danny needed either roster spaces, draft picks or a guy on a $3M contract (or all three) to make the next deal work.

Either that or Danny made the trade to purposely make the team worse in the hope of losing more games and getting the worst record possible for the draft.

Tanking or prelude for another deal would be the only two explainations that make any sense for Boston.

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« Reply #237 on: January 15, 2014, 03:31:55 PM »

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Wow, people really seem to be hung up on Joel Anthony.
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Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #238 on: January 15, 2014, 03:44:23 PM »

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Is obvious why we made this trade. Anthony is Canadian we brought him to comfort Wiggins next season along with Olynyk.

Re: Brooks and Crawford Just traded. (Per Woj Tweet)
« Reply #239 on: January 15, 2014, 03:45:36 PM »

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This trade on its own makes no sense for Boston...they basically gave up Crawford and Brooks for nothing.  All they get back is Joel Anthony (who is crap and is owed the same money) and two (likely second round) draft picks.

I am assuming this deal was made to make room for a bigger deal - most likely that Danny needed either roster spaces, draft picks or a guy on a $3M contract (or all three) to make the next deal work.

Either that or Danny made the trade to purposely make the team worse in the hope of losing more games and getting the worst record possible for the draft.

Tanking or prelude for another deal would be the only two explainations that make any sense for Boston.

Calm down.  This deal makes plenty of sense.  First of all, Crawford was not that wanted.  GSW gave up Toney Douglass for him.  Miami could have had Crawford, but preferred to pay less money and get Douglass.  Last year, Danny got him for nothing.  No protected second-rounder.  Not even a trade exception to Washington.  Just two vet min expiring contracts, one of whom was out for the year.   That's it.  Crawford is not a very valuable player.

Second of all, Boston gets one of the following:

1) A first-round pick this year or next year, likely to be in the 15-20 range, and a 2nd rounder in 2016.

OR

2) A 2nd rounder in 2015, which is guaranteed to be early in the round, as otherwise Philly would have had a good enough record to give up a first, and TWO second rounders in 2016.

They got this for a player who last year no one wanted, who this summer no one wanted, and this off-season will not be given a qualifying offer.  They got this because they were willing to take on $3.8 million in salary from the Heat, some of which they're getting paid back for.

As I've said already in this thread, Boston's goal this offseason is to sign a free agent through a sign-and-trade, or to get a good player from a team that is looking to shed salary/rebuild themselves.  To do this, they need two things: draft picks, and expiring contracts in 2015.  They got both of those in this trade, for someone they didn't want and no one else did all that much either.  And if they don't succeed at making a trade this offseason, they still acquired draft picks, potentially one that can be as good as #15 overall next year.

At worst it was an okay trade for Boston.  Depending what comes of either the Philly draft pick or what they're able to flip it for, it has the potential to be much better.