Sullinger's Flagrants

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Of his two flagrants the other night, the first was a horrible call.

I found both flagrant to be textbook. You can't hack down on a player from behind and throw him out of bounds even if you did get the ball in the process.

I didn't think Sully threw him out of bounds; it looked to me like Sully got all ball with his right hand, and there was body contact that caused the other player to fall ... that might be a foul, but I don't see anything flagrant about it.

First, you're now allowed to do a hack-down with both hands the way he did. That always gets tagged as unnecessary/excessive.

Also, that wasn't "body contact that caused the other player to fall", but clearly a move that gave Gibson an impetus out of bounds.

Put the two together, the argument for a Flagrant-1 becomes pretty strong. The second flagrant was just dumb, he should know better.

Well, he didn't push Hickson, if that's what you mean. I watched the video again, from an under-the-basket type of angle, and even though Sully did bring both hands down, his left hand/arm seems to barely hit Hickson (in other words, it looked a lot worse than it was). The impetus out of bounds was generated by, first, Hickson driving hard to the rim, and second, Sully bumping him from behind with his body. The NBA seems to agree with me.

[celtics24]

refs just making weak calls

[action781]

Of his two flagrants the other night, the first was a horrible call.

I found both flagrant to be textbook. You can't hack down on a player from behind and throw him out of bounds even if you did get the ball in the process.

I didn't think Sully threw him out of bounds; it looked to me like Sully got all ball with his right hand, and there was body contact that caused the other player to fall ... that might be a foul, but I don't see anything flagrant about it.

First, you're now allowed to do a hack-down with both hands the way he did. That always gets tagged as unnecessary/excessive.

Also, that wasn't "body contact that caused the other player to fall", but clearly a move that gave Gibson an impetus out of bounds.

Put the two together, the argument for a Flagrant-1 becomes pretty strong. The second flagrant was just dumb, he should know better.

I also do not think that first flagrant should have been called as one.

[celtic -_- pride]

do people really think last nights foul on griffin was really worth a flagrant ? my real choice of words are prohibited on this website but lets not make this league into a soft, annoying, over dramatic presentation of basketball. sully is a throw back type of player and its a shame that the nba doesn't allow more contact. maybe the lack of consistency is the real issue and it's been a problem for a while. the ref's are terribly inconsistent. personally i think sully's play is all about team. he's not giving up and he's showing heart. he doesn't allow easy layups and he lets the other team know that. the c's were getting embarrassed in the paint. if sully was playing his normal position i don't think he would have as many "hard fouls". he needs to use his size and strength to compete against taller more athletic guys. its not a matter of him being malicious it's a matter of a smaller less athletic guy getting bullied and responding. kid has heart. and say kid even though im only older than him by a year and a half.

[LooseCannon]

do people really think last nights foul on griffin was really worth a flagrant ?

I think it is borderline, but I think sometimes you have to be willing to commit flagrant fouls.

[D.o.s.]

Of his two flagrants the other night, the first was a horrible call.

I found both flagrant to be textbook. You can't hack down on a player from behind and throw him out of bounds even if you did get the ball in the process.

I didn't think Sully threw him out of bounds; it looked to me like Sully got all ball with his right hand, and there was body contact that caused the other player to fall ... that might be a foul, but I don't see anything flagrant about it.

First, you're now allowed to do a hack-down with both hands the way he did. That always gets tagged as unnecessary/excessive.

Also, that wasn't "body contact that caused the other player to fall", but clearly a move that gave Gibson an impetus out of bounds.

Put the two together, the argument for a Flagrant-1 becomes pretty strong. The second flagrant was just dumb, he should know better.

I also do not think that first flagrant should have been called as one.

Neither did the NBA--they rescinded the ruling the next day.


And, for what it's worth, PJ and Mike discussed whether or not Sullinger would've been called for a flagrant on Griffin if he hadn't been ejected the night before. Their conclusion was that it would not have been a flagrant.

And that's all well and good, but Sullinger needs to know that, and adjust his play accordingly. For all his highly touted basketball IQ, he looked like a petulant child out on the court last night, and the night before.

[Smitty77]

I think its frustration because he's not playing well, shooting like crap lately.

It doesn't worry me beyond his poor overall play.

I doubt ANY of us would play very well with one healthy hand.  Let's give Sully a break and let him get healthy and appreciate what he is giving us while hurt, which is almost a double/double EVERY night.

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

He's going to miss games in the future, that's a problem. Though if he doesn't start shooting better then he needs to sit. We've lost a ton of close games in this slide, having him shoot 30% is a big part of that.

How in the world is that a "problem??"  It is a BLESSING!!  More losses is a GREAT thing!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

He's going to miss games in the future, that's a problem. Though if he doesn't start shooting better then he needs to sit. We've lost a ton of close games in this slide, having him shoot 30% is a big part of that.

Does anyone realize he is hurt on this board??

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

I'm going to agree with Gerald Wallace, who said:

Like I said, they had everything going, so it is what it is. I'm just happy to see somebody take a hard foul from our bigs," he said. "He's the only big that's willing to take a hard foul not to give up a layup. I'll take that all day. We get hammered going to the hole, we shouldn't allow the other team to just come in and lay it up and dunk on us. I applaud him for that.

Second this.