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Re: Does This Celtics Season Prove Old Argument?
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This season proves that Brown is an unselfish player.   He was capable of putting up bigger stats, but was more interested in helping the team.

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One of the most successful tandems ever was Jordan and Pippen. Aren't they as similar as Tatum and Brown?

I think what get conflated is if the question is if they are perfect together or and they bad together.  I think it is easy to say that they are not perfect together but that does not mean that they are bad together or that there is some problem  Bad tandems don't win titles.  Brown and Giannis, for example would potentially be a better pairing than Brown and Tatum.  Kind of like Jokic and Murray are a great tandem.  But Brunson and Towns are the same blueprint but not all that successful.

I am perfectly happy with Brown and Tatum.  There are potentially slightly better pairings, but not many.  Brown-Jokic or Tatum-Jokic? Sure.  Tatum and SGA?  Sure.  Are there really that many others?

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One of the most successful tandems ever was Jordan and Pippen. Aren't they as similar as Tatum and Brown?

I think what get conflated is if the question is if they are perfect together or and they bad together.  I think it is easy to say that they are not perfect together but that does not mean that they are bad together or that there is some problem  Bad tandems don't win titles.  Brown and Giannis, for example would potentially be a better pairing than Brown and Tatum.  Kind of like Jokic and Murray are a great tandem.  But Brunson and Towns are the same blueprint but not all that successful.

I am perfectly happy with Brown and Tatum.  There are potentially slightly better pairings, but not many.  Brown-Jokic or Tatum-Jokic? Sure.  Tatum and SGA?  Sure.  Are there really that many others?
Jordan and Pippen were collectively much better passers, ball handlers, and took better care of the ball than Brown and Tatum and it isn't close (in addition to just being better players overall).  But yes they weren't necessarily an ideal fit, but given their better passing and ball handling they could make it work very well.  That is similar to Lebron and Wade who had similar fit issues, but also just so much talent. 
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This season proves that Brown is an unselfish player.   He was capable of putting up bigger stats, but was more interested in helping the team.
His assist-to-turnover ratio is the lowest its been in the last 3 seasons. His scoring efficiency is similar though on the increased attempts. 
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I think to win 2 or more in an era takes a full blown transcendent player like Steph, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, and you might add Shai etc.. Tatum nor Brown are that.

Days of big dynasties might be over.
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One of the most successful tandems ever was Jordan and Pippen. Aren't they as similar as Tatum and Brown?

IMO, Jordan & Pippen had more defining roles than Tatum & Brown.

Jordan was the pure scorer & secondary defender, Pippen was the ball handling playmaker & lead defender.

I also think the fact that Jordan was the senior of the two helped their dynamic. Jordan was the big brother to Pippen, where as Brown is the big brother, yet plays second fiddle to Tatum.