WEEI is talking about the Celtics and that T word again

[Nerf DPOY]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

MVP of that finals Wade?  What pick was he? Why did Bron and Bosh go to Miami? Wade? what pick was he again? oh, year he was a high lottery pick...

2008 C's - turned a lottery pick ( Jeff Green ) into Ray Allen which in turn got you KG and a title.  That's how you build...

The #6 pick was also part of the KG deal. While the Wolves took Flynn at that spot, Steph Curry was taken immediately after with the #7 pick.

The 6 pick was the Wolves own pick. They had Boston's pick that year as part of the trade but it was #28.

[Smokeeye123]

Sportshub is a joke. Gary Tanguay knows nothing about anything, Felger is really only knowledgable about Hockey and Massorati is only knowledgable about Baseball. When they all 'debate' it's a cluster.

[crimson_stallion]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

1st pick: Derrick Rose
2nd pick: Beasley
3rd pick: OJ Mayo
4th pick: Russel Westbrook
5th pick: Kevin Love
6th pick: Gallinari
7th pick: Eric Gordon
8th pick: Joe Alexander
9th pick: DJ Augustin
10th pick Brook Lopez
11th pick: Jerryd Bayless

So of those 11 top picks, 5 became big stars: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon and Brook L.  I would say that 4 of those 5 are the best player on their team, with Westbrook being a second banana to Durant.  This is hardly a knock against bottoming out, especially as 2008 is considered an inferior draft to this one. Our GM isn't the type of guy who would pick Joe Alexander 8th overall, either.

  Gordon and Lopez are the best players on their teams?

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

I would also quite possible argue that Lopez is the best player in Broklyn right now. Deron has been pretty mediocre and a shadow of his former self, while Lopez has been putting up 20 point games on a nightly bases and has really been the only player on that team to show any consistency (until he got hurt).

[fantankerous]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

1st pick: Derrick Rose
2nd pick: Beasley
3rd pick: OJ Mayo
4th pick: Russel Westbrook
5th pick: Kevin Love
6th pick: Gallinari
7th pick: Eric Gordon
8th pick: Joe Alexander
9th pick: DJ Augustin
10th pick Brook Lopez
11th pick: Jerryd Bayless

So of those 11 top picks, 5 became big stars: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon and Brook L.  I would say that 4 of those 5 are the best player on their team, with Westbrook being a second banana to Durant.  This is hardly a knock against bottoming out, especially as 2008 is considered an inferior draft to this one. Our GM isn't the type of guy who would pick Joe Alexander 8th overall, either.

  Gordon and Lopez are the best players on their teams?

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

I would also quite possible argue that Lopez is the best player in Broklyn right now. Deron has been pretty mediocre and a shadow of his former self, while Lopez has been putting up 20 point games on a nightly bases and has really been the only player on that team to show any consistency (until he got hurt).

Ben Gordon and Eric Gordon are not the same person.

[guava_wrench]

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

That's ERIC Gordon. Eric Gordon is actually a good basketball player.

Ben Gordon -- not so much. As chucker, he can have an outlier season where he seems good. If guys like him have those seasons before becoming a free agent, they get big contracts and end up epic busts.

[DarkAzcura]

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

That's ERIC Gordon. Eric Gordon is actually a good basketball player.

Ben Gordon -- not so much. As chucker, he can have an outlier season where he seems good. If guys like him have those seasons before becoming a free agent, they get big contracts and end up epic busts.

Ben Gordon's career to date has been muuccccch better than Eric Gordon's. Eric Gordon's got talent, but he's injury prone. I doubt he'll ever be able to put it together honestly, and he hasn't been able to match Ben Gordon's level of work from the Bulls. Ben Gordon was a beast on the Bulls. He wasn't some inefficient chucker. He's been pretty bad since he left there, though.

Just felt like pointing that out especially since Eric Gordon has done absolutely nothing in his career so far. That poster was posting about the wrong Gordon, though, I know that.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Ben Gordon's career to date has been muuccccch better than Eric Gordon's. Eric Gordon's got talent, but he's injury prone. I doubt he'll ever be able to put it together honestly, and he hasn't been able to match Ben Gordon's level of work from the Bulls. Ben Gordon was a beast on the Bulls. He wasn't some inefficient chucker. He's been pretty bad since he left there, though.

Just felt like pointing that out especially since Eric Gordon has done absolutely nothing in his career so far. That poster was posting about the wrong Gordon, though, I know that.

Eric Gordon is an all-star and FIBA gold medal winner and has lead 2 teams in scoring over his like 5 years in the league, 2 of which he was injured for.  It's not even close.

Also, right now, Brook Lopez is the best player on the Nets.  Historically he has nothing on the careers of Pierce, KG or Williams, but right now he is their best piece.

--And adding an edit: Brook Lopez is out for the season?  I hate rooting for injuries, but wow ATL lost Horford and now the Nets lose Lopez.  We're now in the running for two lottery picks in one of the strongest drafts in 15 years

[BballTim]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

1st pick: Derrick Rose
2nd pick: Beasley
3rd pick: OJ Mayo
4th pick: Russel Westbrook
5th pick: Kevin Love
6th pick: Gallinari
7th pick: Eric Gordon
8th pick: Joe Alexander
9th pick: DJ Augustin
10th pick Brook Lopez
11th pick: Jerryd Bayless

So of those 11 top picks, 5 became big stars: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon and Brook L.  I would say that 4 of those 5 are the best player on their team, with Westbrook being a second banana to Durant.  This is hardly a knock against bottoming out, especially as 2008 is considered an inferior draft to this one. Our GM isn't the type of guy who would pick Joe Alexander 8th overall, either.

  Gordon and Lopez are the best players on their teams?

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

I would also quite possible argue that Lopez is the best player in Broklyn right now. Deron has been pretty mediocre and a shadow of his former self, while Lopez has been putting up 20 point games on a nightly bases and has really been the only player on that team to show any consistency (until he got hurt).

  I would say that Rose and Noah (at least) were better than Gordon. Deron's a better player than Lopez when healthy.

[guava_wrench]

Ben Gordon's career to date has been muuccccch better than Eric Gordon's. Eric Gordon's got talent, but he's injury prone. I doubt he'll ever be able to put it together honestly, and he hasn't been able to match Ben Gordon's level of work from the Bulls. Ben Gordon was a beast on the Bulls. He wasn't some inefficient chucker. He's been pretty bad since he left there, though.

Just felt like pointing that out especially since Eric Gordon has done absolutely nothing in his career so far. That poster was posting about the wrong Gordon, though, I know that.

Did you actually look at their career stats before posting? They actually have pretty similar stats. Except Eric Gordon's highs in pretty much every category are higher than Ben's. Eric is also higher in eFG%, TS%, and Per over his career.

So Ben Gordon was a one dimensional gunner, though he did it very well a few years in Chicago. Eric Gordon was able to do the same scoring, while also doing other things and while doing it at a more efficient rate.

So, no, Ben Gordon's career is not way better. Perhaps Eric Gordon has been overhyped, but not near as much as Ben Gordon was.

[clover]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

1st pick: Derrick Rose
2nd pick: Beasley
3rd pick: OJ Mayo
4th pick: Russel Westbrook
5th pick: Kevin Love
6th pick: Gallinari
7th pick: Eric Gordon
8th pick: Joe Alexander
9th pick: DJ Augustin
10th pick Brook Lopez
11th pick: Jerryd Bayless

So of those 11 top picks, 5 became big stars: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon and Brook L.  I would say that 4 of those 5 are the best player on their team, with Westbrook being a second banana to Durant.  This is hardly a knock against bottoming out, especially as 2008 is considered an inferior draft to this one. Our GM isn't the type of guy who would pick Joe Alexander 8th overall, either.

  Gordon and Lopez are the best players on their teams?

That draft shows what a difference one notch in the draft--just from 11 to 10--can make as well.

[BballTim]

They are not wrong, getting into the lottery to secure assets is the only way to rebuild. 

Miami would disagree.

first title won after acquiring Shaq.

Last couple won by signing Bron and Bosh. 

having the #2 pick in Beasley didn't exactly pan out for them.

1st pick: Derrick Rose
2nd pick: Beasley
3rd pick: OJ Mayo
4th pick: Russel Westbrook
5th pick: Kevin Love
6th pick: Gallinari
7th pick: Eric Gordon
8th pick: Joe Alexander
9th pick: DJ Augustin
10th pick Brook Lopez
11th pick: Jerryd Bayless

So of those 11 top picks, 5 became big stars: Rose, Westbrook, Love, Gordon and Brook L.  I would say that 4 of those 5 are the best player on their team, with Westbrook being a second banana to Durant.  This is hardly a knock against bottoming out, especially as 2008 is considered an inferior draft to this one. Our GM isn't the type of guy who would pick Joe Alexander 8th overall, either.

  Gordon and Lopez are the best players on their teams?

That draft shows what a difference one notch in the draft--just from 11 to 10--can make as well.

  Players like Hibbert, Ibaka, Batum and Ryan Anderson were still on the board at 11.

[action781]

I cannot name one person on either WEEI or the SportsHub that knows the first thing about the NBA. I tend to avoid those shows where they try to discuss the Celtics. It's quite a painful mix of the obvious, wrong, and just plain useless stuff.

I don't listen much to either station any more, but Mike Holley used to know basketball decently enough when he had a postgame show on CSN a couple years ago.  Is he still on in primetime on EEI?  I couldn't even tell you for certain.  Can anybody comment on how his basketball knowledge/insight has been lately?

[action781]

I could very easilly argue that Gordon was the best player on the Bulls for a while there - he was quite a beast back when we knocked them out in the first round some years back (when KG was injured).  You could make an argument for Deng on that team as well, but Gordon was a beast and gave us nightmared every time he touched the ball.

That's ERIC Gordon. Eric Gordon is actually a good basketball player.

Ben Gordon -- not so much. As chucker, he can have an outlier season where he seems good. If guys like him have those seasons before becoming a free agent, they get big contracts and end up epic busts.

Ben Gordon's career to date has been muuccccch better than Eric Gordon's. Eric Gordon's got talent, but he's injury prone. I doubt he'll ever be able to put it together honestly, and he hasn't been able to match Ben Gordon's level of work from the Bulls. Ben Gordon was a beast on the Bulls. He wasn't some inefficient chucker. He's been pretty bad since he left there, though.

Just felt like pointing that out especially since Eric Gordon has done absolutely nothing in his career so far. That poster was posting about the wrong Gordon, though, I know that.

Wow this thread has taken like 3 turns in completely unexpected directions...

1.  A claim that Eric Gordon is the best player on the hornets
2.  Mistaking Eric Gordon for Ben Gordon
3.  An multiple post debate over which Gordon is the better one in a thread about WEEI and the celtics tanking

[LarBrd33]

Brooklyn is on the rise.  They just tied us in the standings.  If the season ended today, we'd have the 8th best odds in the lotto.  Looking good.

But Rondo could come back and we could easily see our pick go to #15.

[PhoSita]

Brooklyn is on the rise.  They just tied us in the standings.  If the season ended today, we'd have the 8th best odds in the lotto.  Looking good.

But Rondo could come back and we could easily see our pick go to #15.

Have to figure the standings won't be this close for the rest of the season, right?  There's no way the 3rd seed in the East will finish just 7 games ahead of the 2nd worst record.

Maybe I'm just hoping and praying that's the case.