2014 NBA Draft Discussion Thread

[freshinthehouse]

Do any of those Syracuse prospects look like NBA quality talent?

[Tr1boy]

Do any of those Syracuse prospects look like NBA quality talent?

Grant and fair do.

I think ennis will have problems in the nba though

[indeedproceed]

Do any of those Syracuse prospects look like NBA quality talent?

Grant and fair do.

I think ennis will have problems in the nba though

I saw the last 8 minutes of the second half and overtime, and wasn't impressed with Grant despite the stat line. He was being guarded by guys who couldn't foul or guys who were seriously undersized. When he was playing against guys his own size who could spare a foul, he looked just okay.

CJ Fair looked a lot better, more skilled anyways.

Jabari Parker looked great though even though his shot wasn't falling. He loves to play basketball, plays hard and with serious passion. Please dear basketball Jesus, let us draft Jabari Parker and let him be as good as I think he will be.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Is it safe to say that Jabari Parker's NBA floor is about a Jeff Green?

I mean, AT WORST, I think he will average 14 per game. Not something you want for a top 3 pick, but that's the worst case scenario.

[indeedproceed]

Is it safe to say that Jabari Parker's NBA floor is about a Jeff Green?

I mean, AT WORST, I think he will average 14 per game. Not something you want for a top 3 pick, but that's the worst case scenario.

I don't think so. Parker plays with more enthusiasm. You can just see it, he's engaged all the time. Duke I thought misused him a little in that game, but even with his shot being off, he was having a positive impact on the game. Hustle monster, finding other ways to contribute, even it it just meant Duke stopped ceding the paint at every inlet pass.

I'm not sure where Id put his basement or his ceiling anymore. His body needs major work, but nothing a nutritionist and full time trainer wouldn't fix. He reminds me of Carmelo, but Carmelo was a way better college player. I'm also starting to think there is pretty small chance he'll ever be able to defend against nba 3s. Not without significant work on his footwork and honestly, overall athleticism.

I really have no idea. Ceiling, a more team oriented but less talented Carmelo Anthony. Basement? Man I just do not know. Michael Beasley on his best behavior day?

[JBcat]

Is it safe to say that Jabari Parker's NBA floor is about a Jeff Green?

I mean, AT WORST, I think he will average 14 per game. Not something you want for a top 3 pick, but that's the worst case scenario.

I don't think so. Parker plays with more enthusiasm. You can just see it, he's engaged all the time. Duke I thought misused him a little in that game, but even with his shot being off, he was having a positive impact on the game. Hustle monster, finding other ways to contribute, even it it just meant Duke stopped ceding the paint at every inlet pass.

I'm not sure where Id put his basement or his ceiling anymore. His body needs major work, but nothing a nutritionist and full time trainer wouldn't fix. He reminds me of Carmelo, but Carmelo was a way better college player. I'm also starting to think there is pretty small chance he'll ever be able to defend against nba 3s. Not without significant work on his footwork and honestly, overall athleticism.

I really have no idea. Ceiling, a more team oriented but less talented Carmelo Anthony. Basement? Man I just do not know. Michael Beasley on his best behavior day?

I think the best comparison I've seen is Glenn "big dog" Robinson.

[indeedproceed]

Is it safe to say that Jabari Parker's NBA floor is about a Jeff Green?

I mean, AT WORST, I think he will average 14 per game. Not something you want for a top 3 pick, but that's the worst case scenario.

I don't think so. Parker plays with more enthusiasm. You can just see it, he's engaged all the time. Duke I thought misused him a little in that game, but even with his shot being off, he was having a positive impact on the game. Hustle monster, finding other ways to contribute, even it it just meant Duke stopped ceding the paint at every inlet pass.

I'm not sure where Id put his basement or his ceiling anymore. His body needs major work, but nothing a nutritionist and full time trainer wouldn't fix. He reminds me of Carmelo, but Carmelo was a way better college player. I'm also starting to think there is pretty small chance he'll ever be able to defend against nba 3s. Not without significant work on his footwork and honestly, overall athleticism.

I really have no idea. Ceiling, a more team oriented but less talented Carmelo Anthony. Basement? Man I just do not know. Michael Beasley on his best behavior day?

I think the best comparison I've seen is Glenn "big dog" Robinson.

I've seen that one too, and I think it's a good one. I've seen Jamal Mashburn too.

But I think that the issue is when you say that he reminds you of Glen Robinson is that people immediately picture a mostly forgettable career. They forget how hyped big dog was out of college, and it was the fact that he never really improved on that. If he'd grown as a player, whole different story.

[Tr1boy]

did not watch the duke vs cuse game. But saw the boxscore

Grant  and Fair both did better than parker

[indeedproceed]

did not watch the duke vs cuse game. But saw the boxscore

Grant  and Fair both did better than parker

You really missed an awesome game then, and your assessment of Parker will be lacking context.

I woke up my infant son twice during the last minutes of regulation. My wife would've been mad if she hadn't screamed twice as loud every time duke hit a trey

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAb0njzvpw

looks like it was a serious game.

So its not correct to say CF fair played a better game then parker?  He had 28 and i assume a good chunk of that was against parker

[indeedproceed]

Parker was guarding Christmas for most of what I saw.

[Dog_Lover106]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAb0njzvpw

looks like it was a serious game.

So its not correct to say CF fair played a better game then parker?  He had 28 and i assume a good chunk of that was against parker

I watched ever second of this game and 90% of all Duke and Syracuse games this year. You are correct. Fair and Grant were fantastic and outplayed Parker. Parker was not even the best player for Duke, let alone in the game.

Duke stayed in the game with unreal 3 point shooting and Jefferson playing strong inside. Parker was blocked twice at the rim, once by Grant and again shot poorly. One nice left handed dunk, an "and-one" drive and a nice steal after he lost the ball.

Grant did have smaller players on him when Jefferson got four fouls, but Hood and Plumlee covered him some too. Funny, the same Parker and Wiggins cheerleaders fawn over Wiggins getting 19 rebounds or Embiid blocking shots against Iowa State, with George Niang playing center, yet discredit Grant for dunking every play over smaller players?

I do not dislike Parker. I hope and expect him to be a good player, but so sick of the hype a for guy shooting under 40% in the ACC. He is strong and a good rebounder, but does not make players better around him when shooting poorly.

Why cannot people just say Grant and Fair played great and probably Parker was the fifth best player on the floor, as Dawkins, Hood and Jefferson played great as well. Parker will get better, but no way is he an impact NBA player right now.

I watch a lot of national level HS, AAU and college basketball. Really do not need Dicky. V or ESPN to tell me who is great.

Same in the Big 12. Texas plays awesome and Embiid received two facials, Selden had 21, yet some how Wiggins 7 points and his foul out are the story?

Iowa State beats OU and both Niang (27) and Ejim (22/16) have huge games. Markel Brown gets 24 for OSU, and several Baylor players have great games. Yet some how the media wants to tell me about Marcus Smart and his 15 points in a loss?

Sorry for the rant. Sick of the hype. Guess ESPN etc. figures they need "star power" to attract the average fan to it's product. Kind of reminds of professional golf and how TV coverage shows Tiger Woods every shot, even when he is ten shots out of the lead on Sunday.

 

[SHAQATTACK]

Thing about Parker and Wiggins. Both.......they are smooth ......and seem to play at a controlled level of energy ........oh yes they make mistakes and fouls .  One day he'll control games when he puts it all together .  ......he is so young.

But what I'm saying is they have that extra something or gear that they can go to ....when they feel its necessary and seem to toy with the other players at the college level.  Parker is running 75 % and other guys are busting tail to just stay even.

They are just freshmen ....imagine what three years NBA training will do for their skill sets .

Parker will double double his first NBA game .

Still .....Boston probably should take Embiid if they get the chance......he'll be a dominate big one day.

[Galeto]

Selden had a nice game offensively against Texas but wow is he bad defensively.  His defense has been awful all season. It's less freshman issues of team defense and more just a severe lack of lateral quickness.  He's a good run and jump athlete but he almost never contains his man off the dribble.  The only time he "contains" his man is if he settles for jumpers off the dribble.  I'm not sure he's good enough offensively to make up for his defensive issues.

I hope Parker can regain his scoring efficiency.  He's been shooting under 40 percent for most of his games since his hot start.  It looks like he's slower off his feet or maybe  he's always been that way.  He's a good leaper with space, better than Pierce at the same age but he doesn't pop off the ground.  It's affected him on drives as it's enabled defenders to block a lot of his shots.  Carmelo's an average at best finisher around the basket as well (albeit in the much higher level of the NBA) so it's possible for Parker to be a high volume scorer with the other weapons he has in his arsenal.

I can't tell which Harrison twin is doing what but both of them had good games against Missouri.  There's still time for them to rehabilitate their draft stock and go mid-first round.  They could be in play for the Nets/Hawks pick.

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeAb0njzvpw

looks like it was a serious game.

So its not correct to say CF fair played a better game then parker?  He had 28 and i assume a good chunk of that was against parker

I watched ever second of this game and 90% of all Duke and Syracuse games this year. You are correct. Fair and Grant were fantastic and outplayed Parker. Parker was not even the best player for Duke, let alone in the game.

Duke stayed in the game with unreal 3 point shooting and Jefferson playing strong inside. Parker was blocked twice at the rim, once by Grant and again shot poorly. One nice left handed dunk, an "and-one" drive and a nice steal after he lost the ball.

Grant did have smaller players on him when Jefferson got four fouls, but Hood and Plumlee covered him some too. Funny, the same Parker and Wiggins cheerleaders fawn over Wiggins getting 19 rebounds or Embiid blocking shots against Iowa State, with George Niang playing center, yet discredit Grant for dunking every play over smaller players?

I do not dislike Parker. I hope and expect him to be a good player, but so sick of the hype a for guy shooting under 40% in the ACC. He is strong and a good rebounder, but does not make players better around him when shooting poorly.

Why cannot people just say Grant and Fair played great and probably Parker was the fifth best player on the floor, as Dawkins, Hood and Jefferson played great as well. Parker will get better, but no way is he an impact NBA player right now.

I watch a lot of national level HS, AAU and college basketball. Really do not need Dicky. V or ESPN to tell me who is great.

Same in the Big 12. Texas plays awesome and Embiid received two facials, Selden had 21, yet some how Wiggins 7 points and his foul out are the story?

Iowa State beats OU and both Niang (27) and Ejim (22/16) have huge games. Markel Brown gets 24 for OSU, and several Baylor players have great games. Yet some how the media wants to tell me about Marcus Smart and his 15 points in a loss?

Sorry for the rant. Sick of the hype. Guess ESPN etc. figures they need "star power" to attract the average fan to it's product. Kind of reminds of professional golf and how TV coverage shows Tiger Woods every shot, even when he is ten shots out of the lead on Sunday.

+1. Fair and grant had better games