Our salary cap situation this summer if.................?

[jade88]

Ok we know the following deals are expiring this summer,


Hump's 12 Mill

Bogan's 5 Mill

Ab's deal along with Craw's and Brooks's. All small rookie esque scale deals for a few Million combined. Pretty sure we can dump Pressey too.


Now what if we were able to move Gerald Wallace and Courtney Lee for non guaranteed deals?


What i'm really getting at is, if we had a guy like Carmelo  willing to sign on the dotted line and it all came down to moving Wallace and Lee. Would it give us the cap needed to offer a max deal?


What would our cap look like if we only had

Rondo
Sully
Green
Bass
Vitor
Kelly O


Could we afford to get a max guy, retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

[Lucky17]

Everything you need to answer those questions can be found here:

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

[saltlover]

Ok we know the following deals are expiring this summer,


Hump's 12 Mill

Bogan's 5 Mill

Ab's deal along with Craw's and Brooks's. All small rookie esque scale deals for a few Million combined. Pretty sure we can dump Pressey too.


Now what if we were able to move Gerald Wallace and Courtney Lee for non guaranteed deals?


What i'm really getting at is, if we had a guy like Carmelo  willing to sign on the dotted line and it all came down to moving Wallace and Lee. Would it give us the cap needed to offer a max deal?


What would our cap look like if we only had

Rondo
Sully
Green
Bass
Vitor
Kelly O


Could we afford to get a max guy, retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

No.  If you are able to trade away Wallace and Lee by using your draft picks, and don't want to keep AB or Crawford, and waive the MLE and trade exception, you might have enough room to add Melo at his max deal if the salary cap comes in at the top of its projections.  This would leave you with the room exception (about $2.7 mil, or a little over half of the MLE) and minimum salaries to fill out the rest of your roster.  Bradley's cap hold is too high to allow him to be retained and acquire Melo.  Even a first round pick would likely be too expensive.  If you're Ainge and you want Melo at the cost of everything else, and convince him to sign here, you can possibly do it, but that's about it for your roster.  Not very advisable in my personal opinion.

[jade88]

Ok we know the following deals are expiring this summer,


Hump's 12 Mill

Bogan's 5 Mill

Ab's deal along with Craw's and Brooks's. All small rookie esque scale deals for a few Million combined. Pretty sure we can dump Pressey too.


Now what if we were able to move Gerald Wallace and Courtney Lee for non guaranteed deals?


What i'm really getting at is, if we had a guy like Carmelo  willing to sign on the dotted line and it all came down to moving Wallace and Lee. Would it give us the cap needed to offer a max deal?


What would our cap look like if we only had

Rondo
Sully
Green
Bass
Vitor
Kelly O


Could we afford to get a max guy, retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

No.  If you are able to trade away Wallace and Lee by using your draft picks, and don't want to keep AB or Crawford, and waive the MLE and trade exception, you might have enough room to add Melo at his max deal if the salary cap comes in at the top of its projections.  This would leave you with the room exception (about $2.7 mil, or a little over half of the MLE) and minimum salaries to fill out the rest of your roster.  Bradley's cap hold is too high to allow him to be retained and acquire Melo.  Even a first round pick would likely be too expensive.  If you're Ainge and you want Melo at the cost of everything else, and convince him to sign here, you can possibly do it, but that's about it for your roster.  Not very advisable in my personal opinion.

Why is the cap designed to be so restrictive even when you don't have alot of salary on your roster?

[saltlover]

Ok we know the following deals are expiring this summer,


Hump's 12 Mill

Bogan's 5 Mill

Ab's deal along with Craw's and Brooks's. All small rookie esque scale deals for a few Million combined. Pretty sure we can dump Pressey too.


Now what if we were able to move Gerald Wallace and Courtney Lee for non guaranteed deals?


What i'm really getting at is, if we had a guy like Carmelo  willing to sign on the dotted line and it all came down to moving Wallace and Lee. Would it give us the cap needed to offer a max deal?


What would our cap look like if we only had

Rondo
Sully
Green
Bass
Vitor
Kelly O


Could we afford to get a max guy, retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

No.  If you are able to trade away Wallace and Lee by using your draft picks, and don't want to keep AB or Crawford, and waive the MLE and trade exception, you might have enough room to add Melo at his max deal if the salary cap comes in at the top of its projections.  This would leave you with the room exception (about $2.7 mil, or a little over half of the MLE) and minimum salaries to fill out the rest of your roster.  Bradley's cap hold is too high to allow him to be retained and acquire Melo.  Even a first round pick would likely be too expensive.  If you're Ainge and you want Melo at the cost of everything else, and convince him to sign here, you can possibly do it, but that's about it for your roster.  Not very advisable in my personal opinion.

Why is the cap designed to be so restrictive even when you don't have alot of salary on your roster?

Because it's a cap, and what's the point if it's incredibly easy to circumvent?  As is, those 6 players you mentioned take up 56% of the cap space, because they make a lot collectively.  This is why I think it's not a good strategy to pay to dump Lee and Wallace, since doing so still doesn't give us the room to get a max player without other hard choices as well.  The time to target is either the 2014-2015 offseason, or maybe even the 2015-2016 offseason of Green picks up his player option for 2015-2016.  Looking at next year's free agency as a time to add a star, unless via a sign-and-trade, is going to be a disappointment.

[jade88]

Well how would you explain this article from our very own CB than?

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/7/19/4538484/the-celtics-can-sign-a-max-free-agent-next-season

[Lucky17]

Well how would you explain this article from our very own CB than?

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/7/19/4538484/the-celtics-can-sign-a-max-free-agent-next-season

What about it? It very clearly spells out the hurdles the Celtics need to clear should they wish to blow their cap space on a max player. But this--

retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

--really isn't possible.

[saltlover]

Well how would you explain this article from our very own CB than?

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/7/19/4538484/the-celtics-can-sign-a-max-free-agent-next-season

What about it? It very clearly spells out the hurdles the Celtics need to clear should they wish to blow their cap space on a max player. But this--

retain AB if he lowered his rate, get a solid center, and get a mid level 6th man like Pierce?

--really isn't possible.

Additionally, since Melo makes more than the maximum salary this year, as max deals were lessened in the recent CBA, his max is actually going to be higher than the regular max salary.  He'd cost about $22.4 mil to sign, far more than a max player coming off his restricted deal.  Not all max contracts are the same.

[LooseCannon]

What i'm really getting at is, if we had a guy like Carmelo  willing to sign on the dotted line and it all came down to moving Wallace and Lee. Would it give us the cap needed to offer a max deal?

The scenario you are probably looking at is what Golden State did to sign Iguodala.  They could send picks to Utah so that the Jazz would take on the contracts of Jefferson and Biedrins with their extra cap space, creating room to sign Iguodala, so Denver was induced to agree to a sign-and-trade so they get a little something out of the deal.

The best scenario for the Celtics to sign Carmelo Anthony if he wanted to come to Boston is to find another team which would take on Wallace, Lee, and Bass for the price of three firsts and a couple of seconds so that there was cap space to sign a big free agent to a contract, then go to the Knicks, point out they will lose Melo for nothing, but if they agree to take back Wallace and Lee, the teams can do a sign-and-trade for Melo and give the Knicks some picks (but fewer than the other team would get for renting out cap space).  If the Knicks want to slash payroll, you can use the unguaranteed contract of Bogans as part of the deal.  Maybe a free agent such as Kris Humphries would be amenable to being part of a sign-and-trade, if they like him.

That way, the Knicks get assets to rebuild and the Celtics don't have to send out as many picks, possibly retain Bass and his expiring contract to be used in a future deal (or to keep him as a useful player), and don't have to renounce the trade exception from the Nets trade, which they would have to do if they used cap space to sign a free agent.

[obnoxiousmime]

It's really difficult to sign a star using the cap space method. If you clear your team of big deals, it usually means that the talent on your roster is not great enough to convince a star to come over. Even if you're smart enough to draft well, young players still on their rookie deals are typically not ready to compete for championships (unless you have a dominant Shaq there to hold Wade or Kobe's hand). It might be different if more superstars came out as 4 yr. college graduates but that never happens anymore. Not to mention, your team is at the mercy of the superstar FA's decision. For every Miami Heat that is asked to go to the prom, there are 5 Dallas Mavericks at home eating ice cream in their prom dress.

The current team trying this method is the Cleveland Cavs. They've set themselves up to sell LeBron on a homecoming and a chance to play with Irving, Waiters, and Varejao. Unfortunately for them Irving is still so young, Waiters doesn't look like a star befitting of a fourth overall pick, and Varejao still gets injured all the time. They also seem to have fumbled the Bennett pick. Their record this year proves their guys are either overrated are simply too young right now. A championship-ready team of veterans wouldn't have a guy like Waiters openly pining for a trade so he can be "the man" on a team.