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Offline Bosstown

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Think about this, they've all been playing very well and really have no value to us. They're actually hurting the rebuild by winning lol. Also I don't want to overpay avery or jordan, and then stay in NBA land of mediocrity when we're too good to get a pick and too bad to contend.

Danny is going to trade all three of them, get value and then hope that the team plays itself in the lottery. For one I hope that happens, we NEED a lottery pick in this draft.
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I thinknits ridoculous to think all 3 are gone unless you are getting a stud which they wouldn't get u

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What about

Ab + jcraw for hayward

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I feel like Bass is definitely gone because his contract is reasonable for two years, he'd really help a contender, and he's not really a critical piece for the Celtics going forward.

Bradley might be dealt if the right deal came along but if reports are true the Celts have already offered him a mid-level extension than it seems likely as a restricted free agent the team is confident it can keep him. No team is going to be offering him 8 million a year.

The fate of Crawford is uncertain because it depends on Rondo and Bradley. I think the Celts would be hard-pressed to commit financially to Rondo, Crawford, AND Bradley next season. The way Crawford is playing he will not come cheap.

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I feel like Bass is definitely gone because his contract is reasonable for two years, he'd really help a contender, and he's not really a critical piece for the Celtics going forward.

Bradley might be dealt if the right deal came along but if reports are true the Celts have already offered him a mid-level extension than it seems likely as a restricted free agent the team is confident it can keep him. No team is going to be offering him 8 million a year.

The fate of Crawford is uncertain because it depends on Rondo and Bradley. I think the Celts would be hard-pressed to commit financially to Rondo, Crawford, AND Bradley next season. The way Crawford is playing he will not come cheap.

I feel the complete opposite with Bass.  He's a solid performer that would help going forward & he's already signed.

The other 2 are a different story based on their current contract status.  With no extension looming for Bradley, he's a definite trade candidate.  Same with Crawford.  Crawford might be even more so just based on Rondo coming back and eating his minutes.

I know Ainge loves Bradley, as do I, but is he worth 8/9 M per going forward ?  Not sure of that yet.  Maybe he is.  Still young and developing really.

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AB - I would be surprised if he is moved, they would have to be far apart in contract talk IMO.

JC - I can see that, he is an unrestricted FA at year end and has built up his value, sell high!

Bass - I hope so, he's been playing great, but that is a bad thing for us lol. Sully and KO should get those minutes and we could get a pick for him I'm sure (20-30) range.

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I do really wonder what the franchise's plans to manage salaries looks like.

Staying under the tax line, if Bradley gets his current salary plus, say, what Bogans is making presently for next year, that'd probably be in the ballpark of what he wants.

Crawford...where does the money come from for his raise next year?  Not sure...

Bass has really won me over, but he makes too much for a backup (to Sully).  He could help another team, and should.

Lee makes too much to be a 4th guard.

Wallace makes too much coming off the bench.

That's the package to try to trade out:  Bass, Lee, and Wallace(not Bradley or Crawford).  Unfortunately, that's going to be a hard group to move, especially together.

So...the OP is more likely correct that young players like Bradley/Crawford get traded to hopefully return a piece that fits (like, say, a starting C).

Too bad.

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Ainge will be looking to move all 3.
I, like you, hope he finds some trade suitors.

The only known fact I have with Avery is that they couldn't agree on an extension. That's it. Danny won't give him what he wants so he's probably gone. He's an undersized tweener that wildly inconsistent and injury prone. The best on ball defender in the league but he ain't leading any team to a championship as a role player or starting 2 guard.
He's perfect trade bait.

Crawford is running hot- posting All Star caliber stats and he must go as well. Rondo will be back in the next 2-3 months and Crawfords playing time goes out the door with Rondo's return- his trade value goes out the door before this summer too.

Bass is helping us win too many games, and taking time away from our youngins. He should go to a contender for some young assets to add to the treasure chest.

But yeah, would not surprise me if all 3 are gone, but we might only be able to to move Bass. Teams will want a good 45-50 games with him for the playoffs start so he gets used to his new team mates, city and coach/schemes etc..
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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I think Lee and Bass will prob be traded.

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I think Lee and Bass will prob be traded.

than who is coming off the bench/insurance starters?

Decent bench players are going for 4-6 million a year. Imo bass and lee and two of the better off the bench guys in the league

I'd keep them unless someone overpays. No point of going through the headache to replace them and still having to pay just as much in a year or two

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I think Lee and Bass will prob be traded.

than who is coming off the bench/insurance starters?

Doesn't matter this year.

I think Ainge will cash in on them if possible.

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I feel like Bass is definitely gone because his contract is reasonable for two years, he'd really help a contender, and he's not really a critical piece for the Celtics going forward.

Bradley might be dealt if the right deal came along but if reports are true the Celts have already offered him a mid-level extension than it seems likely as a restricted free agent the team is confident it can keep him. No team is going to be offering him 8 million a year.

The fate of Crawford is uncertain because it depends on Rondo and Bradley. I think the Celts would be hard-pressed to commit financially to Rondo, Crawford, AND Bradley next season. The way Crawford is playing he will not come cheap.

I feel the complete opposite with Bass.  He's a solid performer that would help going forward & he's already signed.

The other 2 are a different story based on their current contract status.  With no extension looming for Bradley, he's a definite trade candidate.  Same with Crawford.  Crawford might be even more so just based on Rondo coming back and eating his minutes.

I know Ainge loves Bradley, as do I, but is he worth 8/9 M per going forward ?  Not sure of that yet.  Maybe he is.  Still young and developing really.

The fact that he's a solid performer is what makes him valuable in trades. He's more valuable to a contending team than a rebuilding one.

Bradley is still young and a restricted free agent. That means the Celts can match any offer he receives and it's unlikely any team is going to go beyond the reported 4/24 mil the Celts reportedly already offered. That's why I don't think they absolutely have to deal Bradley, unless you feel even 6 million a year is too much for him.

I didn't know crawford was unrestricted, that changes a lot. He's probably a good bet to be traded then.

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year? 

Tanking and getting a high pick is one way to rebuild.  Another is to draft or acquire talented players picked alter in the draft and develop them.  That's what the Cs are doing with AB and Crawford.  I don't see either one of them getting a big money offer from another.   More likely, the Cs will decide to pay at elast one of them  something int he $5m range for a few years, and hopefully get a lot of value out of the deal when the player develops further.  AB just turned 23 and Craw 25.  Still plenty of time to develop.

Bass is a luxury.  If Ainge can get something for him and not take back objectionable money, he should.  The Cs must develop either Sully or KO into at least a notch below all star level, so they both need to eat up minutes. 

Maybe Bass can be the bait to shed Wallace.  If Houston is serious about winning a title,maybe they can go Asik and Lin for Bass, Wallace and Crawford.  Both Asik and Lin have nightmarish deals next season, at $15m each, but Boston would be getting a 27 year old center who can lead the league in rebounding, and also protect the rim. Lin is a horrible fit, especially at $15m, but since they'd be paying Wallace and Bass $17m in '15 and $19m in '16, paying Lin big money one year for the chance to re-up Asik in the summer of '15 for around $11m/year instead of paying Bass and Wallace is a win. 

Asik, Fav
Sully, KO
Green
AB, Lee
Rondo, Lin

plus 2 draft picks in the loaded 2014 draft is a good rebuild. Hopefully, Ainge does an Ainge and snags a keeper like he did with Sully or hits a grand slam like he did with Rondo. 

That deal is great for Houston moneywise in 2015, but does lock up some caproom for the summer of 2015. Talentwise, it gives them a PF who can space the floor, has playoff experience at a high level, and also can move over and cover the Lebrons/Melo types in the playoffs if needed.  In Wallace, they're overpaying a scrappy glue guy, but Wallace is a battler and would help their defense greatly, especially when they're trying to slow Durant in the playoffs.  Crawford, if he plays like he has so far this season, is a good one-two punch with Beverely at PG.   Plus he can fill it up if needed.  Houston does a trade like this if they're truly in win now mode.   

Houston can just make the safe play and trade Asik for Thad Young,  but they don't shed the Lin 2015 $15m deal they now hate.     
 

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I think Lee and Bass will prob be traded.

than who is coming off the bench/insurance starters?

Doesn't matter this year.

I think Ainge will cash in on them if possible.

That's not long term thinking. You want to a team full of young players, lose games, no support etc.?

I don't want to become the jazz or bobcats for the longest time.

Keeping Lee and Bass is worth nothing if you really think about it.  Humphries and Wallace on the other hand are different stories.

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I could see someone paying AB 8 mill. guys who can defend on the perimeter are hard to come by.