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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2013, 02:57:22 PM »

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If Crawford could get us out of Wallace's contract by himself, I'd pack his bags for him.

I wouldn't.  We would be trading the backup point guard we've been looking for, well forever just to dump a bad contract, then what do we do for a backup point guard?  Go back to Bradley?  No thanks.  If it was up to me, Crawford stays.

Wallace has the worst contract in the NBA. If all you have to do is throw in a rotation guard to dump the $30mill owed, you do it.

Crawford is replaceable guys.

I think that is a giant overstatement. Its not great, but to say its the worst in the NBA is a stretch and a half.

Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2013, 02:59:33 PM »

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If Crawford could get us out of Wallace's contract by himself, I'd pack his bags for him.

I wouldn't.  We would be trading the backup point guard we've been looking for, well forever just to dump a bad contract, then what do we do for a backup point guard?  Go back to Bradley?  No thanks.  If it was up to me, Crawford stays.

Wallace has the worst contract in the NBA. If all you have to do is throw in a rotation guard to dump the $30mill owed, you do it.

Crawford is replaceable guys.

I think that is a giant overstatement. Its not great, but to say its the worst in the NBA is a stretch and a half.

Yeah, it's like people forget contracts like Amare Stoudemire's and Joe Johnson's still exist.   $10 million is bad, but far from the worst.

Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2013, 03:02:31 PM »

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If Crawford could get us out of Wallace's contract by himself, I'd pack his bags for him.

I wouldn't.  We would be trading the backup point guard we've been looking for, well forever just to dump a bad contract, then what do we do for a backup point guard?  Go back to Bradley?  No thanks.  If it was up to me, Crawford stays.

Wallace has the worst contract in the NBA. If all you have to do is throw in a rotation guard to dump the $30mill owed, you do it.

Crawford is replaceable guys.

I think that is a giant overstatement. Its not great, but to say its the worst in the NBA is a stretch and a half.

Yeah, it's like people forget contracts like Amare Stoudemire's and Joe Johnson's still exist.   $10 million is bad, but far from the worst.

Maybe I was overstating a bit but not much.

He's one of the 4 worst I guess. Amare, Johnson, Wallace, ?
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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2013, 03:05:41 PM »

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Wallace's has been recognized as among the worst contracts in the NBA.

For those who put stock in Bill Simmons' opinions, those three contracts are his votes for worst in the NBA as of March 2013 (pre-Nets trade, I might add).

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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2013, 03:19:37 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.

Maybe he is, but the last time Boston lost a legit backup PG (Cassell), it took Ainge 6 years to find a replacement (Crawford). I don't want to wait that long again.
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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2013, 03:24:13 PM »

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If trading Crawford meant getting rid of Wallace's contract, I'm all for it. 



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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2013, 03:27:15 PM »

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If Crawford could get us out of Wallace's contract by himself, I'd pack his bags for him.

I wouldn't.  We would be trading the backup point guard we've been looking for, well forever just to dump a bad contract, then what do we do for a backup point guard?  Go back to Bradley?  No thanks.  If it was up to me, Crawford stays.

Wallace has the worst contract in the NBA. If all you have to do is throw in a rotation guard to dump the $30mill owed, you do it.

Crawford is replaceable guys.

Yeah.  We'd basically be giving our backup PG away for $20.2 million.  Normally, teams have to give up multiple draft picks to clear that much room.


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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2013, 03:31:46 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.

Maybe he is, but the last time Boston lost a legit backup PG (Cassell), it took Ainge 6 years to find a replacement (Crawford). I don't want to wait that long again.

How much of that was the difficulty in replacing a backup PG, and how much of it was Doc?

Crawford struggled under Doc last year.  Under Stevens, I expect that guys like Nate Robinson would have been fine playing backup PG.


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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 03:38:09 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.
Perhaps, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, as they say. Sure, trade him for a Godfather offer that lets us get rid of Wallace, but what team would gift us such a thing?

Then again, we did get JC for a stiff and a guy that couldn't walk. And traded a hobbled seven-footer and a gunner for Jeff Green. And got Bass for BBD.

So we just have to find a fourth ballclub to take advantage of, I guess.

Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 03:38:13 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.

Maybe he is, but the last time Boston lost a legit backup PG (Cassell), it took Ainge 6 years to find a replacement (Crawford). I don't want to wait that long again.

Crawford isn't proven as a back-up PG (and sidenote but Cassell was pretty bad for us.  Eddie and Nate were both better options than Cassell).  My big worry with him is that he will react poorly to a reduced role.  That's what happened in Washington - reacting to lower minutes by forcing his usage higher when he was on the floor.

I want to cash in on Crawford ASAP.

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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2013, 03:45:15 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.

Maybe he is, but the last time Boston lost a legit backup PG (Cassell), it took Ainge 6 years to find a replacement (Crawford). I don't want to wait that long again.

I would just like to say Pressey is a more viable back up point guard imo. He is undersized, but makes up for it by hustling, and smart passing. Plus Pressey will be mentored by one of the greatest passing point guards in the league.

I like Crawford, and would love for him to stay. But he's going to ask for a nicer contract if he can at least remain efficient throughout the year. Not to mention, there is also the slight possibility that his touches and his playing time will decrease majorly. Let another team believe he can be a great or solid starting point guard.
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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2013, 05:15:03 PM »

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I would just like to say Pressey is a more viable back up point guard imo.
I don't know how you've drawn this conclusion, given that Pressey hasn't even shown he's a viable NBA player yet.
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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2013, 05:16:06 PM »

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I absolutely agree.  Crawford isn't a long-term asset, and if he brings any value (whether it be a #1 or as a way to clear salary room) you do it.

I don't think we'd be able to package him with Wallace for expirings.  Maybe for a underperforming guy with another year on his deal, though.  Lee is more plausible, in my opinion.

Roy,

I am curious.  You have seemed from day one to have not taken a liking to Crawford.  Why is that?  He has a 19.8 Efficiency Rating and is playing lights out basketball like he has never before.  I wasn't a huge JC fan at first, but he is winning me over.

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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2013, 05:20:44 PM »

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Crawford is replaceable guys.

Maybe he is, but the last time Boston lost a legit backup PG (Cassell), it took Ainge 6 years to find a replacement (Crawford). I don't want to wait that long again.

How much of that was the difficulty in replacing a backup PG, and how much of it was Doc?

Crawford struggled under Doc last year.  Under Stevens, I expect that guys like Nate Robinson would have been fine playing backup PG.

Now that is a brilliant point Roy!!  Maybe it was Doc all along!!  I think you are on to something there!!

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Re: Attaching Jordan Crawford
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2013, 05:24:30 PM »

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I absolutely agree.  Crawford isn't a long-term asset, and if he brings any value (whether it be a #1 or as a way to clear salary room) you do it.

I don't think we'd be able to package him with Wallace for expirings.  Maybe for a underperforming guy with another year on his deal, though.  Lee is more plausible, in my opinion.

Roy,

I am curious.  You have seemed from day one to have not taken a liking to Crawford.  Why is that?  He has a 19.8 Efficiency Rating and is playing lights out basketball like he has never before.  I wasn't a huge JC fan at first, but he is winning me over.

We've seen Crawford play well as a starter with the Wizards, then not handle it well when he was demoted to the bench after the return of John Wall.  The test is how Crawford acts when Rondo returns.  Can he accept a reserve combo guard role, or will he defiantly chuck up 30-foot shots?

There are always players like him who seem to hold it together for a season (or sometimes less) before wearing out their welcome.  Guys like Crawford are too mentally unstable to make a good GM comfortable with committing to them for a long period of time.
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