Rumored asking Price for Omer Asik

[Mr October]

@GeryWoelfel 6 Dec
Told Rockets want two 1st rounders or one first and good young player for Asik. Good luck with that.


If this report is factual i would love to acquire Asik. I'd give them Kelly O in a second along with a first rounder.


Thoughts on if he's worth this rumored amount?

Absolutely not.  Vitor per 30 minutes is better than this guy. I don't see the attention this guy is getting. He can't hit foul shots and he makes too much money.  He wouldn't make us better.

yeah... vitor is a fair comparison... except vitor doesn't make 15 mil a year

I like what Faverani has brought to the table this season, but there's no way he's in any form or shape a fair comparison for Asik.

How good will Faverani and Olynyk be in 2 or 3 years? The Celtics won't be contending for at least 2-3 years. Why bother spending 15 million next year, followed by a 10-12 million per year deal on Asik, when the Celtics can just develop the current bigs for a fraction of the cost?

[Boris Badenov]

heck even the Bass trade seems like a minor fleecing at this point.

I was stunned when I heard Ainge was able to swing that deal. Just floored.

It's not quite up there with the Big Three trades, but I think it's in his top 5. Definitely makes Ainge's Youtube GM highlight mix.

I agree, I thought it was a good deal at the time. At this point, I think Bass has done nothing but improve his rep - he's now credibly a defensive "stopper" type and should be a very attractive piece to many contending teams off the bench.

Meanwhile Baby appears to be focusing his energies more on striking fear into the hearts of computer keyboards everywhere.

[Rick Robeys Return]

I'd be fine with Asik if Boston also added a scorer, like say Anthony which has been discussed a lot recently.  I see no reason to add Asik by giving up any real value unless Boston also add a piece to make it real contender and not just moderately better.  So if Boston could swing something like the following, I'd be all for it.

Bass, Bradley, Clippers pick for Asik

and

Humphries, Green, 2014 pick (top five protected), 2016 pick (lesser of two) for Anthony

That would leave Boston

PG - Rondo, Crawford
SG - Lee, Crawford
SF - Anthony, Wallace
PF - Sullinger, Olynyk
C - Asik, Faverani

If Rondo comes back close to his old self that team would be a real threat to Indiana and Miami

I'd be happy with this.   I would like to hold onto Bradley in exchange for Lee, though, and would be willing to give up an additional pick to do so.

No, No, and HELL NO!! You'd be giving Bass, Bradley, Green (and Hump) PLUS three first round picks for a half-year rental of Anthony, plus Asik whose contract expires at end of 2014. Terrible short term thinking.

[BballTim]

I'd be fine with Asik if Boston also added a scorer, like say Anthony which has been discussed a lot recently.  I see no reason to add Asik by giving up any real value unless Boston also add a piece to make it real contender and not just moderately better.  So if Boston could swing something like the following, I'd be all for it.

Bass, Bradley, Clippers pick for Asik

and

Humphries, Green, 2014 pick (top five protected), 2016 pick (lesser of two) for Anthony

That would leave Boston

PG - Rondo, Crawford
SG - Lee, Crawford
SF - Anthony, Wallace
PF - Sullinger, Olynyk
C - Asik, Faverani

If Rondo comes back close to his old self that team would be a real threat to Indiana and Miami

I'd be happy with this.   I would like to hold onto Bradley in exchange for Lee, though, and would be willing to give up an additional pick to do so.

No, No, and HELL NO!! You'd be giving Bass, Bradley, Green (and Hump) PLUS three first round picks for a half-year rental of Anthony, plus Asik whose contract expires at end of 2014. Terrible short term thinking.

  So then you're opposed to the trades?

[Mr October]

Ainge didn't want to pay Perkins 9 million per year. I have a hard time believing Ainge is interested in paying Asik (who looks like a more mobile Kendrick Perkins) 15 million next year, and then playing with fire during his free agency in 2015. Asik will probably need to be paid over 10 million per year.

I would rather hold the picks, cap space etc and try to land a Monroe, Cousins, M Gasol type of center if things sour on their current teams.

[LooseCannon]

sure Asik is better than any center currently on our squad (i count Sully as PF long term), he might be the best center available, but i simply don't like the fit. he's very good in post defense, but i'd prefer quick, shot-blocking big to improve our rotations and help defense. someone like Larry Sanders, but i doubt Bucks would even consider parting ways with him. we might be best off simply trying to find that guy in the draft

Asik is considered to be one of the best centers when it comes to defensive rotations and pick-and-roll defense.  He's good enough at defense that it shouldn't be shocking if he picked up a DPOY award at some point in the next five seasons. (I'd bet against it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.)

[tstorey_97]

Does Ainge like Asik? Not so sure.

Issue with Asik deal would the rest of the roster. Asik needs an above average offensive group on the floor with him. Perkins had the big three. Who might Asik end up with?

He isn't really the "Auerbach type" defensive+offensive center and would need firepower around him. Despite boffo performances against awful teams, the current Celtics would need "two more" offensive players to go with a Rondo + Sully + Asik lineup before contending at the top? (The Jeff Green folks aren't going to like this comment).

Tempting, but my guess is Ainge will look elsewhere.

[stes]

well, i might have articulated myself poorly, though i believe i have not used one word against Asik, apart from the ones about me not liking the fit. still, i see more Perkins than Chandler in him and all i was trying to share is that i think that C's would have a better use of a later rather than a former (though i'd love to see Perk back in green, but not as a starting center).
i guess i should be prepared for some criticism, i got on a ring, so i got punched i consider myself a rookie when it comes to posting instead of just reading celticsblog forums, so maybe i'll improve over time.

[Moranis]

I'd be fine with Asik if Boston also added a scorer, like say Anthony which has been discussed a lot recently.  I see no reason to add Asik by giving up any real value unless Boston also add a piece to make it real contender and not just moderately better.  So if Boston could swing something like the following, I'd be all for it.

Bass, Bradley, Clippers pick for Asik

and

Humphries, Green, 2014 pick (top five protected), 2016 pick (lesser of two) for Anthony

That would leave Boston

PG - Rondo, Crawford
SG - Lee, Crawford
SF - Anthony, Wallace
PF - Sullinger, Olynyk
C - Asik, Faverani

If Rondo comes back close to his old self that team would be a real threat to Indiana and Miami

I'd be happy with this.   I would like to hold onto Bradley in exchange for Lee, though, and would be willing to give up an additional pick to do so.

No, No, and HELL NO!! You'd be giving Bass, Bradley, Green (and Hump) PLUS three first round picks for a half-year rental of Anthony, plus Asik whose contract expires at end of 2014. Terrible short term thinking.

Obviously this would be contingent on Anthony opting in for the 14-15 season, much like when Chris Paul was traded to LA he had to opt in.  That would give Boston 1.5 years of Anthony, Asik, and Rondo to see if it could work with all three expiring at the end of 15 and in which Boston would have all kinds of cap space to work with.

[KGs Knee]

I'd be fine with Asik if Boston also added a scorer, like say Anthony which has been discussed a lot recently.  I see no reason to add Asik by giving up any real value unless Boston also add a piece to make it real contender and not just moderately better.  So if Boston could swing something like the following, I'd be all for it.

Bass, Bradley, Clippers pick for Asik

and

Humphries, Green, 2014 pick (top five protected), 2016 pick (lesser of two) for Anthony

That would leave Boston

PG - Rondo, Crawford
SG - Lee, Crawford
SF - Anthony, Wallace
PF - Sullinger, Olynyk
C - Asik, Faverani

If Rondo comes back close to his old self that team would be a real threat to Indiana and Miami

I'd be happy with this.   I would like to hold onto Bradley in exchange for Lee, though, and would be willing to give up an additional pick to do so.

No, No, and HELL NO!! You'd be giving Bass, Bradley, Green (and Hump) PLUS three first round picks for a half-year rental of Anthony, plus Asik whose contract expires at end of 2014. Terrible short term thinking.

Obviously this would be contingent on Anthony opting in for the 14-15 season, much like when Chris Paul was traded to LA he had to opt in.  That would give Boston 1.5 years of Anthony, Asik, and Rondo to see if it could work with all three expiring at the end of 15 and in which Boston would have all kinds of cap space to work with.

I'd say giving up 3 1st round picks over a coupe year period to acquire Melo and Asik is about right, as far as value goes.  I don't think I'd willing to trade Bradley and keep Lee, not for Asik, and would rather trade away what would hopefully be a late 1st round future pick (probably our own) than trade Bradley.

Bradley's defense would be critical on a Rondo-Melo led team.  Asik and Bradley would be hugely important for us.  I'd love to find a way to keep Green, so Melo could start at PF, where he is most effective now-a-days.  I wouldn't give up Sully to keep Green though.

As far as requiring Melo to sign an extension, it won't happen.  That is the reason Ainge likely would never do a deal in-season.  I can't see Ainge taking that gamble, even though he is a bit of a gambler.

I think I might be willing to take the risk though.  Melo has made no bones about his efforts to recruit Rondo.  If we were to trade for Melo, I'm feel confident he'd stay.  Melo has seen first hand what Rondo does in the playoffs.  Players like Kobe and Melo have repeatedly stated their love of his game.

[kozlodoev]

Issue with Asik deal would the rest of the roster. Asik needs an above average offensive group on the floor with him.

Crawford+Green+Sullinger with the ball in Rondo's hands and Bass and Lee coming off the bench is not enough offense for you?

[guava_wrench]

Issue with Asik deal would the rest of the roster. Asik needs an above average offensive group on the floor with him.

Crawford+Green+Sullinger with the ball in Rondo's hands and Bass and Lee coming off the bench is not enough offense for you?

Will Crawford be any good with the ball in Rondo's hands? Crawford plays his best with the ball.

[kozlodoev]

Issue with Asik deal would the rest of the roster. Asik needs an above average offensive group on the floor with him.

Crawford+Green+Sullinger with the ball in Rondo's hands and Bass and Lee coming off the bench is not enough offense for you?

Will Crawford be any good with the ball in Rondo's hands? Crawford plays his best with the ball.

As long as he can still make shots, he'll be fine. Also, he probably _will_ have the ball half of the time (in the post-Rondo-ACL world I don't think it's prudent to play him 36 or 38 minutes, so that probably means ~15 minutes open at PG).

[guava_wrench]

Issue with Asik deal would the rest of the roster. Asik needs an above average offensive group on the floor with him.

Crawford+Green+Sullinger with the ball in Rondo's hands and Bass and Lee coming off the bench is not enough offense for you?

Will Crawford be any good with the ball in Rondo's hands? Crawford plays his best with the ball.

As long as he can still make shots, he'll be fine. Also, he probably _will_ have the ball half of the time (in the post-Rondo-ACL world I don't think it's prudent to play him 36 or 38 minutes, so that probably means ~15 minutes open at PG).

Will he get to take the shots that work for him? He isn't a catch and shoot guy.

The minutes with out Rondo should be good.

[kozlodoev]

How good will Faverani and Olynyk be in 2 or 3 years? The Celtics won't be contending for at least 2-3 years. Why bother spending 15 million next year, followed by a 10-12 million per year deal on Asik, when the Celtics can just develop the current bigs for a fraction of the cost?

I think that it's far from a given that any of them will ever be as good as Asik is right now.

Using the same logic, we can get rid of Rondo's $10 million  contract right away, because we can just develop Jordan Crawford instead.