Really? (pro-tanking/rebuild argument)

[Jailan34]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

Just because a fan has a different opinion on how to best rebuild a team in the NBA doesn't make them a bandwagon fan. It just makes them someone with a different opinion.

[guava_wrench]

1. Parker could stay at Duke another year.

2. Other teams out there are WAY worse then the Celtics. I'm not sure we could ever be as bad as them. So even if they try we won't get a top pick.

It sure would be disappointing if a bunch of guys stayed for another year.

[pokeKingCurtis]

So I guess let's celebrate their 8-12 record on top of the Atlantic and a 4th seed just to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs, sounds exciting.

lol

Blame Ainge, not the people who don't wanna tank.

Can't get angry because people don't think the same way you do.

[clover]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

Just because a fan has a different opinion on how to best rebuild a team in the NBA doesn't make them a bandwagon fan. It just makes them someone with a different opinion.

I'm a long-time fan and I was on board with tanking.

If this team plays better than and grows beyond that, I'm okay with that too. (Just as long as it doesn't come about from playing 'today' players like Bass and Hump ahead of 'tomorrow' players like KO and VF.)

[Bosstown]

Folks.....Miami's rings have zero to do with tanking.  They were the 5th best tankers the year they got Wade. In 2008 they picked 2nd and got M Beasley.  Their titles are based off a trade for Shaq and free agency.  And not tanking at all.

So

1. Luck / Timing -- they got a superstar in Wade despite picking 5th in the draft.  Either they got lucky or they picked the right year to tank.

2. Pat Riley -- did an amazing job convincing Shaq and then LeBron to come to Miami.

3. Great location -- played a significant role in where the aforementioned players chose to take their talents.

Location, Location, Location...

Guys Boston will NEVER be as attractive as NY, LA, Miami or even Chicago. Those cities are either warmer or are just better cultural hubs with a lot more interesting things to do. Boston is a small city, it's extremely cold, and the city essentially hides it's diversity and has a history of not being favorable to people of color.

So yea, if I'm a NBA player I'd rather go to a warmer climate or a place that had more culture to it. Boston just isn't that place.

Building through the draft and actually getting guys to buy into the culture here is our best bet. Free Agents do not come to Boston ever, unless they're named Brian Scalabrine.

[GreenWarrior]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

[PhoSita]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

I don't much like this sort of labeling.  Sounds too close to "real Celtics fans don't want the team to tank."


From my perspective, it's more like

Sentimental fans = anti-tank

Rational / win-at-all-costs fans = pro-tank

[moiso]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

I don't much like this sort of labeling.  Sounds too close to "real Celtics fans don't want the team to tank."


From my perspective, it's more like

Sentimental fans = anti-tank

Rational / win-at-all-costs fans = pro-tank

TP.  I'm a long time fan and I prefer to have some short term suffering in order to have some long term gain.  I'm going to be pretty unhappy if six other teams get the top 6 prizes in the draft.

[BballTim]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

I don't much like this sort of labeling.  Sounds too close to "real Celtics fans don't want the team to tank."


From my perspective, it's more like

Sentimental fans = anti-tank

Rational / win-at-all-costs fans = pro-tank

  So you're not opposed to labeling per se, you just prefer your labeling to someone theirs. It's been my experience here that groups of fans who label themselves as rational or objective or the like are no more or less so than everyone else. You don't want the team to win more than others do, you just have a different idea of how to accomplish that.

[GreenWarrior]

I personally just don't like the idea of losing. because like I said previously - it's easy to lose. we could lose with out even trying. and in reality we are losing right now.

[pokeKingCurtis]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

I don't much like this sort of labeling.  Sounds too close to "real Celtics fans don't want the team to tank."


From my perspective, it's more like

Sentimental fans = anti-tank

Rational / win-at-all-costs fans = pro-tank

  So you're not opposed to labeling per se, you just prefer your labeling to someone theirs. It's been my experience here that groups of fans who label themselves as rational or objective or the like are no more or less so than everyone else. You don't want the team to win more than others do, you just have a different idea of how to accomplish that.

I love the new BballTim. Calling people out on their BS.

[PhoSita]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

this was kind of my impression.

I don't much like this sort of labeling.  Sounds too close to "real Celtics fans don't want the team to tank."


From my perspective, it's more like

Sentimental fans = anti-tank

Rational / win-at-all-costs fans = pro-tank

  So you're not opposed to labeling per se, you just prefer your labeling to someone theirs.

Of course I do.  Everybody does.

Thanks for proving the point I was trying to make -- labeling doesn't really accomplish anything but incense people who don't agree with you.


I was pointing out that we all have different perspectives, and it's really easy to label people who agree with you in a positive way and those who don't agree in a negative way.  It's a form of discrediting the other person's opinions by attacking their character.


We're all real fans here.  We just have different priorities, different values for what fandom means to us, and different beliefs about the best, most effective methods for achieving success for our favorite team.