Really? (pro-tanking/rebuild argument)

[Finkelskyhook]

I'm so annoyed by Celtic fans who don't wanna tank... Talking about getting a big name free agent and we're set... I feel like we're as delusional as Lakers fans but worse because NO FREE AGENTS IN OR ABOUT TO BE IN THEIR PRIME ARE GOING TO THE CELTICS! You keep saying that draft history shows its not kind to the celtics? Well I'm pretty sure free agency history is even worse. Minus the gift from McHale who gave us KG and the #5 pick that landed us Ray.Only out of their prime players come here, last time we won a championship then 5years of injury plagued seasons, I loved the ride but we need a young championship caliber team, and it starts with a young superstar, which we don't have! And we aren't getting a free agent superstar and we aren't trading for one unless they're very unhappy and demand it but then we have to get our roster to even get them, not happening, the smarter and more realistic route is through the draft, sorry we are Far away from another title, we're not just a few pieces, we are so FAR away so for the best future we should tank when it's the perfect time. Fate gave us a golden opportunity to tank and build with rondo and get him with a young superstar but we're blowing it so Ainge needs to make some trades ASAP, and about building a winning culture, since when did becoming the bucks and hawks making the playoffs every year then getting decimated in the first round qualify as a winning culture? No thank you I'll take winning titles as a true winning culture. We're the Celtics, we celebrate titles not winning the division and making the playoffs.  On a side note, please don't say I'm not a true fan, I been a fan for 30 years and do not want to go through another 22 year drought.  There's 3 or 4 possible superstars in this draft, proven or not, there's a possibility they can help change the franchise around. we traded PP and KG for a chance to land a good pick in the draft.

No fan on here wouldn't take a team of Rondo, Wiggins or Parker, Green, Sullinger and whoever we have at center next season?

So I guess let's celebrate their 8-12 record on top of the Atlantic and a 4th seed just to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs, sounds exciting.  Let's see how many real Celtic fans I ticked off.

YO djbilly....A suggestion:

http://www.bobcatsbaseline.com/

They've turned tanking into an art form.   Look where it's gotten them....Go join them.

Most of us in here hate the culture of losing.

[GreenWarrior]

it's easy to have a bad season, but it's real difficult to have a good season.

there is no reason to tank. i'd seriously love to know how long the "pro-tank" group have been fans of this team?

[obnoxiousmime]

As far as our draft history goes... pretty much every Celtic legend was drafted into this organization with a Top 10 pick.  Pretty much every championship we've had was built on first bottoming out for an elite prospect or two.

Yes, people seem to forget that Garnett was an overall no 1 pick and Ray Allen was 5th overall (and took a 5th pick to acquire in a trade, a pick the Celtics earned by being bad). It's true that the linchpin of the Garnett deal was Jefferson, taken with the 15th pick. However, the age limit now forces high schoolers to spend a year in college which makes scouting them a lot easier.

Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that McHale did his old team a favor. He did not aggressively search for the best possible deal and he definitely purposefully avoided dealing him to the Lakers (though Gasol would later work out just fine for them).

[PhoSita]

I agree with you and understand the need to rant. However, I wish you had brought something new to the conversation if starting a new thread. Also, everybody (I've seen other people do it too) should try to avoid vague subject titles (thanks moderator).

Maybe just to get some extra views i'll start using some misleading, spammy titles:

You'll never believe what Glen Davis looked like in high school

90 percent of NBA fans don't know this free throw secret

Celtics Dancers pose with Red Auerbach portrait for sexy calendar. CLICK HERE FOR PICS

Oh God, please don't turn CB into Buzzfeed.  It's taking over every other part of the Internet.  Not here.

[PhoSita]

As far as our draft history goes... pretty much every Celtic legend was drafted into this organization with a Top 10 pick.  Pretty much every championship we've had was built on first bottoming out for an elite prospect or two.

Yes, people seem to forget that Garnett was an overall no 1 pick and Ray Allen was 5th overall (and took a 5th pick to acquire in a trade, a pick the Celtics earned by being bad). It's true that the linchpin of the Garnett deal was Jefferson, taken with the 15th pick. However, the age limit now forces high schoolers to spend a year in college which makes scouting them a lot easier.

Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that McHale did his old team a favor. He did not aggressively search for the best possible deal and he definitely purposefully avoided dealing him to the Lakers (though Gasol would later work out just fine for them).

Garnett was taken 5th in the draft, actually.  I believe Joe Smith was #1 that year.

[Jailan34]

it's easy to have a bad season, but it's real difficult to have a good season.

there is no reason to tank. i'd seriously love to know how long the "pro-tank" group have been fans of this team?

Probably about 10 years.

I can't remember the exact year but I was young, and I couldn't get into the Patriots or Sox at the time, I was over my cousins house and Pierce was just lighting it up. First Celtic's game I ever really sat down and watched and got hooked.

I don't think a persons opinion on the best way to rebuild a team has anything, literally anything to do with their fandom or commitment to a team.

[Eja117]

You know what team is just horrid at tanking? The Miami Heat. They just do not get the concept at all. And look what it's done for them.

[D.o.s.]

You know what team is just horrid at tanking? The Miami Heat. They just do not get the concept at all. And look what it's done for them.

They tanked for Dwayne Wade (and to clear space for LeBron + Bosh), and got three championships out of it.

[Jailan34]

You know what team is just horrid at tanking? The Miami Heat. They just do not get the concept at all. And look what it's done for them.

They tanked for Dwayne Wade (and to clear space for LeBron + Bosh), and got three championships out of it.

Miami is also an attractive spot for free agents, so couple their tank strategy with their location and that's sadly a recipe for success in this league.

[Celtics4ever]

They tanked for Dwayne Wade (and to clear space for LeBron + Bosh), and got three championships out of it.

Stern helped too with the league mandated FTAs and home town refereeing almost every game.

[oldtype]

I give up. Stevens is a genius and the guys try to hard.

We're not going to get a top 3 pick barring an earth-shaking trade or a lottery miracle. Might as well enjoy the season.

[Eja117]

Folks.....Miami's rings have zero to do with tanking.  They were the 5th best tankers the year they got Wade. In 2008 they picked 2nd and got M Beasley.  Their titles are based off a trade for Shaq and free agency.  And not tanking at all.

[PhoSita]

Folks.....Miami's rings have zero to do with tanking.  They were the 5th best tankers the year they got Wade. In 2008 they picked 2nd and got M Beasley.  Their titles are based off a trade for Shaq and free agency.  And not tanking at all.

So

1. Luck / Timing -- they got a superstar in Wade despite picking 5th in the draft.  Either they got lucky or they picked the right year to tank.

2. Pat Riley -- did an amazing job convincing Shaq and then LeBron to come to Miami.

3. Great location -- played a significant role in where the aforementioned players chose to take their talents.

[BASS_THUMPER]

fans before kg and ray
im sure dont wanna see
this team tank

we went thru years of disappointments
im kinda use to it
also curious of how many
saw the game when the Celtics
beat the Lakers when
Shaq called Pierce

"The Truth"

too much heart here
to give up

long time fans
no tank

brand new fans
tank

not much but my opinion

[angryguy77]

1. Parker could stay at Duke another year.

2. Other teams out there are WAY worse then the Celtics. I'm not sure we could ever be as bad as them. So even if they try we won't get a top pick.

all it takes is one ball.