Trade Idea Detroit

[mmmmm]

 Waste of time?? Remember we have Rondo coming back and two first's this year.

 Monroe
 Sullinger
 Jabari Parker, James Young more likely.
 Bradley
 Rondo

 If we somehow got Parker that team would be awesome.

I think that it depends on what Danny wants to do this season.   Going for the trade you propose would make the team worse in the short term (because starting Wallace would be a huge drop-off from Green in our scoring) - but probably not enough to get us deep into the lottery.

Danny would have to do something else to make sure that we actually ended up with enough lottery balls to be certain of at least one of the top-end SFs in that draft.

I think if the plan ends up with James Young as the starting SF in place of Green, I'd rather look for an alternative plan.

Monroe would be an upgrade over our current "starting C" position, but I see a player like Young as a downgrade at SF.  I like the kid, but I just don't think he projects to be at the elite level I think we need to make this transaction pay off.

Now, if the plan ended up with a Wiggins, Parker, Arron Gordon or Vonleh, then I like it a lot more.   But that would require something to change to make sure we slip deeper into the lottery.   And I personally will not root for injury to happen, real or fake.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

 What's the chance's we could land Monroe, are you interested in him.

I am.

As I was listening to the BS Report yesterday, Simmons said that "there are pieces" there.

While defensively flawed, he's a very skilled big man.

My only concern is we might have to overpay him. He while he is steady statistically, has regressed in scoring. Not sure if that's because he gets less touches but nonetheless, his points per game are down. And I probably would not want to pay a guy a max contract averaging 7 rebounds and 16 points. Although I believe he'll get more touches, hence more points with us, as he'll be at worst the number 2 option on offense.

With that in mind, Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and Brooklyn's first rounder for Greg Monroe and Charlie Villanueva is my idea. I don't think Detorit will be swayed for a future first, they'll probably ask for next year's. And I believe that next year's pick is pretty much compensation for Villanueva's expiring deal.

I did this in NBA 2k14. It did not work and they want Avery Bradley along the deal and in return they will include Rodney Stuckey. Not bad.

Hmmnnnnn. Interesting.

[manl_lui]

I'd trade the entire team (not including Rondo) for Andre Drummond...dude's on a rebound party lately.

[slamtheking]

This is pending Detroit doesn't have the money to keep him. Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and a future first For Charlie V, Kyle Singler, And Greg Monroe. I might talk to you about Bradley as well with out the pick going.

 For Detroit they get a chance to win now in the pathetic East and become the third best team in the conference. They can move Josh Smith to the four spot where he belongs, And lock up there most important young piece in Drummond. 

 Drummond
 Josh Smith - Brandon Bass
 Jeff Green
 Stuckey - Caldwell Pope
 Brandon Jennings - Bynum

 For the Celtics we suddenly have three really good young bigs, In Kelly O, Sully and Monroe I think Monroe could play Center well in the weak East and we know Sully can if he can't hang. We should be able to get a small forward or wing in the Draft.

while I've always really like Monroe, I see him as a natural PF and we already have Sully and KO for that slot.  Sully's looking really good lately too so I'm not as anxious to get Monroe.   Drummond would be a different story only because I see him as a true center.

[pokeKingCurtis]

This is pending Detroit doesn't have the money to keep him. Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and a future first For Charlie V, Kyle Singler, And Greg Monroe. I might talk to you about Bradley as well with out the pick going.

 For Detroit they get a chance to win now in the pathetic East and become the third best team in the conference. They can move Josh Smith to the four spot where he belongs, And lock up there most important young piece in Drummond. 

 Drummond
 Josh Smith - Brandon Bass
 Jeff Green
 Stuckey - Caldwell Pope
 Brandon Jennings - Bynum

 For the Celtics we suddenly have three really good young bigs, In Kelly O, Sully and Monroe I think Monroe could play Center well in the weak East and we know Sully can if he can't hang. We should be able to get a small forward or wing in the Draft.

while I've always really like Monroe, I see him as a natural PF and we already have Sully and KO for that slot.  Sully's looking really good lately too so I'm not as anxious to get Monroe.   Drummond would be a different story only because I see him as a true center.

Yeah. What we need is a true defensive center.

Monroe has size but I heard he doesn't protect the rim.

[gpap]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Absolutely it is. It's not rocket science. You put another quality big on this team, suddenly the Celtics are probably the 4th or 5th best team in East.

I think I've said this before. You don't really need a doctorate in chemistry to put a good basketball team together.

It's all about size, defense and efficient shooting. That's it.

This myth about "small ball" that's spread throughout the league lately is hogwash.

[gpap]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Probably not.

Agreed ,  waste of time......

And why is that?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'd trade the entire team (not including Rondo) for Andre Drummond...dude's on a rebound party lately.

Sign me up on this.

Heck, whatever the Nets gave us, I'll gladly give to Detroit for Andre Drummond.

This kid is the real deal.

[Kane3387]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Absolutely it is. It's not rocket science. You put another quality big on this team, suddenly the Celtics are probably the 4th or 5th best team in East.

I think I've said this before. You don't really need a doctorate in chemistry to put a good basketball team together.

It's all about size, defense and efficient shooting. That's it.

This myth about "small ball" that's spread throughout the league lately is hogwash.

One of your players better be a top five to ten player

[mmmmm]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Probably not.

Agreed ,  waste of time......

And why is that?

I think the obvious concern would be the huge drop off you'd get at the SF position.

That probably outweighs any gain you get at the C.

[D.o.s.]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Absolutely it is. It's not rocket science. You put another quality big on this team, suddenly the Celtics are probably the 4th or 5th best team in East.

I think I've said this before. You don't really need a doctorate in chemistry to put a good basketball team together.

It's all about size, defense and efficient shooting. That's it.

This myth about "small ball" that's spread throughout the league lately is hogwash.

What myth?

[guava_wrench]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Absolutely it is. It's not rocket science. You put another quality big on this team, suddenly the Celtics are probably the 4th or 5th best team in East.

I think I've said this before. You don't really need a doctorate in chemistry to put a good basketball team together.

It's all about size, defense and efficient shooting. That's it.

This myth about "small ball" that's spread throughout the league lately is hogwash.

What myth?

The myth that Miami can win it all without a real center. Oh, wait...

The truth is teams play "small ball" because they don't have a decent big and playing small ball is often better than playing a bad big.

[PhoSita]

Anyone think this team would actually be better than what we have now.

 Monroe
 Sully
 Wallace
 Bradley
 Crawford

Probably not.

Agreed ,  waste of time......

And why is that?

I think the obvious concern would be the huge drop off you'd get at the SF position.

That probably outweighs any gain you get at the C.

Upgrading the wing wouldn't be super hard.  A Gallinari / Deng type scorer could give you the proper balance.

But Crawford is a sixth man, so you'd need a legitimate starting point guard.

I'd rather have an Afflalo type than Bradley at SG -- I like my wings to have more prototypical size.

If we could somehow get Monroe without giving up Rondo or Sullinger, that's a group you could build a fairly competitive -- though not super elite -- team around.



This is the sort of non-tanking plan that makes some sense.  Exchange the thrill of going for a high lottery pick for the comparable security of acquiring a young player with good size on track to become a second tier star who you can probably extend for reasonable money.

The possible highs -- building a perennial contender around a superstar -- are lowered, but the floor is higher, and you can get back to being competitive much sooner. 


All of that said, it doesn't make sense going that route if you have to give up Rondo to do it.

[Vermont Green]

I thought I would resurrect this thread based on the new rumors that we are "in the mix" for Monroe.

I don't know how good a trade target Monroe is.  He is playing PF but I think he could be a center.  Not sure how he views himself but it seems like he wants to be a PF.  The Celtics need a center, not another PF.

Another problem is he becomes a restricted FA after this season.  Probably not a deal here I don't think.

I would prefer something like Rondo for Drummond + Jennings but Detroit probably doesn't do that, even if a good 1st round pick is involved.  The only way that Drummond would be in the conversation would be if Rondo was also and if Detroit got Rondo, they wouldn't need Jennings.  Not sure there is a deal here either.

If we got Monroe, you could chalk that up to "accumulating assets" even though he doesn't seem to fill a need right now but with him being a RFA, we don't have all that much control over him as an asset.

[Endless Paradise]

I like this one.