Some thoughts about the chances of the Celtics making a mid-season trade

[Jailan34]

The current situation could not have been predicted. I would assume Danny will keep all options open and take what he believes is the best one available.

As for Humphries I would not rule out a deal for someone like Bynum. We could offer him and Bogans, take another bad contract from them and get a pick out of it. Not saying we would get their first rounder this year, but add this, take that and you never know what will work.

Basically I'm saying we could take on other teams bad contracts and get picks, at the same time making us worse this year for a better chance at a good pick.

But, some people did predict the current situation.  Just because it wasn't predicted by you doesn't mean it couldn't have been predicted.

Let's keep our fingers crossed. I would be one of the happiest people on earth if the Celts make the playoffs because no one thought they could do it....except for you and a few other posters here on CB.

What happens next though? After we lose in the first round we're stuck with a bad pick and a average team and no serious talent to push us into title contention.

Never mind what's already on our roster.  I simply don't feel like arguing about our players' worth right now, but ten first round picks over the next five years.  Ten!!  I don't even know how to look this up, but that must be approaching some kind of record for most first round draft picks over a five year span.

Maybe none of them end up being in the lottery (although, I think the chances are fairly good that a couple of those Brooklyn picks down the line might be--heck, maybe even this year's), but I fully expect Danny to make something out of that bonanza, whether he trades up, trades out, trades over, finds gems, packages picks with assets, expirings, whatever.  I don't know what he's going to do with them.  But, I trust that he'll make them pay off.  He's too smart a GM not to.

Same here man, I'm wicked excited to see if Ainge can trade up for a high pick, but I feel like he'd have to offer AB or someone else to trade up, do you think we can trade into the top 3 of this draft, for maybe 3 of our mid round picks and AB? Would you do that trade?

Cause I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[BballTim]

Nothing needs to happen other than that this team needs to go out and try to win some basketball games and develop into better basketball players.  That's what's been happening.  And, for me it's been fun to watch. 

Personally, I would much prefer it if nothing other than that happened for the time being.

Even the best of our young players have ceilings that will prevent this team from going from "fun mediocre squad" to "legit threat".   

If we continue on this path to mediocrity... we might want to cash in our assets sooner rather than later.

  Why are we on a path to mediocrity? I just don't get the mentality that draft picks are the only way to add to the team.

[LooseCannon]

Same here man, I'm wicked excited to see if Ainge can trade up for a high pick, but I feel like he'd have to offer AB or someone else to trade up, do you think we can trade into the top 3 of this draft, for maybe 3 of our mid round picks and AB? Would you do that trade?

Cause I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Let's put it this way.  If the Celtics had a top 3 pick in this draft, what would you want in return to give that pick up?

[gpap]

I am amazed that anyone would consider or even voice trading for Carmello Anthony.  He is a cancer, period.  He is a HORRIFIC defender!!!  He is a gun.  And he is NOT a winner.  I want winners and team players in Boston, not egomaniacs!!

Just my thoughts.  (Obviously, I am NOT a Carmello fan:-)))

Smitty77

Me personally, I would trade for Melo. I think he's too talented to not win an NBA title. Just my opinion.

[celtic -_- pride]

i could see melo coming to boston to play with rondo if the knicks dont make the playoffs this year or have a 1st round exit. i wouldnt mind but were gonna need a great defensive center to back up rondo's gambles and melos lack of any defensive skill

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I always assumed we'd make a trade to make us worse short-term.

I always assumed that any trade that makes the Celtics worse short-term would be intended to make the team better in the long term, independently of where the Celtics end up drafting in 2014.  That is, I never expected Ainge to just give away value in order to tank.

Of course not.  This team isn't very good right now.  They stand zero chance of winning a championship.  But you don't just give away assets.  The idea was that you'd give up vets like Rondo, Bass, etc for future assets.   We didn't trade Pierce and KG simply to tank this season... we got back future assets.  You get worse in the short-term and better long-term.

But this year, thanks to a dreadful Eastern Conference where half the teams have losing streaks and only 3 teams are above .500...  The prospect of bottoming out this year seems exceptionally difficult.   We might be better off just giving up our future assets and going for broke.

Going for Broke would mean like... trading JEff Green, Bass, Lee, Wallace, Humphries, our 2014 pick, Atlanta's 2014 pick and probably a couple other 1st rounders for Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire's corpse. 

Then maybe you trade Olynyk, The Paul Pierce trade exception and a couple more 1st rounders for Omar Asik.

And try your chances with with a team of

PG - Rondo
SG - Bradley
SF - Melo
PF - Sully
C - Asik
---
PG/SG Crawford
C - Fav
DNP - Amare's corpse


IT'S CRAZY!!! ...   You could float Amare's 20 million expiring contract at the deadline next season.   All the big contracts (Rondo, Melo, Amare, Asik) expire after the 2014-15 season.   They'd all be free agents.  You could pick who you want try and re-sign ... or you could lose them all and start over... or you could use your cap space to try and sign someone else like Kevin Love (currently projected to be a free agent summer 2015). 

Actually, since we're living in crazy town anyways... let's say we do the Melo/Amare and Asik trades.  Let's say in the middle of the 2014-15 season the Timberwolves are floundering.  Let's say Martin, Budinger or Brewer has fallen off the cliff thanks to injuries and is now seen as a bad contract.  Let's say that Kevin Love has made it known he will sign elsewhere during the summer.   We offer Amare's expiring + Sullinger + the rest of our 1st rounders for Kevin Love and a bad contract of their chosing.   In a little over a year we'd have a big 3 of Rondo, Melo and Love.  Asik and Bradley round out the rest of our starting lineup.  Lol.  /pipedream

My point is... if Boston keeps playing themselves out of the 7 player lotto superstar race, they might decide to just trade themselves out of it entirely and go for another small window.

meh. drafts like these do not come along often. Danny just might have a come to jesus meeting with Stevens and force him to tank if need be to guarantee a top 5 pick. I think it would be tough to do it all through trades and free agency without one star draft pick.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The current situation could not have been predicted. I would assume Danny will keep all options open and take what he believes is the best one available.

As for Humphries I would not rule out a deal for someone like Bynum. We could offer him and Bogans, take another bad contract from them and get a pick out of it. Not saying we would get their first rounder this year, but add this, take that and you never know what will work.

Basically I'm saying we could take on other teams bad contracts and get picks, at the same time making us worse this year for a better chance at a good pick.

But, some people did predict the current situation.  Just because it wasn't predicted by you doesn't mean it couldn't have been predicted.

Let's keep our fingers crossed. I would be one of the happiest people on earth if the Celts make the playoffs because no one thought they could do it....except for you and a few other posters here on CB.

What happens next though? After we lose in the first round we're stuck with a bad pick and a average team and no serious talent to push us into title contention.

Never mind what's already on our roster.  I simply don't feel like arguing about our players' worth right now, but ten first round picks over the next five years.  Ten!!  I don't even know how to look this up, but that must be approaching some kind of record for most first round draft picks over a five year span.

Maybe none of them end up being in the lottery (although, I think the chances are fairly good that a couple of those Brooklyn picks down the line might be--heck, maybe even this year's), but I fully expect Danny to make something out of that bonanza, whether he trades up, trades out, trades over, finds gems, packages picks with assets, expirings, whatever.  I don't know what he's going to do with them.  But, I trust that he'll make them pay off.  He's too smart a GM not to.

Same here man, I'm wicked excited to see if Ainge can trade up for a high pick, but I feel like he'd have to offer AB or someone else to trade up, do you think we can trade into the top 3 of this draft, for maybe 3 of our mid round picks and AB? Would you do that trade?

Cause I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Now, I would be fine with that if need be. Trade up to get a top 3 or 5 pick.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Nothing needs to happen other than that this team needs to go out and try to win some basketball games and develop into better basketball players.  That's what's been happening.  And, for me it's been fun to watch. 

Personally, I would much prefer it if nothing other than that happened for the time being.

Even the best of our young players have ceilings that will prevent this team from going from "fun mediocre squad" to "legit threat".   

If we continue on this path to mediocrity... we might want to cash in our assets sooner rather than later.

  Why are we on a path to mediocrity? I just don't get the mentality that draft picks are the only way to add to the team.

oh they are not. I agree. But can we do it again using only trades? like we did with RA and KG? I'd prefer a little from the draft and a little from trades/free agency. Most feel this way because this draft is LOADED. LOADED.

[BballTim]

Nothing needs to happen other than that this team needs to go out and try to win some basketball games and develop into better basketball players.  That's what's been happening.  And, for me it's been fun to watch. 

Personally, I would much prefer it if nothing other than that happened for the time being.

Even the best of our young players have ceilings that will prevent this team from going from "fun mediocre squad" to "legit threat".   

If we continue on this path to mediocrity... we might want to cash in our assets sooner rather than later.

  Why are we on a path to mediocrity? I just don't get the mentality that draft picks are the only way to add to the team.

oh they are not. I agree. But can we do it again using only trades? like we did with RA and KG? I'd prefer a little from the draft and a little from trades/free agency. Most feel this way because this draft is LOADED. LOADED.

  It seems to be very over-hyped as well.

[winsomme]

Nothing needs to happen other than that this team needs to go out and try to win some basketball games and develop into better basketball players.  That's what's been happening.  And, for me it's been fun to watch. 

Personally, I would much prefer it if nothing other than that happened for the time being.

Even the best of our young players have ceilings that will prevent this team from going from "fun mediocre squad" to "legit threat".   

If we continue on this path to mediocrity... we might want to cash in our assets sooner rather than later.

  Why are we on a path to mediocrity? I just don't get the mentality that draft picks are the only way to add to the team.

oh they are not. I agree. But can we do it again using only trades? like we did with RA and KG? I'd prefer a little from the draft and a little from trades/free agency. Most feel this way because this draft is LOADED. LOADED.

  It seems to be very over-hyped as well.

Based on what exactly? The top high schoolers have been extremely tantalizing at the college level and a player like Smart has been looking good as well.

So far I think the talent has actually lived up to the hype which is why you have teams like CLE and SAC who were thought to be thinking playoff coming into the season now thinking about not working too hard to correct their early season struggles.

I think the general consensus at this point is still that this draft is "LOADED"

As for the Cs, while I am enjoying watching this team's successes, I think their current course based on assets is not yet "contender," and a top 5 pick would be a huge step in that direction.

Add a top 5 pick from this upcoming draft to our current set of assets and I think Danny could really do some dealing. He might even be able to turn the Cs into a top FA destination....

[gpap]

And just like that we lose to the pathetic Bucks.

 

[Kane3387]

I definitely think we will

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Nothing needs to happen other than that this team needs to go out and try to win some basketball games and develop into better basketball players.  That's what's been happening.  And, for me it's been fun to watch. 

Personally, I would much prefer it if nothing other than that happened for the time being.

Even the best of our young players have ceilings that will prevent this team from going from "fun mediocre squad" to "legit threat".   

If we continue on this path to mediocrity... we might want to cash in our assets sooner rather than later.

  Why are we on a path to mediocrity? I just don't get the mentality that draft picks are the only way to add to the team.

oh they are not. I agree. But can we do it again using only trades? like we did with RA and KG? I'd prefer a little from the draft and a little from trades/free agency. Most feel this way because this draft is LOADED. LOADED.

  It seems to be very over-hyped as well.

Based on what exactly? The top high schoolers have been extremely tantalizing at the college level and a player like Smart has been looking good as well.

So far I think the talent has actually lived up to the hype which is why you have teams like CLE and SAC who were thought to be thinking playoff coming into the season now thinking about not working too hard to correct their early season struggles.

I think the general consensus at this point is still that this draft is "LOADED"

As for the Cs, while I am enjoying watching this team's successes, I think their current course based on assets is not yet "contender," and a top 5 pick would be a huge step in that direction.

Add a top 5 pick from this upcoming draft to our current set of assets and I think Danny could really do some dealing. He might even be able to turn the Cs into a top FA destination....

agreed.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't see DA bringing any old players on to a rebuild .    .......we need a younger Center o start and use Fav as back up

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I don't see DA bringing any old players on to a rebuild .    .......we need a younger Center o start and use Fav as back up

The whole rebuild is supposed to be centered around a young core so we can be contenders for years and years and then just tweak it when needed due to injuries and free agency.