Did Danny hire Brad Stevens TOO SOON!!???

[Celtics18]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

6-10 is hardly .500ish.

I think his point is that this looks like a team that could be .500ish by the end of the season, particularly when you consider that our best player will be returning at some point.

If Rondo's return can help this team to the same record we had last year, I'll be very surprised.

On the other hand, the early conference returns are looking really awful right now. We might end up winning our division with 26.

Or perhaps 37 is more realistic.

Imagine that Rondo misses a total of 32 games, and that the team manages to stay at its current winning rate during that time.  That would make us 12 and 20 when he returns.

If his return could make us a .500 team over the remaining 50 games, that would equal a grand total of 37 wins. 

Maybe I'm just a crazy optimist, but that doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.  Considering the current state of the rest of the East, I'm thinking we might even be able to do a little better than that. 

[LooseCannon]

I believe Danny should (and will) look to trade Bass, Lee and Crawford to any team that will give up a second round pick and / or an end-of-the-rotation young player plus an expiring contract or two.  I'd add Wallace, but unless it's for an even bigger and more putrid contract, I don't see anybody in the league trading for him.

At best, I think you are getting two out of the three.  If you get a young player and a pick, you are probably taking back a bad contract.  If you get a pick and an expiring contract, then you are probably getting an out-of-the-rotation young player if you are getting a young player at all.

I also think teams will probably be looking for compensation for taking on Lee's contract because of its length.  Bass is at least a fringe starter in the NBA.  Lee is a guy who should only be a starter by default.

[PhoSita]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

[Celtics18]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

[Jailan34]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

[Celtics18]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

[D.o.s.]

If I had to give years off my life to go back in time and scrub the notion that "tanking is a necessary evil" from the mind of the average basketball fan, I would.

[Jailan34]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

Okay, i dont know if wiggins or parker will be james or durant but i think they have a great chance to be great players.

But more importantly, as someone who is against tanking what is your plan to get this team back into serious title contention as soon as possible?

[Celtics18]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

Okay, i dont know if wiggins or parker will be james or durant but i think they have a great chance to be great players.

But more importantly, as someone who is against tanking what is your plan to get this team back into serious title contention as soon as possible?

Acquire and develop assets.  Keep the ones that end up being the best fit.  Trade the ones that bring back the best values that are also good fits.  Draft wisely, use free agency wisely, make good trades. 

If we don't luck into getting Wiggins or Parker and see him turn into a Lebron James style superstar within the first five years in the league, what's yours?

[Jailan34]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

Okay, i dont know if wiggins or parker will be james or durant but i think they have a great chance to be great players.

But more importantly, as someone who is against tanking what is your plan to get this team back into serious title contention as soon as possible?

Acquire and develop assets.  Keep the ones that end up being the best fit.  Trade the ones that bring back the best values that are also good fits.  Draft wisely, use free agency wisely, make good trades. 

If we don't luck into getting Wiggins or Parker and see him turn into a Lebron James style superstar within the first five years in the league, what's yours?

See by assets i assume you mean young good players, which teams dont give away for free, or picks. To get a good pick you need to lose a lot. The talent at the top of the draft is much better than that available at the 10th pick even. And the celtics have never signed a major free agent. We are not a city that players want to play in, we do not have a warm climate or good enough players to attract any kind of top talent. The best assets are top lottery picks and to get those you either need to trade your stars or lose a lot of games. So im just unsure what you mean by "acquire assets" its not that simple.

[Celtics18]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

Okay, i dont know if wiggins or parker will be james or durant but i think they have a great chance to be great players.

But more importantly, as someone who is against tanking what is your plan to get this team back into serious title contention as soon as possible?

Acquire and develop assets.  Keep the ones that end up being the best fit.  Trade the ones that bring back the best values that are also good fits.  Draft wisely, use free agency wisely, make good trades. 

If we don't luck into getting Wiggins or Parker and see him turn into a Lebron James style superstar within the first five years in the league, what's yours?

See by assets i assume you mean young good players, which teams dont give away for free, or picks. To get a good pick you need to lose a lot. The talent at the top of the draft is much better than that available at the 10th pick even. And the celtics have never signed a major free agent. We are not a city that players want to play in, we do not have a warm climate or good enough players to attract any kind of top talent. The best assets are top lottery picks and to get those you either need to trade your stars or lose a lot of games. So im just unsure what you mean by "acquire assets" its not that simple.

You didn't answer the question. 

[Jailan34]

 If the right deal comes make it, but there's no need to make trades just for the sake of getting rid of guys.

I suppose there isn't, if you want to see the team win more games this year and you don't care about what draft pick they get, or whether or not the guys getting playing time have a future with the team.

Sully, Klynyk, and Faverani are going to continue to get the time they need, even with Brandon Bass around.  I don't know who exactly Jordan Crawford has been taking minutes away from that you would rather develop.

As far as the winning part goes, yes, I would rather see my team go out there to win games than to tank for a high lottery pick.  I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there. 

Besides Rondo whose coming off a major injury and sullinger maybe olynk, what assets does this team have that, without tanking,will lead us to our next title? To win in this league you need superstars plain and simple. Do you think sullinger and olynk will turn into our durant/lebron because i think they are at best NBA starters

No, I don't think Sullinger and Olynyk will turn into Durant/Lebron.  As a matter of fact, I don't see us getting James or Durant.  I'd rather find another way to do it. 

I don't think Wiggins and Parker will be James and Durant either, and I don't think we'll be bad enough to have a realistic shot at either of them, anyway.

Okay, i dont know if wiggins or parker will be james or durant but i think they have a great chance to be great players.

But more importantly, as someone who is against tanking what is your plan to get this team back into serious title contention as soon as possible?

Acquire and develop assets.  Keep the ones that end up being the best fit.  Trade the ones that bring back the best values that are also good fits.  Draft wisely, use free agency wisely, make good trades. 

If we don't luck into getting Wiggins or Parker and see him turn into a Lebron James style superstar within the first five years in the league, what's yours?

See by assets i assume you mean young good players, which teams dont give away for free, or picks. To get a good pick you need to lose a lot. The talent at the top of the draft is much better than that available at the 10th pick even. And the celtics have never signed a major free agent. We are not a city that players want to play in, we do not have a warm climate or good enough players to attract any kind of top talent. The best assets are top lottery picks and to get those you either need to trade your stars or lose a lot of games. So im just unsure what you mean by "acquire assets" its not that simple.

You didn't answer the question. 

I think its very clear, we need to draft our next superstar, or acquire enough picks and trade for one which a team thinks they cannot keep. We will not sign one through free agency, it wont happen. If our picks don't pan out we stay bad, or acquire enough picks to trade for a real player.

I trust that danny can pick talent, and if we're bad for 3-4 years while he builds up picks and turns them into a big trade or drafts a great player im fine with waiting, i love this team just as much as you do but every player pretty much comes through the draft, and thats how we need to build our team i feel.

[PhoSita]

I happen to think we've got enough assets to rebuild the team into a contender without taking that cynical an approach to try to get there.

Welp, there's the divide between us.  Grand canyon, really.

For what it's worth, I'd be pleased if you were right.

[Celtics18]

I think its very clear, we need to draft our next superstar, or acquire enough picks and trade for one which a team thinks they cannot keep. We will not sign one through free agency, it wont happen. If our picks don't pan out we stay bad, or acquire enough picks to trade for a real player.

I trust that danny can pick talent, and if we're bad for 3-4 years while he builds up picks and turns them into a big trade or drafts a great player im fine with waiting, i love this team just as much as you do but every player pretty much comes through the draft, and thats how we need to build our team i feel.
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You are aware that we own the rights to something like 10 first round draft picks (including our own) over the course of the next five seasons, right?

[Jailan34]

I think its very clear, we need to draft our next superstar, or acquire enough picks and trade for one which a team thinks they cannot keep. We will not sign one through free agency, it wont happen. If our picks don't pan out we stay bad, or acquire enough picks to trade for a real player.

I trust that danny can pick talent, and if we're bad for 3-4 years while he builds up picks and turns them into a big trade or drafts a great player im fine with waiting, i love this team just as much as you do but every player pretty much comes through the draft, and thats how we need to build our team i feel.

You are aware that we own the rights to something like 10 first round draft picks (including our own) over the course of the next five seasons, right?
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Right and they are our biggest asset but we dont know where those picks will end up, if they are all mid round picks i think we should try and trade up as high as we can in the draft. There are plenty of good players coming out in the next few years and im excited to see ainge make some good picks and watch a young talented team develop, its why i love basketball.