Did Danny hire Brad Stevens TOO SOON!!???

[Jailan34]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

[TwinTower14]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

completely agree with you, free agents aren't  beating down the door to come to Boston and who is going to be available via-trade to help build a contender?  People keep sighting the Pacers.  It took the Pacers a decade to get back to a championship level and  they literally hit on all of their draft picks?  You can't win without talent in this league.  It's all tied to the lottery:  Every title...Lebron / Bosh don't go to Miami if Wade isn't there, KG doesn't come to Boston if Ray isn't here, who was acquired via a lottery pick.  Kobe - lottery pick, Tim Duncan etc.. Other than the Pistons, please tell me who won a title without going into a tanking period....

[CFAN38]

Honestly feel that danny managed to trade Doc for a 1st round pick and a younger better coach.

Stevens will hurt us in the lottery race but help us for years to come.

[sed522002]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

I understand the concept and get it, but what I don't understand is when some pro tankers think we have to lose every single game. You still need a competitive team once you get that top pick or you'll be a perpetual lottery team that never even sniffs the playoffs let alone win a championship.

This roster was designed to lose games, which they will do. But you can't instill a losing culture into a young team, it's hard to turn that around.

[crafty213]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

They are going to have a lottery pick it just is not going to be in the Top 5 range.  More likely 8-12 plus the Atlanta or NJ pick.  With the young pieces they have and those picks along with future picks Ainge has plenty of assets to land an impact player if they become available.

[LooseCannon]

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

You don't need high picks.  You need multiple picks.  My idea of a package for a star, should one become available, is Sullinger or Olynyk plus 3-4 first-round picks.

[Interceptor]

I don't understand the fascination with Stevens. I think he's been average at best so far (though somewhat improving in recent games).

Average for a rookie coach, or average for any coach? If it's the latter, perhaps the fascination is warranted.

[kozlodoev]

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

The 15th pick is not a lottery pick. Unless we make it into the last playoff spot by virtue of everyone else in the East being so horrible, there's zero chance we'll be drafting "around the 15th spot".

[Fred Roberts]

First - I agree that Stevens is going to be good. Missing out on Thibs doesn't look so bad anymore.

Second - I think we are going to get 2 solid players even if we win 25-30 games. Isaah Austin with the Hawks/Nets pick and someone potentially better with our own in the top 12? That could be great regardless of top 5.

Third - There are a lot of highly flawed teams this year. Unfortunately, I don't see us losing too often to a lot of these guys. We won't get to .500 unless Rondo really changes things up, but we will continue to beat a lot of these teams.

Heading to Celts vs Nets in December. I think we win. Crazy.

[kozlodoev]

I don't understand the fascination with Stevens. I think he's been average at best so far (though somewhat improving in recent games).

Average for a rookie coach, or average for any coach? If it's the latter, perhaps the fascination is warranted.

Average. There hasn't been one thing I've seen one thing from Stevens that looks to me like it's going to be a definitive strength for him down the road.

His play calling isn't great. He doesn't set rotations or sub very well. He doesn't seem to understand or try to exploit matchups on the court. His team doesn't always play hard.

I'm willing to chalk some of these up to being a rookie coach. And perhaps it's not fair to compare him to Doc when he first showed up (because he came with 4+ years of experience and 3 playoff runs), but with Doc, for example, you could tell right away that team effort and offensive play calling would be strengths down the road.

Sure, there were some bumps early on with Doc, some of them he fixed, some of them he didn't), but you could tell right away what would make him a great coach if he were to develop into one.

With Stevens, I see nothing. He looks to me like the Courtney Lee of the coaching profession. Perhaps it's just me, and I'll have to eat my words 3 years from now, but that's how I feel this season.

[manl_lui]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

I understand the concept and get it, but what I don't understand is when some pro tankers think we have to lose every single game. You still need a competitive team once you get that top pick or you'll be a perpetual lottery team that never even sniffs the playoffs let alone win a championship.

This roster was designed to lose games, which they will do. But you can't instill a losing culture into a young team, it's hard to turn that around.

I like that. I believe there is a difference between tanking, and constructing a team to lose. I think they sound similar but different in a lot of ways

Tanking = losing on purpose, and as the above said, you don't want to instill a losing culture into a young team. I like using the Bobcats cuz they have been "tanking" for how long? I think a team like that will end up wasting their lottery player's time, like Kemba Walker. If you don't make playoffs, what is going to stop a Lebron like situation from happening.

I prefer constructing a team to lose. A. you develop players to actually try to win games. B. Those who are part of the future, stays, those who are not but has high value gets shipped out

[sed522002]

I don't understand the fascination with Stevens. I think he's been average at best so far (though somewhat improving in recent games).

Average for a rookie coach, or average for any coach? If it's the latter, perhaps the fascination is warranted.

Average. There hasn't been one thing I've seen one thing from Stevens that looks to me like it's going to be a definitive strength for him down the road.

His play calling isn't great. He doesn't set rotations or sub very well. He doesn't seem to understand or try to exploit matchups on the court. His team doesn't always play hard.

I'm willing to chalk some of these up to being a rookie coach. And perhaps it's not fair to compare him to Doc when he first showed up (because he came with 4+ years of experience and 3 playoff runs), but with Doc, for example, you could tell right away that team effort and offensive play calling would be strengths down the road.

Sure, there were some bumps early on with Doc, some of them he fixed, some of them he didn't), but you could tell right away what would make him a great coach if he were to develop into one.

With Stevens, I see nothing. He looks to me like the Courtney Lee of the coaching profession. Perhaps it's just me, and I'll have to eat my words 3 years from now, but that's how I feel this season.

If Pop gives him high praise then I think that says a lot in it's self. We still have to wait and see though. I loved Doc, but last season was not his best display of coaching. His rotations, substitutions, play calling was questionable a lot of games.

I think a good comparison would be to see how he stacks against the other 1st yr NBA coaches in his class. That would be interesting to see.

[Jailan34]

What the heck does BS think he's doing?? We're supposed to be losing game after game to get that big lottery payday, and now we've already got six wins after only 20% of the season, and Rondo hasn't even stepped on the court yet!! We even beat the Heat ON THE ROAD! All this with a bunch of ragtag mismatched parts.
If this keeps up, I think Danny will have to take action, as he sees his grand scheme starting to go astray! Seems like when things are going ok, that's when Danny pulls off a deal and everyone goes "oh, no"--that's a horrible move!
Just a feeling like the Celtic world as it was supposed to be this year is a little off axis, and DA may have to make it right!
BS really seems to be a heck of a coach--but stop winning darn it---we don't want to be a .500ish team--NOT THIS YEAR!!!!

lol.  My man.  I've been screaming thesame thing around here only to be bashed by shortsighted "true celtics fans," who would never root for their team to lose.

Seriously, can someone explain to me what good not being the best and not being the worst is going to do for us?

This should be a race to the bottom. 

Love Brad, tho.

I'm not sure how fans who are not pro tanking plan on winning a championship, it wont be through free agency and it wont be through draft around the 15th pick every year. I've taken a lot of heat for being pro tank but I whenever I ask those who are against it what their plan is to win another championship they usually say to make a big trade, thats fine, but to do that you need high picks and we can't get those without losing as many games as possible.

I understand the concept and get it, but what I don't understand is when some pro tankers think we have to lose every single game. You still need a competitive team once you get that top pick or you'll be a perpetual lottery team that never even sniffs the playoffs let alone win a championship.

This roster was designed to lose games, which they will do. But you can't instill a losing culture into a young team, it's hard to turn that around.

I like that. I believe there is a difference between tanking, and constructing a team to lose. I think they sound similar but different in a lot of ways

Tanking = losing on purpose, and as the above said, you don't want to instill a losing culture into a young team. I like using the Bobcats cuz they have been "tanking" for how long? I think a team like that will end up wasting their lottery player's time, like Kemba Walker. If you don't make playoffs, what is going to stop a Lebron like situation from happening.

I prefer constructing a team to lose. A. you develop players to actually try to win games. B. Those who are part of the future, stays, those who are not but has high value gets shipped out

This idea of a losing culture is something I don't understand, a losing culture is not something that sticks around as long as you have competent management and a good coach, we have both. If you want to use the bobcats as an example look who runs them, MJ cannot evaluate players or lock in on good free agents. I would say look at san antonio when they got duncan, or more recently new orleans with anthony davis, or OKC with durant. Tanking for a year hasnt left a mark on those teams. There arent many sure things in life, losing as many games as possible doesnt garuntee us the 1st overall pick, but it gives us the best chance to be successful in the long run.

Danny knows how to use assets, and Stevens looks like he really knows how to coach, as long as we have those two I dont think theres any chance we develop a "losing culture" thats an excuse for teams with poor GM's who screw up their picks and FA signings.

[RAcker]

He got a young coach who can crank out some wins with this team, and it is a bad thing?




I look forward to what he can do when he has talent to work with.

TP.

It is easy to get caught up in the "what if" scenerios of a hypothetical draft where ping pong balls ultimately determine our fate. I personally say let the young guys learn correctly and the record will be whatever it is.  Enough with the riverboat gambler approach and let's enjoy seeing the building blocks come together again.

[Eddie20]

I don't understand the fascination with Stevens. I think he's been average at best so far (though somewhat improving in recent games).

Average for a rookie coach, or average for any coach? If it's the latter, perhaps the fascination is warranted.

Average. There hasn't been one thing I've seen one thing from Stevens that looks to me like it's going to be a definitive strength for him down the road.

His play calling isn't great. He doesn't set rotations or sub very well. He doesn't seem to understand or try to exploit matchups on the court. His team doesn't always play hard.

I'm willing to chalk some of these up to being a rookie coach. And perhaps it's not fair to compare him to Doc when he first showed up (because he came with 4+ years of experience and 3 playoff runs), but with Doc, for example, you could tell right away that team effort and offensive play calling would be strengths down the road.

Sure, there were some bumps early on with Doc, some of them he fixed, some of them he didn't), but you could tell right away what would make him a great coach if he were to develop into one.

With Stevens, I see nothing. He looks to me like the Courtney Lee of the coaching profession. Perhaps it's just me, and I'll have to eat my words 3 years from now, but that's how I feel this season.

I think Stevens has been excellent. Not sure how many coaches would have us 6-10 after this brutal slate of games. The team has been steadily improving despite only having had 5 practices all year according to Stevens. The players have been engaged, the players have played hard, and it's shown with us being in pretty much every game throughout the year. Again, we're 6-10. We have Jordan Crawford playing PG...and playing well. That in itself should sway you towards to Stevens camp.