Celtics interested in Amare

[Smitty77]

Lee Humphries and Wallace for Stat and Shump works.

No chance NY does the deal. I think we'd be lucky to see a Hump / Wallace for Stat deal, much less dumping Lee and adding Shumpert.

If the Cs successfully traded Wallace to anyone for anything, the front office would all jump up and down and chest bump the second Ainge hung up the phone.

You're way too down on Wallace. He is still a capable player and while his contract is bad he's no where near the level of Stoudemire.

I read in the rumor thread that the C's aren't pushing to include Shump in the deal which I think is crazy. Even if we assume AB as our future SG, Shump is a great trade asset.

The reason we should get the better of this deal is because we have leverage. We're not competing this year (or likely next) so we aren't in a rush to plug holes in our boat. On the other hand the Knicks are competing and further they are trying to keep Carmello happy. We have no real urgency to make this trade and seemingly they do.

Amare's contract is worse than Wallace's. Wallace will at least play and give you hustle. Add to that Humphries as a very capable big and Lee as a 3-and-D guard...I don't see this deal as lopsided at all. Wallace and Lee don't have great contracts but they are still good players. Stoudemire is cooked and it seems like everyone has known it for at least a full season now.

So count me in for this trade as long as Shump is included. I don't want to just swap salaries with NYK and get nothing for making them better. If they are going to get better we need to get something for it.

C's can't "leverage" Shump into the deal. They have no leverage. If NY doesn't like the deal, they just walk away lol

Also, ask yourself if you had Shumpert, would you take Courtney Lee for him? If you say yes you're probably lying.

I think NY does this deal if we throw in a future first rounder.  That will get this done and get Shumpert to us.

Smitty77

[Tr1boy]

Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee and now you can include Green.

At worse you can get back a 2nd pick for any of these guys and some definitely a 1st round pick.

IF nobody is willing to give up a pick or young player than by the trade deadline, definitely Wallace and Humprhies for Amare will happen.

Then likely Amare waived.

Getting rid of Wallace and Humprhies also = more time on the floor for Faverani and we can also bring up Osby. 

[LooseCannon]

I honestly wouldn't trade for Amare's contract unless I was getting enough in return that I would still feel like I won the deal if I told him to not bother coming in and to just sit at home until his deal expires.

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Lee Humphries and Wallace for Stat and Shump works.

No chance NY does the deal. I think we'd be lucky to see a Hump / Wallace for Stat deal, much less dumping Lee and adding Shumpert.

If the Cs successfully traded Wallace to anyone for anything, the front office would all jump up and down and chest bump the second Ainge hung up the phone.

You're way too down on Wallace. He is still a capable player and while his contract is bad he's no where near the level of Stoudemire.

I read in the rumor thread that the C's aren't pushing to include Shump in the deal which I think is crazy. Even if we assume AB as our future SG, Shump is a great trade asset.

The reason we should get the better of this deal is because we have leverage. We're not competing this year (or likely next) so we aren't in a rush to plug holes in our boat. On the other hand the Knicks are competing and further they are trying to keep Carmello happy. We have no real urgency to make this trade and seemingly they do.

Amare's contract is worse than Wallace's. Wallace will at least play and give you hustle. Add to that Humphries as a very capable big and Lee as a 3-and-D guard...I don't see this deal as lopsided at all. Wallace and Lee don't have great contracts but they are still good players. Stoudemire is cooked and it seems like everyone has known it for at least a full season now.

So count me in for this trade as long as Shump is included. I don't want to just swap salaries with NYK and get nothing for making them better. If they are going to get better we need to get something for it.

Disagree. I'd argue Wallace is the least friendly trade 'asset' in the NBA. Under the current CBA, there's not a team on earth that wants to pay Wallace $10million in 2015-16. The guy is luggage in 2013-14.

Stoudamire's contract is also high on that list, which is why when Ainge mentioned Wallace the Knicks didn't immediately hang up the phone. But I don't buy the argument that its worse than Wallace's, particularly for a rebuilding team. I think if the Wallace / Hump for Stat deal is on the table, the Cs take it without blinking.

As for leverage, the Cs don't have any when they're moving Wallace. They are not going to get back the Knicks best young asset in a deal in a Wallace deal, unless they give one back (and no, not Courtney Lee -- a Bradley, Sully, KO type asset). If Shumpert gets traded, he will be for something or someone good, not bad. 

I also read a quote above:

"Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee."

Again -- strongly disagree. I doubt there's a single item they'd prefer to make happen right now than dumping Wallace. It's hard to imagine they can do it in any deal without it being based around Rondo. If they can do it... with Bass or Humphries?... they'll jump all over it.

One more note: the only player on your list who might drive an asset on the trade market is Bass. Humphries and Lee will not yield the Cs a 'nice young player' or a decent pick. Lee will be very difficult to trade... for anything.

[Lucky17]

Amare is earning $21.679 million this season.

Amare's points, rebounds, minutes averaged, and PER this season total 21.27.

That's simply astounding.

[aporel#18]

Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee and now you can include Green.

At worse you can get back a 2nd pick for any of these guys and some definitely a 1st round pick.

IF nobody is willing to give up a pick or young player than by the trade deadline, definitely Wallace and Humprhies for Amare will happen.

Then likely Amare waived.

Getting rid of Wallace and Humprhies also = more time on the floor for Faverani and we can also bring up Osby.

Amare+Shump for Wallace+Humphries+Lee works for both teams, and the best "asset" the Celtics would get is cutting down some millions from the cap. Of course, if Shumpert could get back to 100%, he would be the best piece for the Cs, but you can't count on that.

Knicks have no other assets outside of Hardaway Jr., and they need useful players. As of today, Humphries, Lee and Wallace are better players than Amare or an injured Shumpert. The Knicks are in cap hell anyways, and after this trade they would be able to cut Hump's salary at the end of the season, while fielding a better team around Melo.

Wallace is not a scorer, but he can defend, can annoy LeBroid/Wade/Paul George/Pierce... he's useful for them.

Lee is healthy, can defend and can attack the basket, unlike JR or Melo. He's a good complement for the Knicks.

Humphries is a solid big, I actually like him a lot as the first big off the bench, but we can afford him. He could be useful for any contender, so he is a good fit there.

After that trade, the Celtics would still have Bass/Bogans/Crawesome to try to get one or more picks. Those are the easier to move contracts. Bogans pseudo-expiring can bring a young prospect, and if showcasing keeps going, Bass+Crawesome can bring a first round pick alongside a bad 2-year contract (Perkins?). That bad 2-year contract would be highly useful at the 2015 trade deadline, just like Amare's. A contender just can't have 25-30M in dead weight, but in this scenario the Celtics could afford that.

I hope Danny is looking for this kind of flexibility.

[BleedGreen1989]

Lee Humphries and Wallace for Stat and Shump works.

No chance NY does the deal. I think we'd be lucky to see a Hump / Wallace for Stat deal, much less dumping Lee and adding Shumpert.

If the Cs successfully traded Wallace to anyone for anything, the front office would all jump up and down and chest bump the second Ainge hung up the phone.

You're way too down on Wallace. He is still a capable player and while his contract is bad he's no where near the level of Stoudemire.

I read in the rumor thread that the C's aren't pushing to include Shump in the deal which I think is crazy. Even if we assume AB as our future SG, Shump is a great trade asset.

The reason we should get the better of this deal is because we have leverage. We're not competing this year (or likely next) so we aren't in a rush to plug holes in our boat. On the other hand the Knicks are competing and further they are trying to keep Carmello happy. We have no real urgency to make this trade and seemingly they do.

Amare's contract is worse than Wallace's. Wallace will at least play and give you hustle. Add to that Humphries as a very capable big and Lee as a 3-and-D guard...I don't see this deal as lopsided at all. Wallace and Lee don't have great contracts but they are still good players. Stoudemire is cooked and it seems like everyone has known it for at least a full season now.

So count me in for this trade as long as Shump is included. I don't want to just swap salaries with NYK and get nothing for making them better. If they are going to get better we need to get something for it.

Disagree. I'd argue Wallace is the least friendly trade 'asset' in the NBA. Under the current CBA, there's not a team on earth that wants to pay Wallace $10million in 2015-16. The guy is luggage in 2013-14.

Stoudamire's contract is also high on that list, which is why when Ainge mentioned Wallace the Knicks didn't immediately hang up the phone. But I don't buy the argument that its worse than Wallace's, particularly for a rebuilding team. I think if the Wallace / Hump for Stat deal is on the table, the Cs take it without blinking.

As for leverage, the Cs don't have any when they're moving Wallace. They are not going to get back the Knicks best young asset in a deal in a Wallace deal, unless they give one back (and no, not Courtney Lee -- a Bradley, Sully, KO type asset). If Shumpert gets traded, he will be for something or someone good, not bad. 

I also read a quote above:

"Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee."

Again -- strongly disagree. I doubt there's a single item they'd prefer to make happen right now than dumping Wallace. It's hard to imagine they can do it in any deal without it being based around Rondo. If they can do it... with Bass or Humphries?... they'll jump all over it.

One more note: the only player on your list who might drive an asset on the trade market is Bass. Humphries and Lee will not yield the Cs a 'nice young player' or a decent pick. Lee will be very difficult to trade... for anything.

TP for the truth. Well said

[VitorSullyandKOFan]

Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee and now you can include Green.

At worse you can get back a 2nd pick for any of these guys and some definitely a 1st round pick.

IF nobody is willing to give up a pick or young player than by the trade deadline, definitely Wallace and Humprhies for Amare will happen.

Then likely Amare waived.

Getting rid of Wallace and Humprhies also = more time on the floor for Faverani and we can also bring up Osby.

Amare+Shump for Wallace+Humphries+Lee works for both teams, and the best "asset" the Celtics would get is cutting down some millions from the cap. Of course, if Shumpert could get back to 100%, he would be the best piece for the Cs, but you can't count on that.

Knicks have no other assets outside of Hardaway Jr., and they need useful players. As of today, Humphries, Lee and Wallace are better players than Amare or an injured Shumpert. The Knicks are in cap hell anyways, and after this trade they would be able to cut Hump's salary at the end of the season, while fielding a better team around Melo.

Wallace is not a scorer, but he can defend, can annoy LeBroid/Wade/Paul George/Pierce... he's useful for them.

Lee is healthy, can defend and can attack the basket, unlike JR or Melo. He's a good complement for the Knicks.

Humphries is a solid big, I actually like him a lot as the first big off the bench, but we can afford him. He could be useful for any contender, so he is a good fit there.

After that trade, the Celtics would still have Bass/Bogans/Crawesome to try to get one or more picks. Those are the easier to move contracts. Bogans pseudo-expiring can bring a young prospect, and if showcasing keeps going, Bass+Crawesome can bring a first round pick alongside a bad 2-year contract (Perkins?). That bad 2-year contract would be highly useful at the 2015 trade deadline, just like Amare's. A contender just can't have 25-30M in dead weight, but in this scenario the Celtics could afford that.

I hope Danny is looking for this kind of flexibility.

And if we take Amare contract we will be saving them around 45 millions in taxes in other words we are helping them. ALso even with Wallace they have money for Melo's max contract and other max contract in 2015.

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Dumping salaries will be the last option Danny takes.

Ainge wants picks or a nice young player for Bass, Humprhies, Lee and now you can include Green.

At worse you can get back a 2nd pick for any of these guys and some definitely a 1st round pick.

IF nobody is willing to give up a pick or young player than by the trade deadline, definitely Wallace and Humprhies for Amare will happen.

Then likely Amare waived.

Getting rid of Wallace and Humprhies also = more time on the floor for Faverani and we can also bring up Osby.

Amare+Shump for Wallace+Humphries+Lee works for both teams, and the best "asset" the Celtics would get is cutting down some millions from the cap. Of course, if Shumpert could get back to 100%, he would be the best piece for the Cs, but you can't count on that.

Knicks have no other assets outside of Hardaway Jr., and they need useful players. As of today, Humphries, Lee and Wallace are better players than Amare or an injured Shumpert. The Knicks are in cap hell anyways, and after this trade they would be able to cut Hump's salary at the end of the season, while fielding a better team around Melo.

Wallace is not a scorer, but he can defend, can annoy LeBroid/Wade/Paul George/Pierce... he's useful for them.

Lee is healthy, can defend and can attack the basket, unlike JR or Melo. He's a good complement for the Knicks.

Humphries is a solid big, I actually like him a lot as the first big off the bench, but we can afford him. He could be useful for any contender, so he is a good fit there.

After that trade, the Celtics would still have Bass/Bogans/Crawesome to try to get one or more picks. Those are the easier to move contracts. Bogans pseudo-expiring can bring a young prospect, and if showcasing keeps going, Bass+Crawesome can bring a first round pick alongside a bad 2-year contract (Perkins?). That bad 2-year contract would be highly useful at the 2015 trade deadline, just like Amare's. A contender just can't have 25-30M in dead weight, but in this scenario the Celtics could afford that.

I hope Danny is looking for this kind of flexibility.

I'm sorry -- but this is all just wishful thinking. Your POV on the Knicks needs, your analysis of the Cs players and the trade itself.... all wishful thinking.

Teams do fairly frequently exchange junk for junk. Teams don't send good players on rookie contracts to other teams for crap -- not even the Knicks.

Granted it was the Knicks who floated that Shumpert-for-Faried rumor, but you think they've adjusted their goals from Faried to Courtney Lee? Or Gerald Wallace? On their contracts? C'mon....

[Lucky17]

I don't think there's another team in the league besides the Celtics who can be a realistic trade partner for Amare's deal.

Maybe the Kings?

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I don't think there's another team in the league besides the Celtics who can be a realistic trade partner for Amare's deal.

Maybe the Kings?

Fair point. It's a stretch for most teams.

[Lucky17]

Now my wheels are turning, trying to figure out a potential three-team deal.

Recent rumors said that Sacto was interested in Shumpert as well.

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Now my wheels are turning, trying to figure out a potential three-team deal.

Recent rumors said that Sacto was interested in Shumpert as well.

Interesting tidbit from Marc Stein today:

I still have Asik right at the top of my Vets Sure To Be Dealt Before The Trade Deadline list, because he so badly wants out, and because trades are what the Daryl Morey Rockets do.

You also have to have Iman Shumpert, Derrick Williams and Arron Afflalo/Jameer Nelson up there. Especially Shumpert now that, according to league sources, both the Knicks and the player himself concede that a trade is inevitable.

I don't really follow what their differences are, and I don't see him landing on the Cs unless they give up Bradley, Sullinger or Olynyk (which I don't see Ainge doing for Shumpert). But sounds like the guy is get moved.

The Kings might give up a decent asset for him. They're pretty desparate, it sounds like.

[LarBrd33]

Forget Shumpert.

Just trade Wallace and Hump for Amare and call it a day.  It's just a salary swap.

Lee has 3 years on his deal too... if you can include him for a 2 year deal, you do that as well. 

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Forget Shumpert.

Just trade Wallace and Hump for Amare and call it a day.  It's just a salary swap.

Lee has 3 years on his deal too... if you can include him for a 2 year deal, you do that as well.

I agree with you. Just pointing out that the Kings might be a decent fit for a Shumpert deal. Thomas for Shumpert makes some sense... the Knicks love these all sizzle guys (regardless of whether it will actually help them win anything).