Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?

[scaryjerry]

I wonder how all the Rondo-haters will react if Wallace calls out Rondo for taking plays off.

Wallace is a scrub who has already quit on this team......he should probably just shut up

[badshar]

he bette look in the mirror himself..he is not actually tearing up the boxscore himself

Stats have absolutely NOTHING to do with your effort. Crawford could ballhog and drop 30 points. That doesn't mean he put a lot of effort and tried his hardest. It means that he decided to play "hero-ball" and become selfish by caring about his own stats.

Wallace might be the only consistent and hard-working player on this team.

Measuring someone's effort and performance by looking at the box score is the most pathetic way to try to understand what they bring to the team.

This really isn't true!

Obviously the box score is not everything.  Of course it isn't.  I love guys who aren't playing just for stats and do the little thing.  But why are stats there?  To measure performance.  When Chris Paul puts up 16 assists the other day, yes his stats look good, but they are just a reflection of how his passing dominated the game.

When Wallace is putting up zeros in a numbers of categories, it's a reflection of his game.  He just doesn't bring much.  On a team that needs scoring he can't score.  On a team that needs rebounding he can't rebound.

Playing hard is all well and good.  I love it.  But you know, they could hire me and I'd play harder out there than anyone for them.  But I'd still suck because I wouldn't be able to score, I wouldn't be able to rebound.  So who cares?  Production matters.

For the Chris Paul comparison, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Clippers are known to play good in the regular season and then get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs every year, no matter how many assists he hands out to "dominate the game" or how many dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down.

As for Wallace being wrong just because he doesn't fill up the scoreboard, that's an awful way to look at anything.

Sure he might not be able to fill up the scoreboard because he may not be good enough for it anymore, but as long as he is working hard and bringing his best to the court every game, he can't be criticized.

Again, stats are an awful way to measure just about anything. Even if he is not scoring, what about those other guys who he is calling out? There is absolutely no change in them. They continue to do what they are doing.

This is like saying if some small startup enters an industry and sees that all the big companies of that industry are doing wrong things, then it would be wrong for the startup to raise questions about the big companies because the startup isn't returning as much revenue (or stats in the game) as those big companies.

If a guy sees something wrong, he will say it. You shouldn't be speaking about your concerns for your team based on your stats. That's just ridiculous and wrong.

[gpap]

The team is playing great, winning all games.... Why Wallace sounds off again?! Shame on him...

Lol....I know huh. Clearly this team is going to break the Bulls 72 win season.

[Snakehead]

he bette look in the mirror himself..he is not actually tearing up the boxscore himself

Stats have absolutely NOTHING to do with your effort. Crawford could ballhog and drop 30 points. That doesn't mean he put a lot of effort and tried his hardest. It means that he decided to play "hero-ball" and become selfish by caring about his own stats.

Wallace might be the only consistent and hard-working player on this team.

Measuring someone's effort and performance by looking at the box score is the most pathetic way to try to understand what they bring to the team.

This really isn't true!

Obviously the box score is not everything.  Of course it isn't.  I love guys who aren't playing just for stats and do the little thing.  But why are stats there?  To measure performance.  When Chris Paul puts up 16 assists the other day, yes his stats look good, but they are just a reflection of how his passing dominated the game.

When Wallace is putting up zeros in a numbers of categories, it's a reflection of his game.  He just doesn't bring much.  On a team that needs scoring he can't score.  On a team that needs rebounding he can't rebound.

Playing hard is all well and good.  I love it.  But you know, they could hire me and I'd play harder out there than anyone for them.  But I'd still suck because I wouldn't be able to score, I wouldn't be able to rebound.  So who cares?  Production matters.

For the Chris Paul comparison, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Clippers are known to play good in the regular season and then get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs every year, no matter how many assists he hands out to "dominate the game" or how many dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down.

As for Wallace being wrong just because he doesn't fill up the scoreboard, that's an awful way to look at anything.

Sure he might not be able to fill up the scoreboard because he may not be good enough for it anymore, but as long as he is working hard and bringing his best to the court every game, he can't be criticized.

Again, stats are an awful way to measure just about anything. Even if he is not scoring, what about those other guys who he is calling out? There is absolutely no change in them. They continue to do what they are doing.

This is like saying if some small startup enters an industry and sees that all the big companies of that industry are doing wrong things, then it would be wrong for the startup to raise questions about the big companies because the startup isn't returning as much revenue (or stats in the game) as those big companies.

If a guy sees something wrong, he will say it. You shouldn't be speaking about your concerns for your team based on your stats. That's just ridiculous and wrong.

Man... I don't know what to say.

Chris Paul putting up 16 assists doesn't tell the tale of the game?  And you are talking about the playoffs? What? It has NOTHING to do with it.  The point is when someone puts up 16 assists, their stats reflect that they were dominating the other teams defense.  That is exactly what happened in that game.  Clearly you did not watch it.

Your business analogy... this would be like a start up who has bad ideas and isn't making any money calling out big companies who are doing well in their field, yes. 

You have to score to win basketball games.  You have to pass (which assists can reflect), you have to defend (which blocks and steals can reflect), you have to rebound (which rebounds very clearly reflect).  These things matter.  To think they don't is ridiculous.  Very much so.

Like I said, hire me Celtics.  I'll play as hard or even harder than Gerald Wallace and guess what? It doesn't matter.  This league is about production.  You have to produce to win.  Kevin Garnett is the ultimate team player and even still, he has incredible statistics through his career because he is a great player.  A guy that doesn't try to get stats still has his production reflected through stats.

 

[D.o.s.]

he bette look in the mirror himself..he is not actually tearing up the boxscore himself

Stats have absolutely NOTHING to do with your effort. Crawford could ballhog and drop 30 points. That doesn't mean he put a lot of effort and tried his hardest. It means that he decided to play "hero-ball" and become selfish by caring about his own stats.

Wallace might be the only consistent and hard-working player on this team.

Measuring someone's effort and performance by looking at the box score is the most pathetic way to try to understand what they bring to the team.

This really isn't true!

Obviously the box score is not everything.  Of course it isn't.  I love guys who aren't playing just for stats and do the little thing.  But why are stats there?  To measure performance.  When Chris Paul puts up 16 assists the other day, yes his stats look good, but they are just a reflection of how his passing dominated the game.

When Wallace is putting up zeros in a numbers of categories, it's a reflection of his game.  He just doesn't bring much.  On a team that needs scoring he can't score.  On a team that needs rebounding he can't rebound.

Playing hard is all well and good.  I love it.  But you know, they could hire me and I'd play harder out there than anyone for them.  But I'd still suck because I wouldn't be able to score, I wouldn't be able to rebound.  So who cares?  Production matters.

For the Chris Paul comparison, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Clippers are known to play good in the regular season and then get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs every year, no matter how many assists he hands out to "dominate the game" or how many dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down.

As for Wallace being wrong just because he doesn't fill up the scoreboard, that's an awful way to look at anything.

Sure he might not be able to fill up the scoreboard because he may not be good enough for it anymore, but as long as he is working hard and bringing his best to the court every game, he can't be criticized.

Again, stats are an awful way to measure just about anything. Even if he is not scoring, what about those other guys who he is calling out? There is absolutely no change in them. They continue to do what they are doing.

This is like saying if some small startup enters an industry and sees that all the big companies of that industry are doing wrong things, then it would be wrong for the startup to raise questions about the big companies because the startup isn't returning as much revenue (or stats in the game) as those big companies.

If a guy sees something wrong, he will say it. You shouldn't be speaking about your concerns for your team based on your stats. That's just ridiculous and wrong.

I agree with the bolded.

It's almost impossible to voice concerns about something like this without being seen in a negative light, though.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I supported him for calling the team out for lack of effort.

I won't support him this time. I think the team already got the message and played all heart and might during the Memphis game that we unfortunately could not hang on.

I'm not sure what his agenda is at this point. Is he just trying to alienate himself so he gets out of the team as fast as he can? This has to be enough, there's nothing need to be said at this point.

Oh and BTW, how about trying to shoot Gerald? I love your effort and all but jeez, 30+ minutes and no FG attempt?

[CelticG1]

Wouldn't expect anything less from a guy who gives up on his favorite sports teams.

[badshar]

It's time for him to shut up.

This is your solution?!

My solution for what?

For Wallace making himself a distraction rather than a leader?  Yes.

Wallace saying all this is far from a distraction. It can only irritate and motivate the rest of the team to go out and make him quiet by doing everything that he criticizes them for.

Doc called out the team tons of times over the years. What happened? Oh I remember! The domination in the next game, because the team was motivated to prove Doc's criticism wrong. They didn't get "distracted."

Nor did Rondo. He wasn't distracted when the media questioned his effort over the regular season and whether he will be traded. Instead, he got motivated to prove the critics wrong and destroyed the "Linsanity" hype surrounding the game against the Knicks at that time. He went out and set a historic triple-double performance (18 points, 20 assists, 17 rebounds).

The fact that Wallace's criticism doesn't affect the players in any whatsoever just indicates that the team consists of a bunch of losers who are pretty much useless. Actually, I should say that the team consists of a bunch of losers who just don't have a heart of a champion.

Everything is right about Wallace's criticism. The fact that the rest of the players have yet to do anything about what Wallace said that Wallace is completely right.

The thing you are entirely missing is coach's calling out their team is way different than a player, especially when a player isn't contributing to wins, calling out the team and excluding himself.

When do you see anyone you'd consider a good leader around the league do this?  You hardly see anyone do this anyways in any sport.  It just isn't good leadership

Talk about "useless"... that's Wallace on the court.  He has been useless.

It's the fans who think of Wallace as a leader. Unless you go to every game and every practice and know everything about the team, you can't just assume that he is playing the leader role. Media is even worse, if that's where you get your info from, since they'll write whatever sells.

Since we're talking about a team that has trouble even bringing effort to the court, any player that brings even somewhat effort automatically gains an upper-hand in being able to call the team out.

If you're gonna criticize Wallace for calling out team and not being able to back it up by stats, then what do you say about the rest of the people who, unlike Wallace, don't even bring a little effort nor put any stats on the scoreboard?

It pretty much settles with the rest of the team: On one hand, you have players who don't bother bringing any effort to the game and no matter how hard they try to put up stats, they are too bad to do even that. So they can neither bring effort nor put stats.

On the other hand, you have a guy bringing effort but also calling out the team.

Since not putting up stats is bad in Wallace's case, then it should be true to the rest of the team too.

So basically, the entire team is useless and deserves criticism, not just Wallace.

[badshar]

he bette look in the mirror himself..he is not actually tearing up the boxscore himself

Stats have absolutely NOTHING to do with your effort. Crawford could ballhog and drop 30 points. That doesn't mean he put a lot of effort and tried his hardest. It means that he decided to play "hero-ball" and become selfish by caring about his own stats.

Wallace might be the only consistent and hard-working player on this team.

Measuring someone's effort and performance by looking at the box score is the most pathetic way to try to understand what they bring to the team.

This really isn't true!

Obviously the box score is not everything.  Of course it isn't.  I love guys who aren't playing just for stats and do the little thing.  But why are stats there?  To measure performance.  When Chris Paul puts up 16 assists the other day, yes his stats look good, but they are just a reflection of how his passing dominated the game.

When Wallace is putting up zeros in a numbers of categories, it's a reflection of his game.  He just doesn't bring much.  On a team that needs scoring he can't score.  On a team that needs rebounding he can't rebound.

Playing hard is all well and good.  I love it.  But you know, they could hire me and I'd play harder out there than anyone for them.  But I'd still suck because I wouldn't be able to score, I wouldn't be able to rebound.  So who cares?  Production matters.

For the Chris Paul comparison, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Clippers are known to play good in the regular season and then get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs every year, no matter how many assists he hands out to "dominate the game" or how many dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down.

As for Wallace being wrong just because he doesn't fill up the scoreboard, that's an awful way to look at anything.

Sure he might not be able to fill up the scoreboard because he may not be good enough for it anymore, but as long as he is working hard and bringing his best to the court every game, he can't be criticized.

Again, stats are an awful way to measure just about anything. Even if he is not scoring, what about those other guys who he is calling out? There is absolutely no change in them. They continue to do what they are doing.

This is like saying if some small startup enters an industry and sees that all the big companies of that industry are doing wrong things, then it would be wrong for the startup to raise questions about the big companies because the startup isn't returning as much revenue (or stats in the game) as those big companies.

If a guy sees something wrong, he will say it. You shouldn't be speaking about your concerns for your team based on your stats. That's just ridiculous and wrong.

Man... I don't know what to say.

Chris Paul putting up 16 assists doesn't tell the tale of the game?  And you are talking about the playoffs? What? It has NOTHING to do with it.  The point is when someone puts up 16 assists, their stats reflect that they were dominating the other teams defense.  That is exactly what happened in that game.  Clearly you did not watch it.

Your business analogy... this would be like a start up who has bad ideas and isn't making any money calling out big companies who are doing well in their field, yes. 

You have to score to win basketball games.  You have to pass (which assists can reflect), you have to defend (which blocks and steals can reflect), you have to rebound (which rebounds very clearly reflect).  These things matter.  To think they don't is ridiculous.  Very much so.

Like I said, hire me Celtics.  I'll play as hard or even harder than Gerald Wallace and guess what? It doesn't matter.  This league is about production.  You have to produce to win.  Kevin Garnett is the ultimate team player and even still, he has incredible statistics through his career because he is a great player.  A guy that doesn't try to get stats still has his production reflected through stats.

 

At the end of the day, if Wallace is to be criticized, then everyone else more than deserves it too.

[Snakehead]

he bette look in the mirror himself..he is not actually tearing up the boxscore himself

Stats have absolutely NOTHING to do with your effort. Crawford could ballhog and drop 30 points. That doesn't mean he put a lot of effort and tried his hardest. It means that he decided to play "hero-ball" and become selfish by caring about his own stats.

Wallace might be the only consistent and hard-working player on this team.

Measuring someone's effort and performance by looking at the box score is the most pathetic way to try to understand what they bring to the team.

This really isn't true!

Obviously the box score is not everything.  Of course it isn't.  I love guys who aren't playing just for stats and do the little thing.  But why are stats there?  To measure performance.  When Chris Paul puts up 16 assists the other day, yes his stats look good, but they are just a reflection of how his passing dominated the game.

When Wallace is putting up zeros in a numbers of categories, it's a reflection of his game.  He just doesn't bring much.  On a team that needs scoring he can't score.  On a team that needs rebounding he can't rebound.

Playing hard is all well and good.  I love it.  But you know, they could hire me and I'd play harder out there than anyone for them.  But I'd still suck because I wouldn't be able to score, I wouldn't be able to rebound.  So who cares?  Production matters.

For the Chris Paul comparison, that's a pretty bad comparison. The Clippers are known to play good in the regular season and then get destroyed in the first round of the playoffs every year, no matter how many assists he hands out to "dominate the game" or how many dunks Griffin and Jordan throw down.

As for Wallace being wrong just because he doesn't fill up the scoreboard, that's an awful way to look at anything.

Sure he might not be able to fill up the scoreboard because he may not be good enough for it anymore, but as long as he is working hard and bringing his best to the court every game, he can't be criticized.

Again, stats are an awful way to measure just about anything. Even if he is not scoring, what about those other guys who he is calling out? There is absolutely no change in them. They continue to do what they are doing.

This is like saying if some small startup enters an industry and sees that all the big companies of that industry are doing wrong things, then it would be wrong for the startup to raise questions about the big companies because the startup isn't returning as much revenue (or stats in the game) as those big companies.

If a guy sees something wrong, he will say it. You shouldn't be speaking about your concerns for your team based on your stats. That's just ridiculous and wrong.

Man... I don't know what to say.

Chris Paul putting up 16 assists doesn't tell the tale of the game?  And you are talking about the playoffs? What? It has NOTHING to do with it.  The point is when someone puts up 16 assists, their stats reflect that they were dominating the other teams defense.  That is exactly what happened in that game.  Clearly you did not watch it.

Your business analogy... this would be like a start up who has bad ideas and isn't making any money calling out big companies who are doing well in their field, yes. 

You have to score to win basketball games.  You have to pass (which assists can reflect), you have to defend (which blocks and steals can reflect), you have to rebound (which rebounds very clearly reflect).  These things matter.  To think they don't is ridiculous.  Very much so.

Like I said, hire me Celtics.  I'll play as hard or even harder than Gerald Wallace and guess what? It doesn't matter.  This league is about production.  You have to produce to win.  Kevin Garnett is the ultimate team player and even still, he has incredible statistics through his career because he is a great player.  A guy that doesn't try to get stats still has his production reflected through stats.

 

At the end of the day, if Wallace is to be criticized, then everyone else more than deserves it too.

Wallace is a terrible basketball player.  We knew this coming in.  I thought maybe on a team with less on offense he would at least score more but even that's not the case.  I'm fine with that.  I know our team isn't going to be good, made peace with it coming in.

But he is the only player calling out teammates when he is terrible.  He is terrible.  If other players were doing that I would say the same. 

I'd say the same if Rondo came back and was playing at his All Star level and said "they" about the team and called them out and didn't include himself.

This is good leadership.  Watch it.  This guy was getting killed in the first half of his game because his line couldn't block the Texans (on one play, they let JJ Watt immediately through the line unblocked in the first) and he still says "we".  "We were getting our butts kicked".  This is leadership.

http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/Luck_Press_Conference_Colts_vs_Texans/af86f5d3-f0a3-4862-8306-fb2b474c3892

[Celtics4ever]

He took how many shots last game?  Leaders lead not just talk.

[Interceptor]

On this Gerald Wallace thing, for those that don't listen to the BS Report, go here:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9931626

... and start listening at the 26:20 mark. Bill and Zach talked about it (including about Wallace's complaining). My favorite line, from Zach:

"Did you see Gerald Wallace's stat line last night? That is hard to do in the NBA. You put me in an NBA game for 28 minutes, I am taking a shot. I don't care if J.J. Barea rejects it 10 rows into the crowd, I am making sure that I record a field goal attempt in 28 minutes."

[LooseCannon]

I'm still trying to figure out what Wallace said this time around that was so bad.  The negative reaction sounds more like "I hate Wallace and don't want to hear him talk" or "Wallace sucks and therefore should not be allowed to speak".

Some of the stuff he is saying here is the sort of routine observation you might expect from a coach or GM talking about a generic rebuilding team.  I just don't see the harm in Wallace saying this to the media.

[CelticG1]

On this Gerald Wallace thing, for those that don't listen to the BS Report, go here:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9931626

... and start listening at the 26:20 mark. Bill and Zach talked about it (including about Wallace's complaining). My favorite line, from Zach:

"Did you see Gerald Wallace's stat line last night? That is hard to do in the NBA. You put me in an NBA game for 28 minutes, I am taking a shot. I don't care if J.J. Barea rejects it 10 rows into the crowd, I am making sure that I record a field goal attempt in 28 minutes."

What can he do? He's against stats!

[D.o.s.]

On this Gerald Wallace thing, for those that don't listen to the BS Report, go here:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9931626

... and start listening at the 26:20 mark. Bill and Zach talked about it (including about Wallace's complaining). My favorite line, from Zach:

"Did you see Gerald Wallace's stat line last night? That is hard to do in the NBA. You put me in an NBA game for 28 minutes, I am taking a shot. I don't care if J.J. Barea rejects it 10 rows into the crowd, I am making sure that I record a field goal attempt in 28 minutes."

Coming from a pair of guys who've been known to complain about people shooting too much, that's a have your cake and eat it too argument.