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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2013, 10:52:08 AM »

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The other thing to pay attention to, as LC said, is that he's answering a specific question. I know a lot of CB posters are probably used to Bellicheck-ian "don't say anything to anyone ever under any circumstances," responses from athletes, but when these guys are stuck doing the mandatory pre-game/post-game press conferences and they're asked questions, they're under a fiscal obligation to answer them--if you bail on that, you get fined.

Maybe it would be better if Wallace imitated Ainge, so that everyone immediately tries to figure out if he's lying or something.

Sometimes, I think Wallace does have an agenda, and it's pretty simple.  If you bench him, you had better be giving his minutes to someone who deserves it by playing as hard as he does.
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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2013, 10:55:27 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.

I've read the entire article and I still think that every question doesn't deserve a deep and in depth answer. The media has found a go to guy for quotes. They're going to keep going to him because of it.

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2013, 10:55:47 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.
Writers love guys like Wallace.

Well of course. If I was the Globe's hoops guy, I'd be chatting him up as often as possible, especially if I was trying to generate traffic to my story in spite of and (in light of) the C's colder than cold start. Ask the 2000 Patriots--the general public doesn't care about a losing team.

The other thing to pay attention to, as LC said, is that he's answering a specific question. I know a lot of CB posters are probably used to Bellicheck-ian "don't say anything to anyone ever under any circumstances," responses from athletes, but when these guys are stuck doing the mandatory pre-game/post-game press conferences and they're asked questions, they're under a fiscal obligation to answer them--if you bail on that, you get fined.

Maybe it would be better if Wallace imitated Ainge, so that everyone immediately tries to figure out if he's lying or something.

Sometimes, I think Wallace does have an agenda, and it's pretty simple.  If you bench him, you had better be giving his minutes to someone who deserves it by playing as hard as he does.

That's a reasonable assumption, I think.
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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2013, 10:57:13 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.
Writers love guys like Wallace.

Well of course. If I was the Globe's hoops guy, I'd be chatting him up as often as possible, especially if I was trying to generate traffic to my story in spite of and (in light of) the C's colder than cold start. Ask the 2000 Patriots--the general public doesn't care about a losing team.
Right, so the lede is going to protect Wallace. As will future reports based on his "not complaining".

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2013, 10:58:45 AM »

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It's time for him to shut up.

This is your solution?!

My solution for what?

For Wallace making himself a distraction rather than a leader?  Yes.
Wallace saying all this is far from a distraction. It can only irritate and motivate the rest of the team to go out and make him quiet by doing everything that he criticizes them for.

Doc called out the team tons of times over the years. What happened? Oh I remember! The domination in the next game, because the team was motivated to prove Doc's criticism wrong. They didn't get "distracted."

Nor did Rondo. He wasn't distracted when the media questioned his effort over the regular season and whether he will be traded. Instead, he got motivated to prove the critics wrong and destroyed the "Linsanity" hype surrounding the game against the Knicks at that time. He went out and set a historic triple-double performance (18 points, 20 assists, 17 rebounds).

The fact that Wallace's criticism doesn't affect the players in any whatsoever just indicates that the team consists of a bunch of losers who are pretty much useless. Actually, I should say that the team consists of a bunch of losers who just don't have a heart of a champion.

Everything is right about Wallace's criticism. The fact that the rest of the players have yet to do anything about what Wallace said that Wallace is completely right.

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2013, 10:58:59 AM »

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It's time for him to shut up.

This is your solution?!


My solution for what?

For Wallace making himself a distraction rather than a leader?  Yes.

Maybe he is right and something wrong inside the team( maybe this coach can not manage the team)...Telling to shut up does not mean anything...

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2013, 10:59:09 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.

I've read the entire article and I still think that every question doesn't deserve a deep and in depth answer. The media has found a go to guy for quotes. They're going to keep going to him because of it.

Right, and wouldn't you?

It's nearly impossible to write a good story from a bad interview--unless the "bad" part becomes the story, ala "both teams played hard."
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2013, 11:00:51 AM »

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It's time for him to shut up.

This is your solution?!

My solution for what?

For Wallace making himself a distraction rather than a leader?  Yes.
Wallace saying all this is far from a distraction. It can only irritate and motivate the rest of the team to go out and make him quiet by doing everything that he criticizes them for.

Doc called out the team tons of times over the years. What happened? Oh I remember! The domination in the next game, because the team was motivated to prove Doc's criticism wrong. They didn't get "distracted."

Nor did Rondo. He wasn't distracted when the media questioned his effort over the regular season and whether he will be traded. Instead, he got motivated to prove the critics wrong and destroyed the "Linsanity" hype surrounding the game against the Knicks at that time. He went out and set a historic triple-double performance (18 points, 20 assists, 17 rebounds).

The fact that Wallace's criticism doesn't affect the players in any whatsoever just indicates that the team consists of a bunch of losers who are pretty much useless. Actually, I should say that the team consists of a bunch of losers who just don't have a heart of a champion.

Everything is right about Wallace's criticism. The fact that the rest of the players have yet to do anything about what Wallace said that Wallace is completely right.

The thing you are entirely missing is coach's calling out their team is way different than a player, especially when a player isn't contributing to wins, calling out the team and excluding himself.

When do you see anyone you'd consider a good leader around the league do this?  You hardly see anyone do this anyways in any sport.  It just isn't good leadership

Talk about "useless"... that's Wallace on the court.  He has been useless.
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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2013, 11:01:37 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.
Writers love guys like Wallace.

Well of course. If I was the Globe's hoops guy, I'd be chatting him up as often as possible, especially if I was trying to generate traffic to my story in spite of and (in light of) the C's colder than cold start. Ask the 2000 Patriots--the general public doesn't care about a losing team.
Right, so the lede is going to protect Wallace. As will future reports based on his "not complaining".

Exactly. But I still don't believe that "complaining" really covers the facets.

People are always pining for a look inside the locker room. We should be happy there's a guy who's willing to talk about it.
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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2013, 11:03:39 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.

I've read the entire article and I still think that every question doesn't deserve a deep and in depth answer. The media has found a go to guy for quotes. They're going to keep going to him because of it.

Right, and wouldn't you?

It's nearly impossible to write a good story from a bad interview--unless the "bad" part becomes the story, ala "both teams played hard."

If I was a writer, I'd most certainly would go to him. He'd be the 1st person I talked too. That's why I'm saying the excuse of "he's only answering the question" won't work because he's going to be asked those questions after EVERY GAME..lol.

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2013, 11:04:55 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.

I've read the entire article and I still think that every question doesn't deserve a deep and in depth answer. The media has found a go to guy for quotes. They're going to keep going to him because of it.

Right, and wouldn't you?

It's nearly impossible to write a good story from a bad interview--unless the "bad" part becomes the story, ala "both teams played hard."

If I was a writer, I'd most certainly would go to him. He'd be the 1st person I talked too. That's why I'm saying the excuse of "he's only answering the question" won't work because he's going to be asked those questions after EVERY GAME..lol.

Fair.

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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2013, 11:05:25 AM »

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Gerald Wallace is absolute garbage and a pathetic teammate...sick of hearing how"hard" he plays..."crash".....and burn with this out of control bum of a basketball player

Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2013, 11:06:08 AM »

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If he's going to call out the team just use more "we" statements instead of starting off with the %1000 effort you give. That way it's more inclusive.

He's a hustle guy and I like that, but eventually I want to see some production to go with that hustle. This team is starving for points.

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2013, 11:06:37 AM »

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Since the lede from that article is missing from the original post, I'm guessing most people haven't looked at it.

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Gerald Wallace isn’t complaining. He isn’t offering a tale of woe. Let’s get that part straight.

The NBA veteran is simply admitting the obvious in response to direct questions and looking for ways to make things better in what is now a very trying and fluid situation with a Celtics team in makeover mode.

I've read the entire article and I still think that every question doesn't deserve a deep and in depth answer. The media has found a go to guy for quotes. They're going to keep going to him because of it.

Right, and wouldn't you?

It's nearly impossible to write a good story from a bad interview--unless the "bad" part becomes the story, ala "both teams played hard."

If I was a writer, I'd most certainly would go to him. He'd be the 1st person I talked too. That's why I'm saying the excuse of "he's only answering the question" won't work because he's going to be asked those questions after EVERY GAME..lol.

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Re: Wallace sounds off again. Does he have a point?
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2013, 11:08:29 AM »

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I wonder how all the Rondo-haters will react if Wallace calls out Rondo for taking plays off.
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