Proof we are Tanking

[wdleehi]

The Celtics have three young big to develop.




Bass has a contract that can be tradeable if he plays well and a team thinks he can help them win now.



Humphries play will never be good enough for a team to take on that money.  His trade value is locked up in the expiration date of his deal.



And at this point, the date may be more valuable then the return in a trade.  I think eventual buy out for a guy sick of sitting on the bench in a contact year.

[D.o.s.]

besides the cool photo shopping
i dont see the proof

when rondo is 100% we wil be good
we lack leadership

It will be years before we have a championship team but we all should know that by know. We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre. Any rationality , perspective and objectivity should lead you to that conclusion.

  So you're saying that since leadership wasn't a problem last year it can't be a problem this year? That sounds rational and objective.

never said that at all. Where did I say it could not be a problem this year? IS that how you really comprehended the statement I made? LOL

  So what was the point of saying "We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre"? Was it somehow unrelated to his comment about leadership? It just popped into your head so you typed it, even though you didn't think it had anything to do with the discussion?

99.9% sure that he's saying that leadership is/could be a problem this year, but even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team.

[BballTim]

besides the cool photo shopping
i dont see the proof

when rondo is 100% we wil be good
we lack leadership

It will be years before we have a championship team but we all should know that by know. We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre. Any rationality , perspective and objectivity should lead you to that conclusion.

  So you're saying that since leadership wasn't a problem last year it can't be a problem this year? That sounds rational and objective.

never said that at all. Where did I say it could not be a problem this year? IS that how you really comprehended the statement I made? LOL

  So what was the point of saying "We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre"? Was it somehow unrelated to his comment about leadership? It just popped into your head so you typed it, even though you didn't think it had anything to do with the discussion?

99.9% sure that he's saying that leadership is/could be a problem this year, but even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team.

  It's easy enough to see where he says even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team, he states the same in his post. You're assuming that his statement wasn't at all meant to bolster or refute the comment that he was responding to, I assumed the two were somewhat related. My mistake.

[D.o.s.]

 

I think Leperchaun and I are reading Thumper's post as "all we are lacking is leadership," based on the statement that "when Rondo's 100% we'll be good. We lack leadership."

[ddb]

See through the madness for a moment and it will soon make sense.  This is what Ainge is doing...

-He wants to trade at least 2 of the Bass/Lee/Wallace contracts.  In exchange he's looking for expirings and hopefully a pick or 2.  Even 2nd rounders. 

What we all  need to understand is that trades do not happen over night.  So what Ainge is doing is showcasing those players. Meanwhile, players across the league will start going down with injuries.  Example #1 is Tyson Chandler going down last night for 4-6 weeks.

Ainge doesn't need to showcase Hump right now because he doesn't have any intentions of moving Hump right now. And teams will take Hump back either way because he's an expiring contract and useful player.  So Hump doesn't need to play up his value the same way Bass/Lee and Wallace do.   

Priority 1 is sending Bass/Lee and hopefully Wallace (although I suspect Wallace is stuck here unless they waive him or take back a bad contract)

-Priority 2 is developing young players while losing games. you want to compete, but lose.  If that makes sense.  this team is built to compete and then lose in the 4th quarter.  That's what happens when you don't have a PG, shooters or a guy who can create and make big shots. 

So have patience.  Bass/Lee/Wallace need to go.  At least 2 of them.  Ainge wants to get a better handle on the cap situation. 

Hump is a big time trade chip.  So you keep him and wait for a potential blockbuster at the deadline OR if a team with injuries comes calling you can get a 1st round pick, filler and young player in exchange for Hump believe it or not.  He has value.

[TwinTower14]

Funny, thought I would pass this along this post from a UNC Message board / Bobcats fan that is bitter that Wiggins choose Kansas over UNC....A little peak into what other fan bases think of this C's team....

Celts will get the #1 pick and Wiggins. Bank on it.

[Moranis]

besides the cool photo shopping
i dont see the proof

when rondo is 100% we wil be good
we lack leadership

It will be years before we have a championship team but we all should know that by know. We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre. Any rationality , perspective and objectivity should lead you to that conclusion.

  So you're saying that since leadership wasn't a problem last year it can't be a problem this year? That sounds rational and objective.

never said that at all. Where did I say it could not be a problem this year? IS that how you really comprehended the statement I made? LOL

  So what was the point of saying "We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre"? Was it somehow unrelated to his comment about leadership? It just popped into your head so you typed it, even though you didn't think it had anything to do with the discussion?

99.9% sure that he's saying that leadership is/could be a problem this year, but even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team.

  It's easy enough to see where he says even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team, he states the same in his post. You're assuming that his statement wasn't at all meant to bolster or refute the comment that he was responding to, I assumed the two were somewhat related. My mistake.

the post he was responding said we lack leadership and once Rondo is back we will be good.  He was saying last year we had plenty of leadership and weren't good, thus implying that a lack of leadership isn't the problem (and I gather though it isn't clear that he mentioned KG and PP to show the loss of talent along with the loss of leadership, which is the real problem on the team i.e. just not enough talent).  I don't see how you can't put two and two together.  It isn't that difficult.

[Moranis]

The Celtics have three young big to develop.




Bass has a contract that can be tradeable if he plays well and a team thinks he can help them win now.



Humphries play will never be good enough for a team to take on that money.  His trade value is locked up in the expiration date of his deal.



And at this point, the date may be more valuable then the return in a trade.  I think eventual buy out for a guy sick of sitting on the bench in a contact year.

I disagree on Humphries.  Sure Humphries has value as salary, but if you build him up he can also have a lot of value for a team that is in the playoffs, but who also wants to keep salary flexibility this summer.  A team like Cleveland, for example, might find a lot of value in a guy like Humphries if he shows he can help a team.  If he plays really well Boston might even be able to land a first or some young player with at least decent potential rather than just some junk some other team wants to get rid of.

[BballTim]

besides the cool photo shopping
i dont see the proof

when rondo is 100% we wil be good
we lack leadership

It will be years before we have a championship team but we all should know that by know. We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre. Any rationality , perspective and objectivity should lead you to that conclusion.

  So you're saying that since leadership wasn't a problem last year it can't be a problem this year? That sounds rational and objective.

never said that at all. Where did I say it could not be a problem this year? IS that how you really comprehended the statement I made? LOL

  So what was the point of saying "We had plenty leadership last year and we were mediocre"? Was it somehow unrelated to his comment about leadership? It just popped into your head so you typed it, even though you didn't think it had anything to do with the discussion?

99.9% sure that he's saying that leadership is/could be a problem this year, but even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team.

  It's easy enough to see where he says even when it wasn't (last year), we were still a mediocre basketball team, he states the same in his post. You're assuming that his statement wasn't at all meant to bolster or refute the comment that he was responding to, I assumed the two were somewhat related. My mistake.

the post he was responding said we lack leadership and once Rondo is back we will be good.  He was saying last year we had plenty of leadership and weren't good, thus implying that a lack of leadership isn't the problem (and I gather though it isn't clear that he mentioned KG and PP to show the loss of talent along with the loss of leadership, which is the real problem on the team i.e. just not enough talent).  I don't see how you can't put two and two together.  It isn't that difficult.

  No, it isn't that difficult. When I said that he was claiming that leadership wasn't the problem last year so it isn't this year and you said that he didn't imply that at all. Now you're saying "last year we had plenty of leadership and weren't good, thus implying that a lack of leadership isn't the problem". Coming around to the other side of the argument doesn't look like it was hard for you at all.

[D.o.s.]

I think Leperchaun and I are reading Thumper's post as "all we are lacking is leadership," based on the statement that "when Rondo's 100% we'll be good. We lack leadership."

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[aporel#18]

See through the madness for a moment and it will soon make sense.  This is what Ainge is doing...

-He wants to trade at least 2 of the Bass/Lee/Wallace contracts.  In exchange he's looking for expirings and hopefully a pick or 2.  Even 2nd rounders. 

What we all  need to understand is that trades do not happen over night.  So what Ainge is doing is showcasing those players. Meanwhile, players across the league will start going down with injuries.  Example #1 is Tyson Chandler going down last night for 4-6 weeks.

Ainge doesn't need to showcase Hump right now because he doesn't have any intentions of moving Hump right now. And teams will take Hump back either way because he's an expiring contract and useful player.  So Hump doesn't need to play up his value the same way Bass/Lee and Wallace do.   

Priority 1 is sending Bass/Lee and hopefully Wallace (although I suspect Wallace is stuck here unless they waive him or take back a bad contract)

-Priority 2 is developing young players while losing games. you want to compete, but lose.  If that makes sense.  this team is built to compete and then lose in the 4th quarter.  That's what happens when you don't have a PG, shooters or a guy who can create and make big shots. 

So have patience.  Bass/Lee/Wallace need to go.  At least 2 of them.  Ainge wants to get a better handle on the cap situation. 

Hump is a big time trade chip.  So you keep him and wait for a potential blockbuster at the deadline OR if a team with injuries comes calling you can get a 1st round pick, filler and young player in exchange for Hump believe it or not.  He has value.

agree almost completely. TP for the reasoning.

I don't think Wallace can be traded this year without giving assets/taking on worse contracts, not likely he's traded this season. Maybe next, maybe in his last year.

Bass, Lee, Bogans and Humphries will be traded this year. Brandon and Courtney are playing for showcase reasons, while Keith and Kris have value as expiring contracts (anyway, they need to play to show other GMs they're still in good shape and able to help). So we basically are right on schedule in that department.

I don't think Danny will only take on expiring contracts, it would be smart to take on 2-year contracts to maximize return. Those 2-year contracts will be useful in the 2015 trade deadline, allowing the Cs to trade for soon-to-be free agents, while giving us another first round pick. Chicago and OKC are owed protected picks that could help in the future when they become unprotected. 

Ideally, a good player on a playoff team is out for the season with a non career threatening injury. Then the Cs could send our vets there to get damaged goods and a first round pick or maybe more. If Andrew Bynum, Amare, Perk or Boozer weren't able to help their team this year and their team wants to win now, they could be targets, and later they could help us to get LaMarcus Aldridge and/or Marc Gasol.

We're tanking, we're developing the kids and we're showcasing Bass, Lee and Crawesome. In the end it all will make sense.

[BballTim]

I think Leperchaun and I are reading Thumper's post as "all we are lacking is leadership," based on the statement that "when Rondo's 100% we'll be good. We lack leadership."

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  I would hope that you read Thumper's post to at least mean "all we are lacking is leadership *and Rondo on the court*". In any case, I'm being accused of making assumptions about what a poster meant by people who are also making assumptions about what posters meant. Go figure.

[D.o.s.]

I think Leperchaun and I are reading Thumper's post as "all we are lacking is leadership," based on the statement that "when Rondo's 100% we'll be good. We lack leadership."

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  I would hope that you read Thumper's post to at least mean "all we are lacking is leadership *and Rondo on the court*". In any case, I'm being accused of making assumptions about what a poster meant by people who are also making assumptions about what posters meant. Go figure.

The Rondo part wasn't the part in question--we all agree on that.

[BballTim]

I think Leperchaun and I are reading Thumper's post as "all we are lacking is leadership," based on the statement that "when Rondo's 100% we'll be good. We lack leadership."

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  I would hope that you read Thumper's post to at least mean "all we are lacking is leadership *and Rondo on the court*". In any case, I'm being accused of making assumptions about what a poster meant by people who are also making assumptions about what posters meant. Go figure.

The Rondo part wasn't the part in question--we all agree on that.

  I was just being snarky on that one.

[D.o.s.]

Duly noted.