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Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« on: November 04, 2013, 09:38:19 AM »

Offline chenaren

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 09:48:42 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given.  He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 10:13:11 AM »

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.
He's a shooting guard... who can't shoot or finish. And who seems progressively unable to make a simple lateral pass without turning the ball over. I hope people can soon accept this fact.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 10:21:23 AM »

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.
He's a shooting guard... who can't shoot or finish. And who seems progressively unable to make a simple lateral pass without turning the ball over. I hope people can soon accept this fact.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 10:31:21 AM »

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.
He's a shooting guard... who can't shoot or finish. And who seems progressively unable to make a simple lateral pass without turning the ball over. I hope people can soon accept this fact.
He's a combo guard that is best guarding PGs and being a catch and shoot SG or a slashing back cut SG on offense.

His inefficiency last season and this season has been due to trying to fill a role he doesn't have the skills to play well at this level of competition.

He is not a floor general/facilitator.
He is not a create his own shot offensive player.
He is not a very good passer.
He is not a great ball handler.

But he can guard PGs better than maybe anyone in the league.
If set up properly by a real PG he can hit his 15-20 foot shot consistently in a catch and shoot situation.
He has the potential to be a very good three point shooter from the corners.
He plays the back cut and sideline cut tremendously and with good passers would be very useful with plays designed for that.

But he isn't a starting PG and probably not a starting SG. An off the bench, combo guard role that gets a bunch of minutes is probably his best role.Unfortunately given the current roster makeup of this team, with Rondo out, he can't play that role.

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2013, 10:41:19 AM »

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Crawford or Pressey should be handling the ball...I want Bradley to be comfortable in what he does best -

defending and cutting to the basket

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2013, 10:45:55 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given. He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster.

We have a point guard on the active roster, give him a shot. Listen to Brad Stevens talk about Phil Pressey:

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“I think at times that we’ve played our best basketball with him on the floor,”

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He’s a young guy. But he comes in every day. I said this at the start: The guy works at his game. He wants to be good. It’s not an accident that he’s here.”

Give the kid a shot.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/10/phil_pressey_-_with_confidence.html

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2013, 10:50:08 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given. He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster.

We have a point guard on the active roster, give him a shot. Listen to Brad Stevens talk about Phil Pressey:

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“I think at times that we’ve played our best basketball with him on the floor,”

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He’s a young guy. But he comes in every day. I said this at the start: The guy works at his game. He wants to be good. It’s not an accident that he’s here.”

Give the kid a shot.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/10/phil_pressey_-_with_confidence.html

True, Phil's a "true point guard" and I'm super happy for him that he made the team, but I did qualify it with "NBA starting caliber"  which I don't think Phil is right now.  I don't think he's even rotation caliber yet.  Obviously, neither does coach Stevens, and I'm sure he has a little more first-hand information than either of us. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2013, 10:56:58 AM »

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Bradley is playing himself out of a nice contract. He lit the world on fire as a 2 way player a couple years ago for about a month, and hasn't been the same since. At this point I wouldn't extend him for more than 5 million per year, and that would be based on him improving at least a little more in team defense, shooting, and passing. As is, 5 million might be a bit high for a man to man defensive specialist.

In this lottery bound year, while rondo is out, Stevens might as well keep playing him at point just to see if he can get better.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2013, 11:03:33 AM »

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.
He's a shooting guard... who can't shoot or finish. And who seems progressively unable to make a simple lateral pass without turning the ball over. I hope people can soon accept this fact.

Finally some smarts. Avery Bradley's biggest asset to the Celtics would be to play for another team.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2013, 11:07:02 AM »

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Avery Bradley simply doesn't have the point guard instinct (see Rondo). He's a shooting guard who has great hustle to make up his lack of size more or less. I hope coach Stevens can soon accept this fact.
He's a shooting guard... who can't shoot or finish. And who seems progressively unable to make a simple lateral pass without turning the ball over. I hope people can soon accept this fact.

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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2013, 11:07:15 AM »

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I think Avery's legacy , will be a ENERGY defensive stopper off the bench,  special role player to help change the game at critical moment .  Hopefully he can be more Jason Terry like and have a deadly jumper to,add to his game.

But as a starter,  he lacks the ability to initiate the play, slow to get the half court offense going,  very poor finisher ,  he misses tons of easy plays .
 
He lacks uncle drews ability to and craftiness to create and handle the the ball under extreme pressure and double teams.

He is totally out of position at starting guard .  He is fun to,watch at times , but frustrating. Seeing him trying to do Rondo type plays and run the offense.

I glade DA didn't sign him to a huge contract,  I think with all our picks over the next three years , we should be able to, land an overall better couple guards .

I think, right now they're just seeing wAHT they have evaluating the players for future trades and moves .


Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2013, 11:07:16 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given. He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster.

We have a point guard on the active roster, give him a shot. Listen to Brad Stevens talk about Phil Pressey:

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“I think at times that we’ve played our best basketball with him on the floor,”

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He’s a young guy. But he comes in every day. I said this at the start: The guy works at his game. He wants to be good. It’s not an accident that he’s here.”

Give the kid a shot.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/10/phil_pressey_-_with_confidence.html

True, Phil's a "true point guard" and I'm super happy for him that he made the team, but I did qualify it with "NBA starting caliber"  which I don't think Phil is right now.  I don't think he's even rotation caliber yet.  Obviously, neither does coach Stevens, and I'm sure he has a little more first-hand information than either of us.

What's clear is that AB isn't an NBA caliber point guard. Call me naive, but I'm going to take Stevens at this word when he says we've played "our best basketball" with Pressey on the floor. Do you think Pressey is a better distributor/floor general than Bradley. Yes or no?

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2013, 11:08:58 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given. He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster.

We have a point guard on the active roster, give him a shot. Listen to Brad Stevens talk about Phil Pressey:

Quote
“I think at times that we’ve played our best basketball with him on the floor,”

Quote
He’s a young guy. But he comes in every day. I said this at the start: The guy works at his game. He wants to be good. It’s not an accident that he’s here.”

Give the kid a shot.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/10/phil_pressey_-_with_confidence.html

True, Phil's a "true point guard" and I'm super happy for him that he made the team, but I did qualify it with "NBA starting caliber"  which I don't think Phil is right now.  I don't think he's even rotation caliber yet.  Obviously, neither does coach Stevens, and I'm sure he has a little more first-hand information than either of us.

What's clear is that AB isn't an NBA caliber point guard. Call me naive, but I'm going to take Stevens at this word when he says we've played "our best basketball" with Pressey on the floor. Do you think Pressey is a better distributor/floor general than Bradley. Yes or no?

Yes. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 11:13:19 AM »

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I'm fairly sure that Stevens realizes this, but he can only work with what he's given. He can't magically make a "true point guard" appear when he doesn't have a healthy, NBA starting caliber one on his roster.

We have a point guard on the active roster, give him a shot. Listen to Brad Stevens talk about Phil Pressey:

Quote
“I think at times that we’ve played our best basketball with him on the floor,”

Quote
He’s a young guy. But he comes in every day. I said this at the start: The guy works at his game. He wants to be good. It’s not an accident that he’s here.”

Give the kid a shot.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/10/phil_pressey_-_with_confidence.html

True, Phil's a "true point guard" and I'm super happy for him that he made the team, but I did qualify it with "NBA starting caliber"  which I don't think Phil is right now.  I don't think he's even rotation caliber yet.  Obviously, neither does coach Stevens, and I'm sure he has a little more first-hand information than either of us.

What's clear is that AB isn't an NBA caliber point guard. Call me naive, but I'm going to take Stevens at this word when he says we've played "our best basketball" with Pressey on the floor. Do you think Pressey is a better distributor/floor general than Bradley. Yes or no?

Yes.

Great, so Stevens has been "given" a true point guard who we all seem to agree is a better passer/floor general than the incumbent. What's the argument against playing him again?