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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2013, 04:04:50 AM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #106 on: November 04, 2013, 04:23:59 AM »

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What's going to be fun is when Rondo finally returns in January and the C's put all the pieces they have together to flip the switch and try to win like crazy--at least for a while.

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #107 on: November 04, 2013, 07:01:44 AM »

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I need to see more from Stevens, only 3 games but I'm not seeing a good flow to offense, rotations make docs look sensible.
Last night no humphries at all against detroits big fellas?  Fav and Green sitting extended minutes.  Team looked dysfunctional  :-\

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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #108 on: November 04, 2013, 07:18:30 AM »

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I need to see more from Stevens, only 3 games but I'm not seeing a good flow to offense, rotations make docs look sensible.

There is NO way that this team could have any kind of offensive flow.  The guys that are playing right now . . . no true point guard . . . very little outside shooting to speak of . . . it's a horror show out there.  Only the offensive rebounding keeps this team from being outright terrible on the offensive end.

Judging Stevens based on this roster is like judging a chef's ability to cook gourmet food when all he has at his disposal is ketchup, water, ramen noodles, and a banana.*

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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #109 on: November 04, 2013, 07:49:24 AM »

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I need to see more from Stevens, only 3 games but I'm not seeing a good flow to offense, rotations make docs look sensible.

There is NO way that this team could have any kind of offensive flow.  The guys that are playing right now . . . no true point guard . . . very little outside shooting to speak of . . . it's a horror show out there.  Only the offensive rebounding keeps this team from being outright terrible on the offensive end.

Judging Stevens based on this roster is like judging a chef's ability to cook gourmet food when all he has at his disposal is ketchup, water, ramen noodles, and a banana.*

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that is true and he might be tweeking lineups and seeing what he has for players
pressey makes the team run better, i see that in brief time, green and fav are our best players
i'm not looking to fire stevens, ainge or trade the roster but it doesn't seem like there is much going on offensively, we don't have many/any good outside shooters, can't we run an inside out game with fav, post green, rebound and run?

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #110 on: November 04, 2013, 08:08:04 AM »

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Nope. "We" are really being silly.

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #111 on: November 04, 2013, 09:08:01 AM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model. 

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #112 on: November 04, 2013, 09:15:17 AM »

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The most annoying part of this is every time someone plays over someone else or anything someone's going to say "Wow, tank job!"

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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #113 on: November 04, 2013, 12:54:27 PM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model.
there was a stretch where Mark Blount was getting major minutes over Al Jefferson/Perk despite the fact those guys should have been getting a lot more minutes.  It was to showcase Blount for a trade imo.

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #114 on: November 04, 2013, 01:08:47 PM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model.
there was a stretch where Mark Blount was getting major minutes over Al Jefferson/Perk despite the fact those guys should have been getting a lot more minutes.  It was to showcase Blount for a trade imo.

Blount couldn't have got out of town fast enough.

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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #115 on: November 04, 2013, 01:42:13 PM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model.
there was a stretch where Mark Blount was getting major minutes over Al Jefferson/Perk despite the fact those guys should have been getting a lot more minutes.  It was to showcase Blount for a trade imo.

I don’t know man, I usually agree with you, but I think you’re grasping at straws with that.  You’re talking about two very raw 21 year olds playing for Doc Rivers in a team that was trying to make the playoffs.  Is playing a somewhat consistent and solid and experienced center that unbelievable, especially compared to not playing 2 inconsistent and still raw guys who were both averaging about 5.5 fouls per 36?   Al Jefferson actually played fewer minutes after the trade, and Perk played more minutes in the 10 games before the trade, then all the games after, and only saw a small increase in minutes overall (if you exclude the first 10 games when he barely played, unless that’s when you think Blount was being showcased).

I really don't think there was any Blount showcasing going on.

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Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #116 on: November 04, 2013, 02:00:03 PM »

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I just hope the balls are lucky for us this time and we got the number 1 or 2 pick! With Wiggins, Parker, Randle or maybe Exum we could have a great great player for the future. Obviously Wiggins or Parker would be fantastic.

And at the moment I don't see much teams worse than us so Boston ending up with record rank 28/29 or 30 could be good possibility which gives us a shot on one of those top picks.

I kind of just hope that Rondo will sit out until all star break and then comes back, It really hurts to lose and play this bad but there is no other posibility if we want to be good again.

With Rondo / Top 3 pick / Top FA?! / Green / Sullinger / Olynyk and then some other players we could be a very descent playoff team again. I still hope we somehow can get Love.

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #117 on: November 04, 2013, 03:05:59 PM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model.
there was a stretch where Mark Blount was getting major minutes over Al Jefferson/Perk despite the fact those guys should have been getting a lot more minutes.  It was to showcase Blount for a trade imo.

I don’t know man, I usually agree with you, but I think you’re grasping at straws with that.  You’re talking about two very raw 21 year olds playing for Doc Rivers in a team that was trying to make the playoffs.  Is playing a somewhat consistent and solid and experienced center that unbelievable, especially compared to not playing 2 inconsistent and still raw guys who were both averaging about 5.5 fouls per 36?   Al Jefferson actually played fewer minutes after the trade, and Perk played more minutes in the 10 games before the trade, then all the games after, and only saw a small increase in minutes overall (if you exclude the first 10 games when he barely played, unless that’s when you think Blount was being showcased).

I really don't think there was any Blount showcasing going on.
It was like 8 years ago so the details are a little fuzzy, but I specifically remember Boston showcasing Blount. 

We won 33 games.  The team kind of stunk. Blount was one of the crappiest starting centers in the league.  He couldn't get a rebound to save his life.  He had gotten a fat contract a couple years prior, because he was averaging 10 points, 7 boards and a block on a contract year.  Now two years later, the dude was averaging 4 rebounds and ticking off most of the fanbase who wanted him GONE.  Meanwhile, we had Perk averaging 6 boards and 1.5 blocks in 19 minutes and Big Al averaging 8 points, 5 rebounds per 18 minutes.  There was a lot of outrage about not playing them enough minutes. 

It seemed the only reason Blount was getting minutes was because his contract was dog crap and we were trying to showcase him.  I remember arguing this point over and over AS IT WAS HAPPENING.  "Calm down guys... it's clear to me Doc is being forced to play Blount minutes.  He doesn't hate the young kids.  Danny clearly is telling him to showcase Blount."... I was saying this AS IT WAS HAPPENING.  We had given Mark Blount 6 years and 41 million dollars.  He was 30 years old, tragically underpeforming and had another 30 million dollars left to be paid to him.   Most fans felt we should have buried Blount on the bench and given minutes to the young guys who actually gave a crap.  If we had benched him at that point, there's no way a team would have traded for him.  Luckily, since we kept feeding the bum minutes, he performed enough that we were able to ship him out mid-season to the Timberwolves.

This Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass situation remminds me of that.  They both have millions of dollars on their deal.  The team sucks.  It makes more sense to develop the young guys... but we gotta keep feeding them minutes if we ever hope to sucker some team into trading for them.   I stand by it. 

Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #118 on: November 04, 2013, 03:14:04 PM »

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No....we are rebuilding the team.......as we are not the Laker and can just let stars walk in ,  we need new talent that might allow the Celtics to rise to the top again one day.

I think we can get some exciting new players and make a run in under four years.



Re: We really are tanking
« Reply #119 on: November 04, 2013, 03:16:42 PM »

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I'm a big believer that Ainge tanked the season 4 months ago by trading away Pierce and KG.  The coach and players don't need to intentionally throw the games.  We're already set up to fail.  Lack of talent will take care of the job for them.

That said... benching our best scorer for an entire 4th quarter and playing him a mere 20 minutes is about as blatantly "tanky" as it gets.  Also surprised Fav didn't get more than 19 minutes... he seemed pretty effective. 

It doesn't bother me.  I'm sure some fans will make excuses.  But it's hard not to see that as a tank job. 

Meanwhile, Wallace and Bass both get 36 minutes... not a surprise considering we're desperate to trade those bums.

Danny's MO pre-KG was definitely to have some guys showcased for trades, while young keepers were sometimes developed around the edges.

Really, like who?  I can't remember Ainge flipping guys who were seemingly made to look useful via "showcasing."  His philosophy before KG (well, actually including KG) were more about hitting home runs to speed up the time table.  Ricky, Gerald Green, trading out of the 2006 draft because he didn't think any of the prospects were special--they all fit that model.
there was a stretch where Mark Blount was getting major minutes over Al Jefferson/Perk despite the fact those guys should have been getting a lot more minutes.  It was to showcase Blount for a trade imo.

I don’t know man, I usually agree with you, but I think you’re grasping at straws with that.  You’re talking about two very raw 21 year olds playing for Doc Rivers in a team that was trying to make the playoffs.  Is playing a somewhat consistent and solid and experienced center that unbelievable, especially compared to not playing 2 inconsistent and still raw guys who were both averaging about 5.5 fouls per 36?   Al Jefferson actually played fewer minutes after the trade, and Perk played more minutes in the 10 games before the trade, then all the games after, and only saw a small increase in minutes overall (if you exclude the first 10 games when he barely played, unless that’s when you think Blount was being showcased).

I really don't think there was any Blount showcasing going on.
It was like 8 years ago so the details are a little fuzzy, but I specifically remember Boston showcasing Blount. 

We won 33 games.  The team kind of stunk. Blount was one of the crappiest starting centers in the league.  He couldn't get a rebound to save his life.  He had gotten a fat contract a couple years prior, because he was averaging 10 points, 7 boards and a block on a contract year.  Now two years later, the dude was averaging 4 rebounds and ticking off most of the fanbase who wanted him GONE.  Meanwhile, we had Perk averaging 6 boards and 1.5 blocks in 19 minutes and Big Al averaging 8 points, 5 rebounds per 18 minutes.  There was a lot of outrage about not playing them enough minutes. 

It seemed the only reason Blount was getting minutes was because his contract was dog crap and we were trying to showcase him.  I remember arguing this point over and over AS IT WAS HAPPENING.  "Calm down guys... it's clear to me Doc is being forced to play Blount minutes.  He doesn't hate the young kids.  Danny clearly is telling him to showcase Blount."... I was saying this AS IT WAS HAPPENING.  We had given Mark Blount 6 years and 41 million dollars.  He was 30 years old, tragically underpeforming and had another 30 million dollars left to be paid to him.   Most fans felt we should have buried Blount on the bench and given minutes to the young guys who actually gave a crap.  If we had benched him at that point, there's no way a team would have traded for him.  Luckily, since we kept feeding the bum minutes, he performed enough that we were able to ship him out mid-season to the Timberwolves.

This Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass situation remminds me of that.  They both have millions of dollars on their deal.  The team sucks.  It makes more sense to develop the young guys... but we gotta keep feeding them minutes if we ever hope to sucker some team into trading for them.   I stand by it.
Gotta go with bdm on this one. Blount was getting minutes because, all things considered, he was just better than Big Al and Perk at that time(or at least Perk and as good as Big Al). Those guys were very raw and were clueless when it came to defensive rotations. Perk was next to useless offensively then as well.

Blount was no favorite of Doc's because of his lack of effort and ability to shut it down for no reason, but Doc at least knew what he could expect from Blount when he did decide to show up, and at that time, that was more than Big Al or Perk could give him.