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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2013, 01:18:01 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2013, 01:33:18 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2013, 01:39:49 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

Agreed.  Especially when you consider the fact that their GM is not noted for his great drafting; of the 7 rookies he brought in during 2010 and 2011, maybe only Wall and possibly Seraphin and Booker are going to stick around.  Two are already gone.

Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2013, 01:57:45 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

Agreed.  Especially when you consider the fact that their GM is not noted for his great drafting; of the 7 rookies he brought in during 2010 and 2011, maybe only Wall and possibly Seraphin and Booker are going to stick around.  Two are already gone.

Beal seems like the real deal.  They really need Porter to turn into a decent player, though.
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2013, 03:35:22 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

  That's the great problem to have though. Take one of your young talents and trade him for a couple of veterans to help your younger players win sooner.

Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2013, 03:48:06 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

  That's the great problem to have though. Take one of your young talents and trade him for a couple of veterans to help your younger players win sooner.

That's what they just did, isn't it? They traded their 2014 rookie for Gortat.
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2013, 05:56:50 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

  That's the great problem to have though. Take one of your young talents and trade him for a couple of veterans to help your younger players win sooner.

That's what they just did, isn't it? They traded their 2014 rookie for Gortat.

They made themselves at best a 5-6 seed with this trade, most likely a 7-8 seed. They are not going to contend by trading what could have been a lottery pick in a historically deep draft for an aging, average center. I understand drafting every year with the hope of finding a DWade or Lebron is not the best strategy, but they have a decent set of young guys to build around with Wall and Beal, and possibly Porter, they could have landed a great young big man in the upcoming draft and put themselves in OKCs position, but instead they chose mediocrity.

Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2013, 08:07:00 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

Agreed ....at some point you have to actually TRY and be a winner  play to win.    I 'm sick of seeing he same  stupid  teams in the lottery every year .   Cleveland, Detroit, etc...need to step. Up and play to win  .....after all that's what' it's all about .....playing lose more than a year o r two is a crime .  They owe it oh fans to try o make payoff s in stead of drafting  position every year.

Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2013, 08:09:50 PM »

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Bummer!!

Washington just became much more of a threat to snatch one of the last two playoff spots.

How is that a bummer?  I like John Wall and I want to see him break out and have a Derrick-Rose-in-2009-esque playoff performance.

Because he believes the Celtics can compete for the last spot.

Yes.  Thank you.
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2013, 09:14:18 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

  That's the great problem to have though. Take one of your young talents and trade him for a couple of veterans to help your younger players win sooner.

That's what they just did, isn't it? They traded their 2014 rookie for Gortat.

They made themselves at best a 5-6 seed with this trade, most likely a 7-8 seed. They are not going to contend by trading what could have been a lottery pick in a historically deep draft for an aging, average center. I understand drafting every year with the hope of finding a DWade or Lebron is not the best strategy, but they have a decent set of young guys to build around with Wall and Beal, and possibly Porter, they could have landed a great young big man in the upcoming draft and put themselves in OKCs position, but instead they chose mediocrity.

How is making the playoffs for the first time in how many years a bad thing?  You say this as if they've completely mortgaged their future for an eighth seed ceiling.  They gave away a single pick and considering the top 12 protection, all they're forfeiting is a projected role player, since you're not drafting a LeBron/KD/Duncan/etc. type in the mid-teens.  Role players are a dime-a-dozen; they don't need to draft one, they can just sign one in free agency or trade for one.

One season spent at the eighth seed is nothing to be ashamed of if they make the right moves to improve in the future.  The Rockets were a first-round exit last year and they very well could even make it to the Finals if things go their way this year.  OKC was a first-round exit in 2010 and they made it to the Finals two years later.  The Warriors were an expected first-round exit last year that made it to a competitive semifinals series after upsetting the Nuggets.  Nothing wrong with striving for the playoffs even if they're probably not going far this year.  They have to start somewhere and it's unusual to make a jump from lottery team to title contender over a single year.  It's almost always a gradual process.

Mediocrity for a season is perfectly fine; each year, someone has to be average, just as someone has to be good and someone has to be bad.  Mediocrity as the status quo, a la the Bucks or the Hawks or the Jazz up until this season is what's terrible.
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2013, 09:17:22 PM »

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Bummer!!

Washington just became much more of a threat to snatch one of the last two playoff spots.

How is that a bummer?  I like John Wall and I want to see him break out and have a Derrick-Rose-in-2009-esque playoff performance.

Because he believes the Celtics can compete for the last spot.

Yes.  Thank you.

You're not the only one. I believe the same! Which is why I would've loved to have seen the Celts get Gortat.

Many may disagree and/or bring up this "rebuilding" spiel, but all the Celts had to do was pick up a decent big man and they could've been alot better than people think.

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« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2013, 09:22:22 PM »

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Ainge's concern clearly isn't with being "good" for this season.  He knows this team isn't competitive at the moment; he's thinking long-term.  It's kinda silly to deny that at this point.

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« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2013, 10:19:50 PM »

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Ainge's concern clearly isn't with being "good" for this season.  He knows this team isn't competitive at the moment; he's thinking long-term.  It's kinda silly to deny that at this point.

I agree that Ainge is thinking long term, but that doesn't preclude the Celtics from playing better than expected this season. 
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Re: Washington/Phoenix trade Being reported Gortat, Okafor
« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2013, 10:50:13 PM »

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The Wizards are choosing the wrong year to actually try to make the playoffs. One more year in the lottery and they would have been in much better shape.

I disagree.  I think the Wizards are an example of what happens when a team picks in the lottery many years in a row and ends up with too many young talents to develop.  At some point you need to try to make something of the young core that you have and actually make an effort to win games.

  That's the great problem to have though. Take one of your young talents and trade him for a couple of veterans to help your younger players win sooner.

That's what they just did, isn't it? They traded their 2014 rookie for Gortat.

They made themselves at best a 5-6 seed with this trade, most likely a 7-8 seed. They are not going to contend by trading what could have been a lottery pick in a historically deep draft for an aging, average center. I understand drafting every year with the hope of finding a DWade or Lebron is not the best strategy, but they have a decent set of young guys to build around with Wall and Beal, and possibly Porter, they could have landed a great young big man in the upcoming draft and put themselves in OKCs position, but instead they chose mediocrity.

How is making the playoffs for the first time in how many years a bad thing?  You say this as if they've completely mortgaged their future for an eighth seed ceiling.  They gave away a single pick and considering the top 12 protection, all they're forfeiting is a projected role player, since you're not drafting a LeBron/KD/Duncan/etc. type in the mid-teens.  Role players are a dime-a-dozen; they don't need to draft one, they can just sign one in free agency or trade for one.


That's just not true. The difference is not giving up what you call a role player, it's giving up their best chance at a franchise player or all-star big man to fill out their core of Wall and Beal. You can't view the pick as a mid-teens pick. If they had not made the deal it would very likely be a top 5-8 pick, which in this draft has a high chance of being a great player. Big mistake imo. They stuck themselves into mediocrity, As for signing good free-agents as you imply, what good free agents have ever signed with Washington? Good luck with that.

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« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2013, 10:56:19 PM »

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Ainge's concern clearly isn't with being "good" for this season.  He knows this team isn't competitive at the moment; he's thinking long-term.  It's kinda silly to deny that at this point.

I agree that Ainge is thinking long term, but that doesn't preclude the Celtics from playing better than expected this season.

....and if I can add to this, it's not like the talent in the East (or NBA for that matter) is that deep. Take out Miami, Chicago and Indiana and the rest of the East is anybody's ball game.

Sorry, but I am going to have hard time being convinced that we can't be better than the Knicks, Nets, Cavs, Pistons, Bucks or Hawks if we didn't have a decent center and a decent point guard to play when Rondo is out.